| Author | Message | ||
     Aldaytona |
Just hit 25,000 on the XB12R and the belt looks fine. The replacement recommendation is replace at 25K, all the belt info I could find here is several years old. What is the best updated belt available and if I remember correctly, will it also work on my 2000 Sportster? It just hit 30,000 and the belt also looks fine. | ||
| Cataract2 |
The 04 belts replacement interval is 25,000 miles. The 08+ belts are lifetime. With that said. My 05 XB9SX belt is still the original with 59,900 miles on it. Still looks ok to me. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Will an 08 belt fit my 07 XB12S? | ||
| Cataract2 |
Long as you get the one for the XB12S. American Sport Bike has them. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
2008 belts lifetime is defined by how long they last. My first lasted 16,000. I swapped the replacement on after another 15,000 or so as a spare. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Thanks, Cat. | ||
| Sifo |
Lifetime belts are only good for the lifetime of the belt. Once they break, their lifetime is over. The first signs of wear I've seen on my belts was on the inside between the cogs. Small cracks could be seen in there. The outer portion still looked in great shape. | ||
| Buellblastrider |
replacing my belt at 25,000 would have save me from having to replace the engine due to cracked cases behind clutch a transmission bearing behind pulley wearing out it's bore. to me it isn't worth the risk. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
what? Belt killed your engine? | ||
| Buellblastrider |
yep. I didn't replace my belt due to being a broke college student and one day while riding it started jerking. when I stopped it had 12 teeth that sheared off. I replaced the belt that winter but always had a bearing noise. at that point I knew if it was in the tranny I would have to split the cases so I rode on. less than 2000 miles after initial belt problem I had catastrophic failure. every time those 12 teeth missing would hit the front pulley the front pulley would slip until I got stopped.I doubt it has happened to anyone else or caused the same kind of damage but that 200 belt isn't worth not replacing even if it's just piece of mind. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
Falcon SPC drive belt (04+) Panther drive belt Gates (04+) from my profile on another site I personally like the panther | ||
| Greg_e |
All three of those are half the price of the Buell belts, do they really truly fit and last as long as the Buell belts? This is one of the things I need to do to my cycle, along with the 04 upgrade to the later belt, with a new rear tire and new bearings it was adding up to a large amount and I've been putting it off. With prices like this I would get going a lot faster and get this done. | ||
| Froggy |
No clue how long those last, but they are nowhere near half the price of the Buell belt, which retails for $185 currently but some online dealers will sell for $156. Personally for $30 more I'd get the OEM one. I am curious how well these aftermarket ones work in the long term. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
I have over 10k on the panther and there is virtually no sign of wear and I have no idea how many miles the thief put on my bike (still looks great after that). The OEM lasted me 24k I believe the falcon is the actual belt just isn't sold through harley, Harley just rebranded the goodyear. (Message edited by wolfo68 on July 18, 2013) | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
This is very good info. I dread having to go to the dealership for some branded thing if they decide to pull the plug on us. Have you seen if they have a XB12X/ lightning long version? | ||
| Teeps |
Ulysses belt is 135 tooth count. http://www.directcycleparts.com/transmission-drive-drive-belts-gates-polychain-belts-gates-polychain-rear-drive-belt-14mm-tooth-p-3779.html http://www.directcycleparts.com/transmission-drive-drive-belts-generic-belts-belts-falcon-rear-drive-belts-tooth-p-3743.html http://www.directcycleparts.com/transmission-drive-drive-belts-ssgates-belts-ssgates-high-strength-rear-drive-belt-14mm-tooth-p-3795.html (Message edited by teeps on July 18, 2013) | ||
| Wolfo68 |
Yep, I just don't keep them on my profile so I didn't go hunting for them. I don't know how this forum doesn't have an interchangeable parts thread yet. If you need the 08+ TPS, we found that too. | ||
| Ronbob43 |
My '09 XB9SX is on it's third lifetime belt at 27K mi. It is a year round rider in Pac NW, so it does see icy road treatment spray. If that hasn't added to the failures what might I be doing wrong? | ||
| Wolfo68 |
The belts are not rated for the lifetime of the bike. a lifetime was considered either 12k miles or 15k miles (somewhere 20k got thrown in, but I don't remember ever seeing it in an actual document) I think Froggy is more knowledgeable about the definition of lifetime in this sense? | ||
| Reepicheep |
The newer belts were "lifetime" rated to indicate that there is not a finite service life on them. With a chain, or the old belts, it was unlikely the secondary drive would last longer than X miles no matter how good your luck was... they simply wear out no matter what. the new belts were strong enough that they will never "wear out". That doesn't mean you won't break one, it just means that if it isn't broken, it shouldn't be replaced yet. If I had been through that many belts, I would hog out the holes in the stock tensioner slightly. Just drill them a little bigger, and bolt it back on. That gives it just a *little* extra tolerance, which could help if you have some kind of tolerance stack up issue that is tensioning the belt a bit tighter than appropriate. Some people suggest the free spirits tensioner. They are entitled to their opinion, but after handling one and helping somebody put one on their bike, I would not run one on my bike. It is itself a wear item prone to failure, and it requires some ridiculous shimming to align. | ||
| Froggy |
Lifetime means the life of the bike, just like your headlight bulbs, clutch cables, crankshafts, and everything else that should last the life of the bike but sometimes it doesn't happen. That is why starting with the 06 models the belt was covered under warranty, and didn't have a scheduled service replacement interval. As for why the belt would break twice in 27k miles, there are numerous reasons, some of which could be the bike, but it can easily be the rider. Excessive abuse, wheelies, hard acceleration, not being smooth with on/off throttle transitions, stoppies, driving down dirt/gravel roads, and so on will all shorten its life. Improper belt handling when doing tire changes will also drastically shorten its life. My 08 Ulysses went 41k miles on the original belt, which included all the things listed above. There are many on here who have belts last even longer, Barker comes to mind with an estimated 75k miles on his original. The Goodyear Falcon does appear to be the same exact belt as the OEM Goodyear, just without the Buell badging. | ||
| Nillaice |
I was leery of the off brand belts, but 10K mi is an awesome testament to the falcon belt. I'm gonna add that to my list of parts. I think an official interchangeable parts list would be very useful. Especially In a few years time. I know there are a bunch of O2 sensors, oil filters that will fit. Buell XB Oil filters ACDelco # UPF1233 Amsoil SDF10, EA009, EA010 (1/2”longer=more oil) Bosch # 3311 Car Quest 85394 Champion # C138 Fram # PH4967 HD # 63806-004 or 00y? HiFloFiltro #HF177 K&N # hp-1003, KN-177 Mighty # m4477 Napa # 1394 Mobil 1 # M1-103 Motorcraft # FL836 Penzoil # pz39 Purolator # L14476 STP # S4967 Valvoline # vo40 Wal-Mart Super Tech # ST4967 Wix # 51394 Union Sangyo[OEM Toyota Mfg]#C-170 SCOTTS PERFORMANCE BILLET OIL FILTER 02 sensor for buell XB from GM delco GM part #25162693 GM OEM= 8990469 superseded to 25162693 NTK= 21002 Airtex= 553071 Bosch= 12014 Denso= 234-1001 Walker= 250-21001 SNG= SN1-15 And a tps from a 93 mustang works on the 06 and priors There has to be an iat and brake light switch that is common. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
 Fuel pump (not assembly) - 03 Ford Mustang 3.8L - Walbro 521 (part number E2061 at autozone) IAT - 97 Ford F-150 4.6L manufactured by Standard... Part # - AX31 TPS sensor: Duralast #TPS213 ('93 Mustang) AIRTEX Part # 5S5022 (07+ TPS) Standard motor products TH317 (07+ TPS) BECK/ARNLEY Part # 1580864 (07+ TPS) Duralast TPS4129 (07+ TPS) TPS for the tubers: NAPA Part Number CRB 21918 O2 sensor is the same as the XB Wheel bearings: SKF6006-2RS (Rear), SKF6005-2RS (Front) O2 sensors: 87 Chevy 1/2 ton 4.3L -GM OEM= 25162693 -NTK= 21002 -Airtex= 553071 -Bosch= 12014 -Denso= 234-1001 -Walker= 250-21001 -SNG= SN1-15 Union Sangyo[OEM Toyota Mfg]#C-170. oil filters (07+ Toyota Yaris 1.4L) ACDelco # UPF1233 Amsoil SDF10, EA009, EA010 (1/2”longer=more oil) Bosch # 3311 Car Quest 85394 Champion # C138 Fram # PH4967 HD # 63806-004 or 00y? HiFloFiltro #HF177 K&N # hp-1003, KN-177 Mighty # m4477 Napa # 1394 Mobil 1 # M1-103 Motorcraft # FL836 Penzoil # pz39 Purolator # L14476 STP # S4967 Valvoline # vo40 Wal-Mart Super Tech # ST49ST4967 Wheel bearings: SKF6006-2RS (Rear), SKF6005-2RS (Front) torca clamp o'rileys part# role20st. plug thread M12 x 1.25mm Tap chain conversion Front sprocket(21 teeth); V-twin # 19-0384 / $13.97 Rear sprocket (51 teeth); (Odessa Fl.) # 827-51 / $63.95 + 6.95 shipping 530 diamond chain; V-twin # 19-0326 / $37.49 Idler pulley; Gates # 38023 / $16.78 (AND its available in ANY autozone in USA!) Total cost: $139.14 (YES it IS less than the cost of ONE belt!!!!) Replacement bolts for the rear exhaust bracket 3/8-16 and get the 2 1/2 in bolts replacement starter # HARLEY DAVIDSON 31390-91, 31390-91A, 31390-91B, 31390-86, 31533-81, 31391-91, 31391-91A NIPPONDENSO: 128000-8450, 128000-8451 http://www.rareelectrical.com/p-9604-new-star ... male/female headlight connectors male connector...P/N: 73154-96WE female connector...P/N: 73104-96BK Fuel filter possibly a Fram g3606 I have more somewhere... (Message edited by wolfo68 on July 19, 2013) | ||
| Ducbsa |
Thanks for the list. I couldn't find the O'Reilly part number on their site. Can you check that? torca clamp o'rileys part# role20st. Also, see this thread http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/701810.html?1356609444 | ||
| Wolfo68 |
I believe the torca clamp part number is 670200 Part # 670200 at O'reillys I did forget to add the brake line banjo bolts, and O rings that were found. That link just links to my other cross-references over on xb (Message edited by wolfo68 on July 20, 2013) | ||
| Ronbob43 |
Oopsie- a plastic connector on a strap for a tank bag attached to the under seat spring migrated to the belt area and into the pulley. The belt outer edge traded material with the pulley cover, slicing a half circle out of the cover. I wonder what I will mess up next. | ||
| Fast1075 |
A Free Spirits belt tensioner takes care of the tension problems with the belt. I have over 25K trouble free miles with mine, and it makes it MUCH easier to R&R the rear wheel. I had no issues at all installing mine. bolted right up. I would recommend a dab of Loctite on the cap screws. (Message edited by fast1075 on July 24, 2013) | ||
| Nik |
I bought one of the Goodyear belts because I needed one quick. Except for the lettering it appears exactly the same as the Buell belt I took off. But... When I put my last Buell belt on it was abnormally tight, requiring a lot of force and a BFH to get the tensioner pulley on, with the axle backed out. That my transmission output shaft bearing and wheel bearings went bad using this belt can't be just a coincidence. This 'falcon' Goodyear belt went together without this issue. I don't think this means this new belt is better in any way but it makes me wonder about manufacturing tolerances effecting the belt tension in the non-adjustable setup of the Buell. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
If it was abnormally tight I think it's safe to assume you had a bad belt. | ||
| Ronbob43 |
A month and a day later and another broken belt. This time I noticed a hot idler pulley. It has slop too, which it didn't have when the belt went on last month. All three belts I have replaced have gone on real tight. Should I be trying a spring loaded pulley? | ||
| Cataract2 |
First replace the idler bearings. There was a post sometime back on the XBoard that showed how to do that. (Manual calls for replacement of the pulley.) I've heard good things about the spring setup. | ||
| Vtpeg |
Sat on the side of the road in the rain for an hour today waiting for pick up, this thread came to mind. Second belt this summer, seems like caliper side bearing has some slop, have not taken anything apart yet. Some hard riding, but leaning towards mechanical issue, worried about chicken-egg situation. Any trouble shooting flow to inspect this problem? |
