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Canadianxb9sl
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Has anyone used Lucus 75W 90 Synthetic gear oil in thier XB. Just wondering, if so, did you notice any changes with shifting? Or noise? Or finding neutral?
Just about to change to Synthetic motor oil and trans.

Mobil 1 15/50 motor
Lucus 75/90 trans
Fram oil filter

What are your thoughts from experience? My 9 has 8000km on it now...
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wasn't there a pretty major issue with this covered some time back? Something about foaming or something else alarming... Not positive it was Lucas. Search the archives...
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Rr_eater
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fram, I have read here, is a no-no!! I run the wally-world Super-Tech 4967 filter. Same markings, stampings, and construction, both inside and out, as the dealer supplied filter. No warranty issues, just take off the sticker like I do!

No Lucas in the gear box, buddy of mine did that in his M2, foamage majorious, pukous makimus on rearous tireous! His casette later grenaded, even though he had refilled it with factory Syn3 after about 5000 miles of Lucas pain.

I run Mobil 1 15-50 motor,
Mobil 75-90 in the gear box (could probably use 15-50 motor, just have not tried, but heard that here!!)
Wally-World Super-Tech 4967 filter, label removed (and at 2.27 a piece, well, I'm cheap).

My .04 cents

Bruce
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Freyke
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I use Mobil 1 15W-50 in the motor (Wally-world filter too) and the primary... I have over 10K on the bike no problems...
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Me too, I use Mobil1 syn 15-50 and Mobil1 75-90.
Have since 500 miles.
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Ingemar
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is what I found:

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/63740.html

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/59138.html
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Whodom
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fram filters have gotten a bad reputation for the last several years chiefly since they use cardboard end caps for the actual filter element inside the metal housing. Most other filter brands use metal end caps. Read more here:

http://www.twocreeks.net/toby/oil_filters.shtml
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wally-World Super-Tech 4967 filter, label removed

Is a FRAM FILTER! Just like the oil in the Supertech bottles is Quakerstate.
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Fullpower
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

as for me and mine, we shop not at wal-mart.
if i wanted to live cheep i would be riding a 30 year old CB360, shod with cheng-shin communist chinese tires, with a milk crate lashed to back of the duct tape reinforced saddle for packing groceries from walmart. and i would park it under a visqueen and flapping blue tarp leanto attached to my 1961 airstream trailer up on blocks in my brother in laws backyard. but i digress, the original point was to use a good quality oil filter, i recommend the OEM filter, easily obtained at your nearest harley store, for around $6.50 i usually buy several at a time, always nice to have one handy.
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Kowpow225
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ha HA! ha! ha! That's hilarious.
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Starter
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys get filters for $6.50 and are still trying to find alternatives. Try $21 on for size for the H-D one.
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Rr_eater
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Let me see here, so the Super Tech is a fram huh?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I am going to go out on a limb here, build me a tree house in a pine tree in Florida with a hurricane on the way, and say you are in fact wrong Wycked, as atested not only by my eyes, but even by other reputable XB'rs here, and someone beside myself who disected one, JUST to see!
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/20624.html?1041791960

I am not here to start an arguement by anymeans, BUT as long as I serve this country and make less then the average national poverty level income, putting my life on the line for our counties freedom, I will try and save every GOD DAM PENNY this country will allow me.

BUT, MAYBE, your wally world supplier sources their filters from another manufacturer, as has happened in the past, and in fact, in your experience, it was a fram filter. But just a heads-up, fram uses cardboard end caps, plastic retainers, and flimsy sheet metal drain back valve, but this again, is just MY observations.

I am not a lubrication filtering engineering, but I do maintain 48 million dollar jet fighter aircraft, with some of the most scientifically clean filtering systems in the world. But what would I know about quality filters and lubricant cleaning purity............

But to kick a dead horse some more, Canton and Mecca non-bypassing filters are, if you can afford them, the best and truely only way to go for complete and total filtering, just my opinion based on many years of experience with said products....

Sorry to have chimmed in with MY opinions and MY experiences in MY part of the country on MY motorcycle,.....sensing a pattrern here..........

Bruce

P.S. Just a thought to everyone out there, why does so very few of us here use our real names when signing our posts?................

(Message edited by rr_eater on October 26, 2004)
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Whodom
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Before we get too far off topic here, it appears nobody answered his original question about gear oil. He asked about Lucus (sic) 75/90 synthetic gear oil in the transmission. The responses referred to Lucas oil additive.

If he did mean to say "Lucas", has anyone ever seen gear oil made by them?
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Canadianxb9sl
Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry its Lucus gear oil. Not an additive. Is that the gear oil that foams? Or the additive?
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Ingemar
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry for the confusion. I asumed it was a typo.

I never heard of lucus, and the term isn't found on the board either.
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Whodom
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I searched high and low, but can't find any listings for "Lucus" lubricants. I did find Lucas' page and they do make a 75W/90 synthetic gear oil:

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=47&catid=2&loc=show

It does appear it contains the same additives that have caused trouble when added to other lubricants. Since so many people here (me included) have had good luck with Mobil-1 synth gear oil in their Buell transmissions, I'd recommend you stick with that if you can get it.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't use Lucas additives.
Don't use anyone's additives.
Use either dino, dino/syn, or syn.
That's all you need to remember.
If Lucus makes a gear oil that is gear oil and nothing else added to it to make it special, then it may be safe.
~Dave Hare~
P.S. Thank you Bruce for helping keep us free.
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Fullpower
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

bruce thank you for your work. keep the oil clean
dean h ravin said that.
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Wardog3187
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Has anybody bought and used the reusable oil filter offered by American Sport Bike?
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Hogs
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wardog3187 I don`t know if its just me or not...But I wd. never use "reusable oil filter" for the price of filters etc.,and I don`t mind to wrench and do a simple deed like that on my ride..also gets one to check things out in and around that area etc., at the same time..But thats just me :-)
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Dcmortalcoil
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've read somewhere that resuable filters, particularly the ones that use stainless steel mesh, are simply not as good as disposable ones in terms of filtering ability.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BUT, MAYBE, your wally world supplier sources their filters from another manufacturer, as has happened in the past, and in fact, in your experience, it was a fram filter. But just a heads-up, fram uses cardboard end caps, plastic retainers, and flimsy sheet metal drain back valve, but this again, is just MY observations.


Then that is the case because when I took the Supertech filter apart for the second oilchange at 1250 miles (first was done at 750 by me) it was just like a fram with the "cardboard" endcaps (honestly had not looked at the pics of the torn apart filter by Keith/Kieth until now). Since I also worked at Wally World shortly before then and would do the returns with the filters going back to Fram, and since the only other filters I have found for the XB's using 4967 are Fram I think it was a safe bet that Wally world was sourcing its national account from Fram. NOW the question that begs to be asked, how many different suppliers of supertech filters are there? Can I just trust that the supertech I buy will be just like the OEM as has been said previous?
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Gowindward
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How about the K & N oil filter. On my first oil change the H-D dealer did not have the OEM filter in stock. Since I do my own fluid changes I went searching for an aftermarket filter that would fit the XB. Started cross referencing filters and found the K & N filter at the local auto parts store. It seems to be well above average on quality construction.

As for a reusable. I wouldn't want to mess with cleaning up the unit to put it back in service.
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Stealthxb
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gowindward...
Have a part #?
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Gowindward
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

From memory it's CP-1003 It cross references the fram 4967. K & N's web site is not current with the XB's as a Buell application.
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Fullpower
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

out of stock? no oil filter at the HD store? what were they going to use on the next VROD to be serviced?
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Curveswerver
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I use wix oil filters, on my blast and will be using them on my XB. They are of little cost to me. I work for a truck parts distributor. We stock Wix filters. So for lubes I am lucky to have a pretty good quality filter. If anyone needs more information on Wix check out the website www.wixfilters.com, click on filter look up then the motorcycle icon and you will get your part numbers for these filters.

(Message edited by curveswerver on October 28, 2004)
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Gowindward
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The K & N filter p/n is HP-1003 Suffered a little old timers with the memory.
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Gowindward
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes, No filter at the H-D store. Floored me!

I called the same store today asking about some touch up paint for the wheels. Parts guys says they do not stock it, but can get it. Will take a week plus, but first he will have to order an 04' parts catalog with the p/n because he only has the 03' book. Says that will take a week plus for the book so he can get the p/n. The he can order the touch up paint.

Okay, so this fellow is not the sharpest knife in the drawer so I suggest that he could call Buell for the p/n for the paint and order it before he has his "NEW" (now a year old) parts book. He tells me it's almost 5:00 and wouldn't do any good to call. Again I try to give him another customer service tip and point out that it's 4:45 and that's actually 15 minutes until 5:00 and that he could actually still call. GRRRRR!!!!!! So now he is pissy and says okay and takes my number to call me back. Calls back in a couple of minutes and says he couldn't reach anyone and would try tomorrow. I told him I would follow up with him tomorrow. Maybe I need to start out on the phone call with "Hello! I have money in my pocket and would like to spend it with you, are you interested in taking my money today?" Kind of help them make the connection between Customer = dollars not customer = PITA
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Ara
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wix filters use raw cotton batting for a filter element, and it's not an impressive filter medium in the slightest. I use the Mobile 1 equivalent of the Motorcraft FL-300 (the slightly shorter version of the FL-1) with good success. Take ANY other filter and the equivalent Mobil 1 filter and heft them, one in each hand. You'll be impressed, I promise.
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Aldaytona
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gowindward, if you are looking for the Translucent Amber paint for your wheels the part# is M0300.1AAYBR.
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Gowindward
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeap, That's it! Thanks!! Got it ordered
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