| Author | Message | ||
     Luxor |
Ok, just spent the weekend riding my tweaked 12S in triple digits climbing Mt. Saint Helens(yep the volcano), must add that I LOVE WHERE I LIVE. Dilemma, a buddy has a 2010 Ducati street fighter. Now in no way did the Duc outrun me, I got there first, but I had that tingle in my stomach that I can only translate as lust. Being a true "Buell Rider" I tried to justify my lust as just "New bike". Damn that Duc is sexy, like a curvy supermodel at the beach, DAMN IT'S SEXY!! The conflict arises because I have people tell me the same thing about my Buell, DAMN SEXY! I AM CONFLICTED! I will NEVER sell my Buells. Should I go into debt and buy a Duc?? Talk me down PLEASE!! I just might jump!(AND MY LADY WILL KILL ME). (Message edited by luxor on September 15, 2012) | ||
| Ulynut |
Save your money and buy one with cash. Find a wrecked one and piece it together would be even better. | ||
| Ourdee |
Buy it after writing me into the will for the new bike. | ||
| Glitch |
In my humble opinion, one shouldn't go into debt for a motorcycle. Even one as sexy as that. But that's just me, I hate paying over time, there's so much more I could do with my money than pay for borrowing money. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If you still want it that bad a year from now, it will be a LOT cheaper. If not, you didn't really want it that bad. I'm with Glitch... I might go into debt for a primary bike, but never for a secondary one. | ||
| Foximus |
Admittedly... I am no an XB lover by any means.. That being said.. A streetfighter 1098 will outrun your bike in every conceivable way possible. No if ands or buts about it. It is just a more refined bike (with higher production quality standards) And is really just a devistatingly fast chassis. But what do you expect from a $12,000 baseline bike? It is also on my list of must own's... so dont feel bad. | ||
| Xxxue |
The ducati's are actually crap, my brother picked up a 2011 1198 SP (corrected)last year for $14,500 and he also got the ducati racing cams,Termignoni exhaust and race ecm for it another $4k. One thing he really regretted about buying the bike was not test driving before buying it. After getting the bike home he was really disappointed how little power it had compared to his 2008 cbr1000. He also commented how the bike had a really short power band and you really had to keep track of your rpm's to really take advantage of the power. Even so he said the ducati felt very close to my xb12r in its power delivery. Still the bike felt down on power. A few weeks later he had it dynoed and it had only a 119 hp at the back wheel and then after installing the factory race kit, cams exhaust and ecu and retune, it finally made a 164hp on the latest dyno run. The other issue he really didn't like was the fitment of the Termignoni $3000 exhaust, it was routed so close to the fairing panels that it would easily melt them. Overall the thing with the ducati's is that they make really beautiful bikes, but when you really get down to working on them and riding them, they are not really all that they are cracked up to be. Its liked spending $500k on a Ferrari, when a $150k BMW or Porsche can either equal or beat the Ferrari. Overall your better off staying away from the ducati's, unless you pick up a low mileage used one cheap. (Message edited by xxxue on September 16, 2012) (Message edited by xxxue on September 16, 2012) | ||
| Foximus |
by 1190, I'm going to assume you mean a 1198s. If he dyno's at 119 at the wheel, then the mods he did were not properly done/tuned in. Stock real world dyno tests off the showroom floor these bikes have 150-155 hp. And that is the truth. Yes, your right about the ferrari statement. But we are not comparing a ferarri to a porche. This is like comparing a ferarri/porche to a camaro. Sure there is a huuuge overhead for aftermarket parts... but thats why you ride a buell or mod a Small block chevy. The parts are stupid cheap, with very little actual engineering behind it. If practical engineering sold bikes, then honda would still be selling v-twin and v4 sport bikes. | ||
| Xxxue |
correct 1198 SP I wouldn't doubt if the cycle magazines are correct on their dyno results, but these are usually factory prepped bikes, delivered to the dealers, probably tweeked for better HP for the magazine testers. If you read a lot of the bike mags you will also find a lot of bias for or against certain brands. Bottom line is what my brothers bike was dynoed at in stock condition was 119 hp. It lived up to the claims only after the factory race kit was installed and tunned. Right now the best a super bike you can get is either the BMW 1000, zx10r or the cbr1000. | ||
| Andymnelson |
I don't think that's what Glitch said at all. Me personally, I AM with Glitch:
Giving into a whim of a desire for a new bike by signing a loan is weakness. Save your pennies, when you can afford to buy another bike THEN go buy what your heart desires. | ||
| Luxor |
Well, got a chance to ride it. And was actually disappointed. Great power, but mushy feel when pushed hard, the XB feels much more rigid and controllable to me. The traction control is also a real problem, turned all the way down and the bike would still get upset under certain conditions. And last but not least UNCOMFORTABLE. So, the desire is gone. PROS: more power CONS: everything else. Thanks guys. | ||
| Xxxue |
The other bad issue with ducati's is there power band, the bikes tend to make good power and torque around 4k and then falls off sharply 4k-7k rpm on most models. So you find yourself having to keep the bike running between 7-9 thousand rpm to really get any decent power out of them, doing this on a $20k bike that is also a long stroke motor that will wear out quite quickly is driven at constant high rpms. Sport Rider magazine stated is best when they said there biggest complaint about the new ducati superbike , is that is has to be driven all out to make any real power or just keep up with the competition. | ||
| Bads1 |
It wasn't mushy.... it wasn't set up for you. That bike can go alooooong way in proper setup. | ||
| Bads1 |
Comparing specs from CBR to the Duc ?? They make about the same HP give or take a couple. The Duc redlines at 10,500 and the CBR at 12,000. Not huge considering the Duc actually revs very fast. The Duc is no slouch even in the QTR mile department. Thing is..... ya don't ride a twin the same as a inline. I have a CBR and quite frankly the duc does quite well against it. | ||
| Luxor |
@Bads1, when I say mushy I mean it. The owner and I are the same height with a 3 pound weight difference. So how could the Duc have been set up differently for me? | ||
| Foximus |
As in, it wasn't setup at all.... | ||
| Bads1 |
Bingo.... thats Ohlins baby... not much better.lol | ||
| Luxor |
Ok, I must clarify my mushy statement. How about flexy. Not a suspension problem, more of a chassis/frame problem. The bike just didn't feel solid underneath me. It did steer much lighter then the XB but that was NOT what I was feeling. And, if a Ducati race tech that spent 3 hours with him setting up the suspension the day he bought it isn't set up then I don't know what is. (Message edited by luxor on September 20, 2012) |
