| Author | Message | ||
     Trenchtractor |
I'd like to hear from owners of the Jardine muffler... If there are any about?? Thanks... | ||
| Jabrien00 |
I have one and I am very satisfied with it. The sound is loud but not annoyingly loud. The only thing I didn't like about it is putting it on. | ||
| Rosko |
i have one, too...no problems yet, and if you cut the stock muffler bands with snips and the rear aluminum stock muffler bracket with a saw-zall, no problems in installing it...took less than an hour | ||
| Captainplanet |
I have one. I love it. Sounds great, looks even better. | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
Had one for three weeks before it broke the "new and improved" left side "steel" (actually looks like an alloy) bracket allowing the chin fairing to drop down and contact the collector, melting a portion, as well as grind a big hole in the side of the pretty polished can with it's own broken stump of a bracket. Took it off and got a refund from the dealer. The @ss at Jardine wanted me to return it so they could inspect it and decide if a refund was warranted. This BS on a three week old muffler. I told the dealer to refund me and take it up with Jardine themselves (which they did). Apparently, Jardine was out of the Buell muffler biz for awhile while they re-evaluated their bracket situation (although I've been told that they've decided to roll with the crappy brackets anyway). Don't do it! | ||
| Rosko |
hmmm...when all this is partially dependent on each individual's ability to install the mufflers, i would say that maybe some of the bracket failures are due to the brackets being installed in a bind or not being torqued properly, and thus causing undue vibrations that weaken the metal brackets and cause them to break...that is the only thing that is going to cause a 1/4" metal bracket to snap is metal fatigue from vibrations....plenty of us, me included, have put many miles on ours with no problem.... | ||
| Johncr250 |
I`ve had Jardine pipes on several of my bikes. They have all been awesome. Perfect fit, good sound, great warranty, and you can almost buy 2 Jardine pipes for the price of one Drummer. Team Honda also uses them on their Factory bikes. | ||
| BadS1 |
If it breaks like they have been,I don't need the hassel of warrantying one every time it breaks.Just means down time.Honda?????Inline 4's don't vibrate anything near what are twins do so there getting off easy there. | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
The bracket that's breaking is just to support the chin fairing, right? If the pipe performs well, run it without the fairing and your problem is solved. Heck, it'll look almost like a tuber! I've recently got to hear the drummer and a jardine on two different 9's. I must say both are an amazing improvement over my piddly stock can. | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
Hmmm, I can't believe there are so many of us who can work on so many things that are much more complicated than a bracket -- rebuild engines, mechanical/electrical engineers, machinists, etc., but are incapable of properly installing a bracket which sandwiches between an engine case and a sidestand base. How can it bind? It's just a pathetic design. Why do they use cold steel on one side and an alloy on the other? Oh yeah, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two sides -- I'm too stupid to install the bracket without causing enough fatigue in the steel to break it!  I know of several people who run without the chin fairing because they can't get a bracket to last. Maybe they're just too stupid to install it right as well? On the contrary -- I think some people just get lucky with THEIR brackets. If broken brackets were the exception rather than the rule, then Jardine wouldn't have halted production, right? Or, maybe it's more of a 12 vs 9 vibration thing? Naah, I think you're right and nobody knows how to turn a wrench.  Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the gaping hole in the powerband at 3,700 RPM... Is that because the bracket was installed in a bind? (Message edited by 2k4xb12 on August 06, 2004) | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
I've heard the Jardine works better on the nine compared with 12. Since the pipe wasn't giving you the performance you expected AND the brackets failed, I can see your frustration. The last thing I want to do is waste money and time on my favorite toy! I did look at the brackets that were meant to support the chin fairing and I was not too impressed. The whole front of the fairing is unsupported and causes all of the stress to fall on the two brackets in the rear. That's the best part about the drummer...stock mounting points. | ||
| Hogs |
Tucsonxb9s In the Defense of the Drummer you say...That's the best part about the drummer...stock mounting points. I Do not own a Drummer ..However I wd. have to Disagree with you there and say Thats NOT the best part of the Drummer .!! :-)))) | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
Ahhhhh....I meant BESIDES the obvious performance gains, sound, build quality, yada, yada, yada. I should have phrased that differently...  | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
I meant BESIDES the obvious performance gains, sound, build quality, yada, yada, yada. Hmmm, lets see... We'll just assume that since they have a single part for both the 9s and 12s, that they were developed for the 9s (probably before the 12s even hit the street). In which case, you might be right. However, I'd like to address your points in relation to the 12s. performance gains I noticed a huge hole in the powerband at 3,700 RPM. I can also show you a dyno plot of a guy (same guy I mentioned in the above thread -- dealer employee, races his 12, and still runs the Jardine, but has no chin fairing due to the brackets that he must have bound up when he installed the pipe) who suffered over a 2HP DROP from stock (ran the Jardine with the race ECM, and I believe the baseline was with the race kit, but that part I'm unsure of). Oh, and another thing -- he had me run the Drummer on the same dyno, and not only did it churn out more power than his Jardine, but he was quite mipressed with how much moother the powerband was than the jagged Jardine curve. sound Another thing I didn't like. At idle, it sounded great. Even when you jerked the throttle a few times. However, at speed, it was way to tinny and raspy. build quality Okay, so the whole can is polished, not just the tip, but the parts that are polished are done so to the same degree. Oh yeah -- show me the jack points on the Jardine. yada, yada, yada Okay, you got me on this one. The Drummer doesn't have nearly as much "yada, yada, yada" as the Jardine does...  (in case you didn't detect a bit of sarcasm, this was posted with much love) (Message edited by 2k4xb12 on August 06, 2004) | ||
| Rosko |
2k...i wasn't directing anything toward you, and not once did I call anyone "stupid"...I simply made the remark that maybe some people were having trouble with their brackets because everything might not have lined up "just right" and they forced it just to get it on....honestly, i don't care....but if you took what I said personally, then, my friend, maybe their is some subconscious resentment on some level...maybe a little Freudian, who knows...I'm not one to apologize for offending anyone with a non-directed comment, so if I offended you and the "we" that you referred to...oh well. P.S....both of my brackets are STEEL...one isn't "Alloy" (which was actually aluminum and aluminum isn't an alloy, but you're smart and you already knew that)...when I heard of the problems with the aluminum brackets, I called Jardine and they sent the replacement steel bracket for the one aluminum one that came with the muffler....the other always has been steel (Message edited by rosko on August 06, 2004) | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
Rosko, I took nothing personally, I just couldn't fathom the notion that SOOOOO many people are having trouble doing such a basic install that Jardine saw fit to halt production. Why don't any of these people have such binding and torqueing problems with the right side bracket? It's a much more difficult install. And yes, both of MY brackets were steel also (magnets don't stick to aluminum), but the one on the right (two pieces welded together in a tee) was obviously cold steel, while the one on the left, although ferrous enough to attract a magnet, had much more sheen to it -- as in an alloy. Aluminum isn't the only thing that can be made into an alloy. Any combination of metals comprises an alloy. This is simply a much lighter steel. Since this piece is either stamped or water cut, a lighter metal would probably have been better for production. At any rate, it is what it is. There's Chevy guys and there are Ford guys out there, and nobody is right or wrong for owning either one. It's all about personal preference, and past experience. Personally, I'm a Ford guy since I've had some terrible experiences in quality with GM cars -- both that I've owned as well as family members. Same here -- there's obviously Jardine guys, and there's Drummer guys. I went for price originally, but got burned. Second time around I went for quality and haven't looked back. I just didn't think it was fair to assume that anybody that had a bracket fail simlpy didn't install it right. | ||
| Rosko |
i didn't say anything that SHOULD have been interpreted along the lines that EVERYONE who had a bracket fail, did so because they did it WRONG...all that I said was that without having the SAME person do ALL of the installs, it increases the possibility that there are a certain percentage of the back yard mechanics who do it wrong....that's all.....and, what is causing the brackets to break is vibration...either from the bike itself, or from the side to side movement of the chin spoiler...it fatigues the metal and it FAILS...and, yes, there are a number of us out here who have had NO problem, but even that doesn't mean we may not down the road. And you can't argue the fact that everyone who has a Drummer (or a D&D, or a WileyCo....just picked one) could have specific problems with their bikes limited solely to those individuals with that same muffler (or whatever)....that's all. | ||
| Hogs |
For what its worth... I just bought a BRand new D&D from a fellow Bueller here.. he had one on his ride for a year and the bottom plate cracked, broke etc. Which he returned to manufacturer and they gave him a new one a year later got to like that eh...anyways if its made out of wood, steel, iron, Whatever IT can break buyer be ware...just 2 cents as they say :-) | ||
| Buckinfubba |
I almost CAN resist, oh wait no I can't. Johncr250, we've always gone at each other and I laugh everytime. yep you can get 2 jardines for the price of one drummer....good thing you'll need the second one to put on when the broken braket happens......just kidding I am having some fun here.  I have nothing against the jardine pipe at all, it is affordable performs okie dokie, but it was not tested on the xb's or its engine configuration, it is the same pipe basically that they sell for evey other bike out there. its a can with a 2"baffle tube surronded by packing, same as V&H, yoshimira, ect.... but they do need to fix the breaking problem , the chin fairing is part of the bike and if you are gonna step in the ring to sell pipes for bikes, it should work with what body parts it needs to work with. maybe I am old fashioned but thats how I see it | ||
| Trenchtractor |
Yeah, well I'm only asking about the Jardine since it is the only pipe other than the Factory Race muffler I can get here in the land of OZ... And the factory race muffler had started to rust. I actually want to build my own muffler. Anyone got ideas?? | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
Ahhhhh....I meant BESIDES the obvious performance gains, sound, build quality, yada, yada, yada. I should have phrased that differently... 2k4xb12, I was talkin' about the drummer. Read the post above mine from Hogs then my post. I wasn't defending the Jardine at all. In fact I have neither pipe so I don't have any ownership experiences I can share. | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
My bad... | ||
| Easyflier |
Trench, ideas about the Jardine or building your own muffler? The bike I just bought (XB12R) came with a Jardine and it sounds healthy but I don't know if it gives the bike any more power than the stock muffler since I've not ridden one that was stock. As far as the brackets go, I've ridden over 1,200 miles this past week, mostly at 80+mph and the brackets have held up thus far. I currently have a muffler at the welding shop being modified to my specifications but I have no idea how it will turn out. When it's all said and done I'll probably end up with a Drummer on both bikes.  |
