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Greg_e
| | Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 11:16 pm: | 
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Wow, that shows how exceptionally good the stock exhaust is on that cycle, really very impressive engineering on BMW's part. |
Xxxue
| | Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 11:23 pm: |
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Its as simple as sampling the new technology, you never want to go backward, once you try the latest and top of the line technology has to offer.
I suppose there are the idiots that still think cassette tapes,vinyl records, VHS tapes are superior to blue ray or mp3 recordings.
If you can afford to own it, simply buy it and enjoy it. If you can't then your stuck with living in the past.
(Message edited by xxxue on October 01, 2012) |
M1combat
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 01:46 am: |
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You're not going to get it...
You think you're talking to a bunch of people who haven't owned or ridden litre bikes but you're not.
The fact is that most of us have progressed BEYOND liter bikes and like our Buells more than the liter bikes. You won't understand for quite a while.
It's not about HP. If I wanted something faster than my Buell I'd go buy it. I don't. If you know of a bike that works as well on a very tight twisty track or a very tight mountain road I'm all ears.
It's not our fault you don't have any good places to ride, and it's not Buell's fault. If you need a bike for straight line performance then get one that works there. Have a blast man...
Oh and... you obviously still haven't looked into swept volume as a means of comparing engines (it's much better than cc). It just goes to show how interested you REALLY are about riding motorcycles... That's "Not at all". You're interested in dick swinging at the local motorcycle hangout.
Good luck with that. I hope you get lots of va-jay-jay with your horse power. Have fun. If you ever get to a tight track pay attention to the Buells. They'll likely teach you a thing or two. That said... It's all about the Indian, not the arrow. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 01:49 am: |
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"Its as simple as sampling the new technology, you never want to go backward, once you try the latest and top of the line technology has to offer. "
Uhh huh... and the rest of the manufacturers still haven't caught up to Buell on that front.
I know... I know... You don't get that statement. You think I'm crazy... but really we're just coming at the subject from different angles. It's OK... I'm accepting yours and I understand it. You haven't got a clue about mine though and you're still rejecting it. That says a lot about who you are.
Sorry to tell you. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 11:46 am: |
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Note your Triumph ST1050 is not a sport bike and weighs over 500lbs wet weight, its a Sport Touring and only makes about a 123hp measured at the crank. This would give you about a 104.5 hp at the back wheel, similar to an old Kawasaki Concours. Your still about 60-80 hp down from current liter sport bikes. My GSXR1000 dynoed at 164 rwhp.
Sprint ST dry weight is only 469.6 pounds. As I pointed out though, it still has MORE power than I need for almost all of my riding.
You seem to think the ZX14r is the thing to have. Have you checked the weight on that? 584.3 pounds is way more than my sport touring bike, and I have hard bags I can take off! I hope that's a wet weight! Certainly if my ST is to heavy to be considered a sport bike, your Cow is just plain portly. No doubt you will be able to out run me on a straight away though. Here's the thing though... You would also be able to out run me on my ST with an XB9r. I'm just not interested in having to prove I have the biggest dick. I'm happy letting someone ride stupidly. I've learned to let them go, and simply turn off on a different route. I want nothing to do with people who are going 150+ mph. I know the eventual outcome and don't want to be anywhere near that.
584 pounds!   |
Syonyk
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 02:47 pm: |
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If you can afford to own it, simply buy it and enjoy it. If you can't then your stuck with living in the past.
What if I can afford it & don't want it?
Simple question: Is there more to a sportbike than raw horsepower? Yes or no.
You're arguing, near as I can tell, that raw horsepower is the only metric of value in a sportbike.
Others (myself included) disagree. |
Xxxue
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 03:28 pm: |
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Sifo - true the zx14r is heavy, but the only thing comparable is the Hayabusa and they are almost identical weight. I already shead 42 lbs. off it by removing the stock silencers and mid pipes. The yoshimura pipes only weigh 13lbs for the 2 pipes and mufflers. I wish the bike was lighter, but it was designed that way to handle the high speed and handle the extra horsepower of the engine.
Syonyk - Its the total package, one could argue that a vincent black shadow is more bike than you ever need. But time moves on and things change.
I will agree that the buell xb and 1125 had some interesting chassis, brake, frame combinations, which came be argued good or bad till your blue in the face.
The real problem with the xb12 series , is the choice of engine they used, its a dated sportster engine, in sportbike chassis.
Its the same as taking a salvaged sport bike and putting an old triumph , norton, or xs650 motor in it. It would be an interesting project for someone to do.
But not as a new $11,000 bike, This was the main reasons the xb12r , never really caught on. Why would you pay $11k for a bike that is slower, lower level components, than most 600cc and 1000cc jap sport bikes that could be had for $7k-$9k when buell was still sold by harley.
Its good if your content with the bike you have, but don't sell yourself short, just because you own a bike that dated.
I got rid of mine because I just couldn't see it sit in the garage and not ridden, it just wasn't an enjoyable motorcycle to ride in the summer heat of nevada and easily over heated, you could feel the clutch engagement changing all time when ridden in summer 120 degree temps.
The bottom line is that the XB series is a bike thats most comparable to a SV650 or a Kawasaki 650 Versys in performance and handling. Once you experience bikes of superior performance levels, you don't want to go backward.
Also if you can afford a new bike , there are more reasons to sell off the Buell and to get something new than hold on to a bike that is no longer made, and parts and dealer support are due to end in 7 yrs. for the 2010 models. Then every early year loses support, with every new year.
Your already coming to the point time that no one really wants a Buell, unless you are almost giving it away, to sell it.
Just look at how dead this forum,is compared to only a few years ago.
The hand writings on the wall, you can choose either to do something or just ignore it.
(Message edited by xxxue on October 02, 2012)
(Message edited by xxxue on October 02, 2012) |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 06:03 pm: |
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So you dropped some pounds by changing your muffler. Same was done to my ST when I bought it. Carbon Trident slip on. Big deal. Your "state of the art sport bike" is still over 100 pounds heavier than a bike that you pointed out is not a sport bike, but a heavy sport touring bike.
This weight is something I would have to live with for 100% of my riding. The ability to go 190 mph would be something that I would use about 0% of the time. I have never once wound out my XB or the ST. Never! You are simply trying to convince people that they have a problem where none exists.
Is the XB motor dated? You bet it is. The performance is better for typical street riding than an I4 though, IMO. Yes it is lacking at speeds that we shouldn't be doing on the street. If you see that as a problem, please stay away from air cooled twins. Please stay away from me too. We wouldn't enjoy riding together. I think we are likely to be on different roads anyway. |
Syonyk
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 06:33 pm: |
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From the other thread you started:
I aways wanted one of the high speed bikes like the hayabusa or a zx14r, so I figured I would get one and try it out.
I think it's clear that the Buell just wasn't the bike for you.
Please, don't let the door hit you on the way out. And try to stay alive. |
Swamp2
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 06:58 pm: |
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This may come across as remarkable to some, but I actually enjoy riding my '77 BMW R100S as much as my 1125CR. I liked the S1000RR i demoed but not enough to buy one. And yes, i could afford it. Way too narrow and totally stupid for every day riding.
There's obviously something wrong with me - that i don't worship the idol of motorcycle technology.
The premise that you can't enjoy a less.than state of the art bike is absurd. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 07:48 pm: |
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Xxxue, I have sent you a PM.
To read it, just check the e-mail you used to sign up on BadWeB.
Thanks for your time. |
Xxxue
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 07:52 pm: |
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Sifo- your triumph st 1050 is 530 lbs wet, heres the link. Most manufactures when listing the dry weight means no fluids anywhere and no battery present. Thats where you get the big weight increase,when measuring the actual wet weight of the bike.
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-rev iews/triumph/2010-triumph-sprint-st-ar71454.html
So with the zx14r weighing 583 wet - 42 old system = 541 lbs. + 13 yoshimura system = 554 lbs. new wet weight
So you only have a bike that is 24 lbs. heavier than your triumph and puts out around 90 hp. more.
Well The powers at be warned me to tone it down or ban me. No need to I'm gone from this forum.
Good luck to everyone and keep an opened mind !!!
GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Afsoc_commando
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 08:03 pm: |
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Xxxue,
You sound like a young kid with simple logic.
I drive a 2005 VW TDI due to its features... it does everything I need, and yes there are newer and nicer cars out there. Are they better? It is all opinion...
You keep stating your Opinion as Fact..
The only Fact is you have very different likes then most people I know that ride.
3 Guys at the office have the Hyabusa.. Ugliest bike on the market and cannot keep up to me... Why do you say? Because the tortoise wins... I can ride for days before I have any painful issues being contorted into an unnatural shape. @ of them own other bikes due to the very NARROW capabilities of the King of straight line acceleration.
I also own a Harley Springer, much more FUN to ride and enjoyable then any inline 4. Also get better fuel mileage and I can enjoy the ride since I drive with-in the speed limit not endangering others on the highway or roads I ride.
Say what you want, but my antique V-twin engine actually is easier to work on then you high performance I4. The Springer I own is 21 years old... Runs like new... Almost 100k miles on the original Jugs.
Show me an I4 Race bike that you seem to think is the best thing going with half that mileage on it, accident free even.
If you hate our passion so much why even mess with this board? It is pretty active, remember most of the guys here are adults... not young boys who yack about every little thing. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 08:29 pm: |
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Xxxue,
How ever you wish to measure it, your "state of the art sport bike" is heavier than my ST that YOU said was too heavy for a sport bike. I accept that from a sport touring bike. I don't accept that from a sport bike. I don't care how much power it puts out. Max HP is low on the list of things that makes a good sport street bike. Weight OTOH, hurts virtually every aspect of a sport bike. Now, what exactly is all that weight you are hauling around helping?
Did I mention my XB is more fun to ride than my ST, despite having less power? I think I did. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 09:50 pm: |
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Just for the record.
No one mentioned one word about banning anyone. |
Phwx2
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 06:39 pm: |
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To answer the question: 2003 XB 9 SL listed for 3,500.00 a couple of months ago. No takers. If I didn't have an 1125CR I would never sell it. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2012 - 06:55 pm: |
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Sell my firebolt? you must be joking. Want one of my children instead? I'D trade one for a Drummer SS 
Seriously though I could not sell my 'bolt. It has too much personal significance to me,
where I've been and where I'm going to. |
Luxor
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 11:00 am: |
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Tried selling my 2003 9SL priced at $3800 this summer, had alot of bites but I waffled on every buyer because they just didn't seem to be able to give it the proper home. It's not just a bike to me, it's part of the family so it will spend the rest of it's life with me.  |
No_rice
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 01:19 pm: |
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i'll put my xb9r against that zx14 all day long at blackhawk |
No_rice
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 01:22 pm: |
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and the price for my xb9r... who would want it anyway? |
Hodakaharold
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 02:37 pm: |
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I sold my 2007 XB12S last May for $3,500.00, Jramsey rebuilt it for me,it was actually better after the total loss from the deer collision then when I got it new, had a Drummer Exhaust,,,. The 20 year old I sold it to didn't asked me to come down on the price, he had done his homework, didn't want a litre bike, wanted something to ride to work and ride on the twisties on weekends. His bank looked at it and didn't blink an eye about the salvage title. |
Hodakaharold
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 02:44 pm: |
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I still visit this site from time to time, my passion for Buells hasn't changed, just my riding tastes. Most of my friends have now gone to dual purpose riding so now I only ride pavement to get home. My new ride is a 2001 Honda XR650R, plated to ride on the street. I still think of my Buell on the twisties riding home but I am 55 years old and dual purpose riding agrees with me more than riding sport bikes. If I were much younger, I know it would be different. |
Greg_e
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 05:15 pm: |
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I still want a BMW with hard bags for general commuting, maybe an old air cooled machine or maybe a newer K75 machine. |
Swamp2
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 08:25 am: |
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Greg-e, I love my Buells but if I could only have 1 bike, it would be my '85 K100RT. It works well enough for everything - good weather protection, factory cases and it's not super-heavy. Will loaf along comfortably at 100 mph if you want. And you can get these pretty cheap, I've had mine probably 6 years but it was only $1600 and has been reliable. Only expensive repair was i had to rebuild the oil/water pump. It's not a bike that inspires a lot of passion in me, but I respect its well-rounded nature.
In other words - I agree with your choice! I also have a '77 R100S but the K100 is more practical. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 06:44 pm: |
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Fun is fun.
Restoring a 67 Aermacchi for Sunny's Christmas (she probably won't see this).
I ride to my threshold of fear on the racetrack, to the threshold of good sense on the street. Doesn't take much to scare me in either situation. |
Swamp2
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 - 07:16 am: |
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Slaughter - restoring a Sprint, by any chance? I've got a running '69 awaiting it's turn for some attention. Cool little bikes!
Currently getting close to finishing a '70 Bonneville, the Sprint may be next... |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 - 03:05 pm: |
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Yeppiree. She's been in love with the cute little beasties for a decade now. This has been a hard-to-keep secret - especially when mystery boxes of engine parts arrive at the house. |
B00stzx3
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 - 03:30 pm: |
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Never. We rebuild, fix, DIY until the thing is totaled or stolen. Luckily never stolen
XB with 20k would go for what, 3-4k?
Even if I didn't love riding my 984 monster, I'd ride it just to spite Wandell and support Erik. |
Trussell305
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 12:42 pm: |
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my first bike ive ever riden and owned is a 2003 xb9r. i paid a little more than i should have 4k because i am friends with previous owner and he is a freak on up keep so it was worth the extra 500-800$ to know where it came from and who put the miles on it. i live in miami so we dont have to many good twisties around here but i love how easily i can get into my leans. the thing i notced about buells is that although they are not top end fast they come out of corners better than most every bike ive riden with or on. with only about 3k miles exp im already dragging one knee and my elbow is about 6" from ground.. ive tried on gsxr and cbr and i dont get anywhere close to how low i can get on my buell. idowant more top end speed which im either buying a cbr 1000 or a r1 this summerbut i will NEVER sell my xb9r ilove it too much. it just feels right. the jap bikes i am forcing my stances to much and dont feel confident with my leans |
Truss305
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 03:35 pm: |
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look up youtube vid of Danny eslick vs chris young.. its a battle for second place one of the best race battles ive ever seen... eslick is on a buell ebr and young is on a gsxr almost every straight away the gsxr takes it and braking into turns and powering out of them the buell destroys it.. after the race yound wanted to join the ebr team!!! the vid is called eslick vs young 2012 watch that and tell me ur not impressed |
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