| Author | Message | ||
     50dro |
I've posted these in a few other places on the forum and it was recommended that I post them here so here goes! Details: Provide additional crash protection for the engine components on your Buell XB Series Motorcycle with the 5-0dro Engine Case Sliders! • Specially designed, manufactured and assembled in the USA from high strength aluminum & high quality engineered resin. • Helps to protect your valuable engine components in the case of a fall. • Hard Coat anodized finished (black only) backing plates & machined sliders for ultimate protection. • Includes high strength corrosion resistant hardware. • Features laser etched details, superior finish and the quality that you have come to expect from a 5-0dro product! (Note: Current pictures are of the prototypes. The final design will have a smooth black anodized finish with machined resin sliders.) Left side (all model years - shown with production bracket and prototype slider)  Right side (2003-2007 - prototype part pictured)  Right side (2008-2010, prototypes)  Production pics of all parts together  Shipped price (in the continental US) will be $135 but we are currently offering a pre-order discount of $120 until we are fully stocked (expected early next week) Use the "badweb" coupon code for another $5 off! Order yours today at www.5-0dro.com! | ||
| Cityxruss |
Looks nice. Can you post a few pics of the final production units installed on a Buell? Thanks. | ||
| 50dro |
Thanks! I definitely will once the production hardware is in stock. We're expecting them Monday. | ||
| Xxxue |
T-Rex already sells the same type http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Rex-Buell-08-on-XB12X-XB 12S-XB12R-08-on-XB9SX-XB9R-Frame-Sliders-/30068384 7008?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460 2276560&vxp=mtr Also these type of sliders look like they would severly damage the engine cases. Your only attaching your crash protectors to a few 1/4" bolts. Do you have any race photo of actual crashes using your brackets, or actual testing. | ||
| 50dro |
Thank you for your question and pointing out that my competition has a similar offering.  Although we have an offering for the 2003-2007 models as well as for the 2008+ models. I posted an answer to a similar question to yours in one of my others threads about this product. Here's what I said: "...These have not been put to the test in "real life" just yet as I'm the only one that has them on a Buell right now. You have a valid point and one that I have fielded a few times before. Yes, we definitely put a significant amount of thought to that. Every situation is different and high speed impacts are even more difficult to predict. I've seen many primary cases and headers banged up. ... Our design mitigates that risk by using high performance resin sliders which are compliant. Their compliancy is intended to absorb impact while they "shave" or wear down on the pavement or whatever they go down on (also absorbing energy). If the sliders were aluminum or harder this risk would be much greater. That's also why we recently opted for stronger hardware. This was designed to keep the base (and the engine case) in tact while the sliders to the work. That being said, these case sliders can't be expected to be a "force-field" for your engine cases. Things get very unpredictable at higher speeds (road surface effects, flipping, etc) so the sliders cannot be expected to save your engine cases in every situation but we intend for them to give your engine cases a better chance at survival than if they were not there. " Since no-one has offered to lay their bike down for me (nor would I expect anyone to) and since any experimental test is only as good as its setup (see above on the unpredictability of a crash) we have used sound engineering principals and selected our materials based on material properties and benchmarks of other products that have been "real-life tested" to produce the best product possible and minimize the risk of undue damage to your machine. I'm curious...Since my competition has fielded similar products, are there any real life testimonials to their products (good or bad)? I haven't seen any myself... (Message edited by 50dro on May 14, 2012) | ||
| Earwig |
Do these things cure cancer or even PROTECT against AIDS? I didn't think so... gtfo. | ||
| Team_ruthless |
I already have the corner picked out. I will go low side and test these provided they are sent to me for free and no one tells my insurance company about this post. | ||
| 50dro |
You guys are funny!  | ||
| Xxxue |
10mm frame mounted slider bolts have a rating of 45-50 ft/lbs Your mounting a slider to alloy plate 3 - 4 1/4" grade five bolts that only have a 5-6 ft/lb torque rating, for a cummunlative amount of 15-20lbs of force per mounting bracket. Another point to mention is that most of the bracket mounted no cut frame sliders on jap bikes often fail or break right off at the alloy bracket. | ||
| 50dro |
Not sure why you are carrying this conversation over two threads but I will reply here where you initially posted. With all due respect, your analysis of this is flawed. Here's why: First...you are assuming that we are using grade 5 bolts. Incorrect assumption. We are using bolts that are equivalent grade to what Buell put on there (which is grade 8) Second...you are using the torque specs to calculate the overall clamping force and strength of the joint and bolt. Torque doesn't work that way. Think about it...you're saying that you can pull out (or snap) 3-4 bolts off with 20 pounds of force. Simply not true. I'm not exactly sure what your reference point is when you speak of "Jap sliders" but in many cases those may be aluminum in which case nearly all the impact force is directed to the hardware and mounting system. We use an engineered resin that will absorb a lot of that impact by being compliant and shredding away (I mentioned this in my earlier post). Unfortunately, on our Buells there aren't many points to mount this type of protection so we are left to work with what we have. There are different offerings out there but there are concerns with them as well. Not everyone wants (or needs) a full stunt cage. Bottom line is that there is ALWAYS a certain amount of risk when crashing a motorcycle. These have been designed to mitigate that risk. If you crash hard enough to damage your cases with these parts on, there's a pretty good chance that you cases would have been damaged in that crash anyway. If you don't feel that these mitigate this risk and you are more comfortable with assuming the risk of not having protection then this product isn't for you. Thanks! | ||
| Wildman4x4nut |
I'll take a set but I am not going to crash my bike to test them out for you. I hope to never have to try them out but will be happy to know they are there just in case. If they work as intended great and if they snap off the bolts then so be it. I would have had case damage without them installed anyhow. I don't understand the hate for someone sporting a new product, if you don't like it just say so or NOT and don't buy it. If you do like it comment and if you can buy it. Unless you can prove your statements I would think you should back off. 5-0dro is correct there is more to 4 bolts holding something on than the 20 ft lbs of torque per bolt. Can you break just one bolt torqued down correctly with 20 or 30 ft lbs of force? Nope I don't think so. I guess if I ever dump my bike we'll know if these work. And I am sure there are a few others who are going to buy these. | ||
| 50dro |
Thanks Wildman! Order received!  | ||
| Skully |
Xxx - bolt strength is a function of the material it is made from. The torque it is tightened to determines the preload or clamping force placed on the items in the bolt's grip. I can't speak for this particular design but I can tell you from experience selling thousands of sliders, they are very cheap insurance. I received many emails that started with "I never got around to buying sliders. Now I've dropped my bike and scratched the swing arm..." Keith DarkHorseMoto | ||
| Xxxue |
Do your case sliders have an internal aluminum core to provide support, during the impact. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Those are sweet!! Wish I could use them...full fairing would cover them up though. Will probably be grabbing a pair of the axle sliders though and that badass pulley cover! (Message edited by b00stzx3 on May 15, 2012) | ||
| 50dro |
Xxxue: Steel B00stzx3: Thank you! I have those in stock and ready to go! Let us know when you're ready. | ||
| Xxxue |
By steel do you mean a steel washer or actual steel core support, if so can you give approximate dimensions of the steel core support. An actual photo of the steel core would be sufficient. The main reason I'm asking this is because most quality slider pucks are integrated with a large aluminum core to provide support for the puck. If the puck if made of delrin and only supported by the material itself and a washer,then the delrin will tend to break away easily. | ||
| Joel9 |
Xxxue, why don't you make your own since you know how they should be made. Sheeeez! | ||
| Wildman4x4nut |
Joel9, Totally agree.......................It is getting real old watching X try and put down this product. As Thumper was told "If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all" Maybe he needs to watch Bambi again? 5-0dro, You're doing a better job than I would with people. I would have told a few to get bent 15 posts ago. It is just crazy. | ||
| Xxxue |
Whats the problem with asking how they are made for products overall construction. In the T-Rex sliders ad, they give a very good description of the the buyer will receive. The buyer should know exactly what they are getting for the money. http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Rex-Buell-08-on-XB12X-XB 12S-XB12R-08-on-XB9SX-XB9R-Frame-Sliders-/30068384 7008?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460 2276560&vxp=mtr | ||
| Doz |
I feel like ordering a set just to piss off X ! Hey Skully- really like your stuff too! Got the econo axle sliders on 2 of my xb's- need another set tho. Seriously considering these 5-0 products for my track bike. The promo still good? | ||
| Xxxue |
What would probably work better for a case slider design, would be something similar to the woodcraft clutch and stator cover protects, by only a small cover that mimics , half of the impact area of the cover, along with a removable rectangular skip pad. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-CBR-600RR-03-06-WOOD CRAFT-CLUTCH-ENGINE-COVER-/300423937377#vi-content | ||
| 50dro |
Trying to take the high road... It's not just a washer...I'll post full engineering drawings at a later date...NOT! That's T-Rex's prerogative on giving that much detail. How many times are you gonna post a link to their product?!?!? How long have you been working for them?  Promotion price ($120) is still good until the first products ship which will likely be Friday or Saturday if all goes as expected. "Badweb" coupon is always good for a few bucks off of your order. 5-0dro t-shirts are on the site for only $10 with the purchase of any product (after I refund $5 due to site glitch). 5-0dro www.5-0dro.com | ||
| Joel9 |
Xxxue, do you work for ebay or something? what would "work better" is if you would quit posting ebay links in 50dro's thread. or make your OWN sliders. double sheeeez! | ||
| Wildman4x4nut |
5-0dro, Not a problem with the order. I will be getting your pulley guard in the next few months too. Just didn't have the funds for both today or I would have combined to save you a little shipping. I can look at your pictures and know from past experience that your products are good so I don't feel the need for a 100% breakdown of how your put every item together. If when the items get here and I have an issue I would then send a email or phone call. X,make your own junk and leave this thread alone how about? I mean REALLY!!! How many people have to ask you to stop? And it is really great that 5-0dro is taking the high road. I know I wouldn't but I have mental issues too. | ||
| Cityxruss |
50dro, with all the "x" distraction, don't forget to post the pics of the actual production units mounted on a Buell. Thanks. | ||
| 50dro |
Thanks Wildman! Let me know when you're ready for the pulley cover. They're stocked and ready to ship! Cityx: will do on the pics. We should have the final hardware today so I can do so at least on the left side and the right for th 2003-07 models. The 08+ oil pump side pics will have to wait until one of you guys send me a pic  | ||
| 50dro |
The hardware has arrived! They look good! For those of you that ordered a set, look for tracking information by the weekend! Any of you that are considering ordering, the discounted price will be good until the first one ships! 5-0dro www.5-0dro.com | ||
| Schwara |
I think I'll be interested at some point but seeing how Penny is down for clutch repairs at the moment I'll have to wait because of $$. I will be interested to see the production models installed from a few different angles though so for those of you who are getting the deal right now please post some pics. Thanks | ||
| 50dro |
Thanks Schwara! I'll definitely be posting more pics as I install them on my bike as I'm sure others will in time. Let me know when you're ready... |
