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Dcmortalcoil
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 06:38 pm: | 
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Dave,
Be sure to read my new thread on this product and make sure that the bugs (if any mentioned) are fixed before you order them.
Also, you ought to confirm with them whether the TPS can be recalibrated. I ran the software for PC version and can't seem to see how that can be done. The TPS check (pass/fail) does not appear to have any means for recalibrating the TPS. |
Daves
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 09:22 pm: |
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Have you talked to Giamberto?
Dave |
Dcmortalcoil
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 12:39 am: |
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Dave,
Didn't talk to anyone yet since I got mine on Friday late afternoon, and didn't install it until Sat.
I down loaded the latest version (per Sam) - and installed it. The Tach reading is much better but still 2x off. The new version seems much stable though. Hope they get all the bugs out soon. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 02:12 pm: |
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Dave,
Just in case you didn't get my email, the money order is on it's way! |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 04:20 pm: |
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uhhh. will this device reset a tps or not? there is no other reason to obtain one. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 11:02 am: |
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I have a question out to them (what the palm PDA requirements really are, and if the product can currently re-calibrate the TPS). I will post here if I hear anything.
Hogs... I found parts, I think I have you covered. When they answer my questions to make sure the pile of parts I have for you will work (Palm IIIxe, hotsync cradle) I will pack it up and ship it out post haste, if you are still going to get one of these things and are willing to write up a full report! |
Hogs
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 11:40 am: |
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Reepicheep.. Yeah I was just thinking about you while I was updateing myself on this thread. yeah I have no plm. in doing that there, as long as all I have to buy is the unit itself.. Don``t want to buy other accesories that I might need to use yours IF I decided I wanted to use a pc instead.. So keep me posted,YEs lets make sure this unit does what it is suppose to do... Do what I can on my end... no plms... |
Captainplanet
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 12:11 pm: |
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Reep, If you asked the question through their web form on their website, don't expect an answer. I asked the very same question regarding the tps and never got a response. That is precisely why my money is still in my pocket. I would be happy to buy one when someone reputable from this board verifies that it can really reset the TPS. |
Daves
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 12:36 pm: |
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OK, for those of you that ordered the PDA version I need to know how many are PDA and how many are palm?(I didn't even know there was a difference, will someone please explain for me)
Also, I have been emailing back and forth with Technoresearch about the issues people have been having and sounds like all of them will be resolved on the ones that I have taken orders for.
Dave |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 04:06 pm: |
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Palm was the original successfull PDA. It was called the Pilot, then the palm pilot, now Palm Computing platforms. People just call them pilots or palm pilots. They run the Palm OS operating system, a nicely architected PDA development platform.
Microsoft, never one to let a weed grow into a mature competitor, released competing PDA device operating systems, in conjunction with hardware makers (Compaq, Toshiba, Dell, etc). Originally it was called Windows CE, but people justifiably called it Wince, now it's called Pocket PC.
They had a much richer feature set (high resolution color, more expanded storage options, more CPU, better sound, great Microsoft Outlook integration, lots more bells and whistles). They were fantastic products, aside from the fact that they didn't actually work.
The OS was REALLY buggy, the linkage to Outlook would break at the least perterbation, and most importantly the overpowered hardware would consume a battery charge in less then a full days use (maybe ok for a laptop, but for a PDA it makes them just about worthless).
After maybe 5 generations of Microsoft Pocket PC's, they are finally a pretty nice platform. Of course, Palm, who just sat on their lead for like 5 years doing more or less nothing, finally also raised the bar, and the newest palms devices are getting very close to the power of traditional Pocket PC's.
By in large, the Palms are far more usable devices. The overall design was done REALLY well for a PDA interface, kind of a work of genius thing. Microsoft can't or won't understand the distinction between a laptop and a PDA, and still tries to build laptops in PDA form factors. This results in both a really crappy laptop (small screen, awkward input devices, limited capability) and a really crappy PDA (simple things are cumbersome, artificially short battery life, too expensive to carry everywhere, etc).
So anyway, there are two major families of PDA's. Palm Pilots running the Palm OS, and Pocket PC's running the Microsoft Pocket PC OS (or whatever they call it this week).
The Pocket PC field is going to be a mess, every one (AFAIK) has a different connector to get to a serial port (if they even have a serial port). Getting the right cable will probably be expensive and painful if you don't already have one.
Palm has had roughly three connectors. The first was the original connector (now generally called the palm III (palm 3) connector. It can be found on the Pilot 1000, Pilot 5000, Palm III, Palm IIIx, Palm IIIe, Palm IIIxe, TRG Pro, HandEra 330 (amazing unit), etc.
Next was the Palm universal connector. It is on the Palm M130, M150, M500, zire, tungsten (I think), etc. Basically all the newer devices.
There were some abberations as well. Sony produced a few Palm OS devices, but of course, being sony, could not put a standard connector on the bottom, and felt the need to monkey with the operating systems. They may or may not work, getting cables will probably be painful and expensive (possibly more then the unit is worth).
Handspring (a company founded Jeff Hawkins, one of the original genius's behind the Palm OS simple usefullness) run Palm OS, and use their own special connector as well, and I don't think all of them use serial, I believe they require a special piece of hardware to talk serial.
Here are the questions to ask Dave...
What are the memory requirements, minimum Palm OS operating system version, and CPU requirements for the palm compatible device? Will a hotsync cradle work as well as the hotsync cable, and are they sure they mean serial cable and not hotsync cable? I *think* one has two pins reversed from the other.
Somewhere, I have a pile of raw palm III connector blanks with solderable pads on them, and no wire. If I can dig them up, I will share with people wanting on bike monitoring systems.
Will the software be able to recalibrate the TPS value in the ECM? Can you do this without an additional "locket to particular bike" dongle?
If you can get answers to those two questions, we can sort it all out.
Bill "Toooooo Muuuuuchhhh Innnnnfooormation" Kilgallon 
(Message edited by reepicheep on October 05, 2004) |
Josh_
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 04:12 pm: |
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The latest Palms have USB instead of the palm universal.
I have a Palm TungstenT. Very small, very cheap if used/refurbed. ($100 on eBay, $160 refurbed)
Add a Magellan m500 Companion GPS for $60
Add Mapopolis for $99.
voila a speaking re-map-on-the-fly GPS setup that can also surf the Internet, play MP3s, carry spreadsheets and pdf files, play games and securly hold all your financial information.
Oh, and it should work fine with this unit. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 04:50 pm: |
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Delorme StreetAtlas Handheld has finally matured enough to be a good product as well, and would kick ••• on a new high end palm.
The palm universal supported USB and serial at the same time, but unfortunately not all the palms had the serial hardware internally. I don't know which of the "new ones" does what anymore, too many to track. |
Mbsween
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 06:09 pm: |
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I emailed them on the TPS reset, they said the software will do it and they responded within a day.
Well as with anything Buell, it will ber an adventure.
Dave any eta on the product?
(and thanks for the quick turn around on the speedo sensor)
MAtt |
Chainsaw
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 07:28 pm: |
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Reepicheep :
Thanks for the info regarding PDA's. Did you know The Evil Empire (Microsoft) and Palm just announced a partnership regarding software (ActiveSync) for Palm's Treo smartphones? |
Daves
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 02:10 pm: |
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OK, for those of you that ordered PDA versions. I need to know whether you have a PDA(pocket PC) or a Palm?
Chainsaw + Palm M500
24kxb12
Henrik = Palm
Doof = Palm M515
Pete O = Palm OS
Beast, I still need to know what version you need!
Dave
(Message edited by daves on October 07, 2004)
(Message edited by daves on October 07, 2004)
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 03:20 pm: |
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Warning Chainsaw and Doof (and probably the rest of those Palm OS people)... The connectors on the newer palm hotsync cradles / cables fit a USB port, not a serial port.
I believe this doo-dad requires a serial connection. Many (but not all) of the newer palms will still talk serial if you get the right cable (that may set you back $20 to $50 before you are done with shipping), but unless you otherwise had reason to get it, you probably have a USB adapter now, not a serial hotsync cable.
Disclaimer: I don't know for sure what each of the new palms is capable of, and know even less about the new dfi tuner thingy, I am just guessing based on discussion and pictures on the site. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 03:25 pm: |
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Revised question for Dave to ask to clear it up:
What are the memory and CPU requirements for the Palm version of your software? What is the connection between the Palm and your device, palm serial communications cable? Palm serial hotsync cable? Palm USB hotsync cable? Handspring USB Hotsync cable? Do you need an extra dongle per bike in order to do a TPS reset? How much are those?
Sorry to fuss about this, I just want these things to work for people... |
Daves
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 04:28 pm: |
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No fuss at all Reepi, I want them to work for everyone too!
Thanks for asking the questions that I don't have the knowledge to ask myself!
I have emailed your question to Techno and will post the answer as soon as I get it. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 08:29 pm: |
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Got the first answer from them, they indicate that for the Palm device, they want to connect to the serial hotsync cradle or serial hotsync cable, which is good, as that is the one people probably have or can easily get. The serial communications cable (as used for GPS or Modem connections) has two pins swapped (I *think*). So even if he is wrong, and you are willing to do a minor cut and solder, an old cradle can be easily adapted. I have the pinouts (and even some blank connectors).
He indicates you absolutely can recalibrate the TPS. Great news!
I have two more questions for him, what memory and CPU requirements the Palm software has, and if the package requires a "one bike locked down dongle" adapter to do anything. I am pretty sure the answers will not be anything alarming though, so if it were wanting one, I would be confident to go ahead with getting the palm unit.
I will summarize here if I here anything else, as will Dave no doubt. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:06 am: |
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More info here... not all newer Palms support the serial port. Any Palm IIIanything or older unit will support serail. The newer palms (that use the newer connector) may or may not. So I was looking around the palm "open box special" site.
http://store.palmone.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1856382&cp=1179667&parentPa ge=family
Thats a fair deal for the serial hotsync cable if you want to leave your cradle on your desk instead of melting it on your exhaust headers (been there, done that, have the burns to prove it). This page further gives a list of "compatible units". A serial hotsync cable is no good if the device does not support serial ports, so this gives us at least a partial list of newer Palms with serial ports...
* palmOne™ m130 Handheld
* palmOne™ m515 Handheld
* palmOne™ Zire™ 71 Handheld
* palmOne™ Tungsten™ T Handheld
* palmOne™ Tungsten™ T2 Handheld
* palmOne™ Tungsten™ T3 Handheld
* palmOne™ Tungsten™ W Handheld
* palmOne™ Tungsten™ C Handheld
So these devices should all work with the TPS reset dohicky being discussed here. Hope that helps. |
2k4xb12
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 07:38 pm: |
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Dave,
I'm running PalmOS (Tungsten T2)...
Steve. |
Skeenix
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 09:42 pm: |
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What about my Apple Newton... |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:54 am: |
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You are set then 2k4. Might want to snag one of those cables though, so you don't have to drag your cradle around.
You can probably find that cable locally at a computer store as well, it may or may not be cheaper.
Skeenix... your apple newton was fully compatible with the motorcycles of its day, and can fully reprogram the fuel injection maps of any Cyclone or S1, and any other pre '99 Buell. Fire up the note pad, write "I want a 45 slow jet and a 195 fast jet) and show it to the man in the parts department |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:59 am: |
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Skeenix, did you make that pic yourself in your profile?
Would love to have that with XB9R so I print it on a t-shirt ... |
Skeenix
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:15 pm: |
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Uh... yeah I did. I'll email you the photoshop file if you want it. |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:35 pm: |
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I just pinged you Skeenix. |
Odie
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:31 pm: |
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Skeenix, can you do one in a XB12S and a XB12R and email them to me also?? PLEASE!!! Thanks alot...Odie |
2k4xb12
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:59 pm: |
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Reep -- Yep, I already have the serial hotsync cable. Had to get it for the OBD-II diagnostic scan tool that I have for my F-350 diesel... |
Lovematt
| | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:05 am: |
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Skeenix...that race can I sold you looks pretty good...still working good for ya? Nice job on the deleted strainer too...clean work! |
Bcordb3
| | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:03 am: |
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skeenix...Can I ask you to send the photoshop fire of your logo to me, it would be greatly appreciated. |
Skeenix
| | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:14 pm: |
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Lovematt, still like the pipe, and thanks for the compliment. For anyone else who wants the logo file, you can ftp it from my webpage under the "filez" section. http://homepage.mac.com/skeenix It's a Photoshop 7 file and it's built in layers so you can edit it however you wish. |
Raceautobody
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:02 pm: |
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Hey Daves Any hint on when you might be getting your order in.
Al |
Henrik
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:44 pm: |
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Sorry Bill, but the connection issues has me confused; I have a Handspring Visor Platinum PDA, which has some sort of port on the bottom edge. To sync it I use a cradle, that connects to my computer (while it was still alive) using USB. Will I need a different cable (serial rather than USB) for this application?
Thanks
Henrik
(Message edited by Henrik on October 11, 2004) |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:30 pm: |
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For the handspring, I am pretty sure it requires a special adapter to talk serial. *Most* of the necessary serial port guts sit on that connector, but I think it is missing one key part. Handspring for a while made some connectors / adapters, and other people make them now, but they probably sell for more then the whole visor is worth.
Not to worry though, I have an extra Palm Pilot with a normal serial port I can send you if you would like.
Another option? The Palm factory is selling open box Zire 71's for $149, thats a screaming good deal on a VERY nice pda, and it supports serial ports natively ($15 cable, also open box on the palm site). Connect that thing to a $50 to $100 gps dongle, add a $50 copy of Delorme Streetatlas Handheld, and you have a killer GPS navigation system as well. |
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