| Author | Message | ||
     Buellgator |
My heads, pistons, and cylinders showed up today  . The heads look phenomenal. Throttle body is being sent back ASAP according to the invoice. Thank you to everyone from NRHS that helped me out with my silly questions. Now if Force just hurries up with my pipe...  | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
well at least u can start putting it back togeather | ||
| Misato |
I hate you | ||
| Misato |
of course I'm just jealous.. SWEET!  | ||
| Darthane |
wait 'til his force breaks a few times and you won't feel so bad.  | ||
| Evil_twin |
Gator, I for one really want to know how it goes. I posted about this on another thread. Rich  | ||
| Johnnyxb9 |
I have pictures of the new force pipe. Looks like it just might stand up. It has 3 spring loaded joints for flex. John at force is really excited about its release. Claiming 90rwHP | ||
| Buellgator |
Rich I made a promise that when I first decided to do this that you guys would be second to know the outcome(local Buell Board will be first) after I have the thing dyno tuned. If I can't post up the chart I will find someone who can. | ||
| Misato |
ya, I'll put it up.. when is this going together? you doing the work? how much did it cost? | ||
| Buellgator |
Going together as soon as all of the parts are here. My brother, a friend of ours, and I are doing the work. Cost was parts(I'm thinking all together right around $3-3500), time down, and I have to buy the beer and dinner any night that we work on it(sometimes it is good to know hungry alcoholic technicians  ) | ||
| Fbolt |
Being technically inept, I wouldn't know what the heck to do to the bike such as porting/polishing, etc... Someone help me out. I believe that p/p would produce an engine that burns fuel more efficiently and therefore create more power. Is this correct? What gains would you get out of that? By replacing the heads (larger ones?)and getting lightweight/stronger pistons, what type of gains would you expect? Call me ignorant... | ||
| Glitch |
Is this correct?Yes. What gains would you get out of that?You answered your own question. larger ones?No. Call me ignorant...If you mean uninformed OK. Take a visit to the Knowledge Vault and pay attention to anything posted by Aaron. The knowledge you seek is there already. The BadWeB is not information poor. | ||
| Darthane |
You should give the boys at NHRS a call, Fbolt. Aaron and those guys/gals will happily answer your questions and won't steer you wrong. Yes, porting and polishing produces cleaner, more complete combustion and thus more power. Lighter pistons and rods will let the engine rev quicker, and possibly reduce power loss due to drag (dunno 'bout that one). As Aaron, or anyone else, for that matter, will point out, though, your engine is only as good as the worst part on it. You can spend $5000 on ported and polished heads and lighter pistons, but if your intake/exhaust is still restrictive or the cams are wrong, you won't be any farther ahead than someone that slapped a $600 muffler/ECM/K&N on the bike. For serious power production you need to match components, and talk to someone who knows a lot about it before spending any money. | ||
| Darthane |
Damn! Glitch beat me to it that time... ...great minds, Glitch, great minds... | ||
| Hogs |
Fbolt its almost impossible to tell someone "how" to port and polish over the net,phone etc. Its a hands on job looking under someone that knows how to flow, having said that if one goes into the ports very gently and ONLY and i mean only clean up the casting marks etc. and use the right grits of paper on the intake and ehxaust sides etc. one can do a pretty good job themselfs and save mega dollars ..IF one thinks its rocket science their Wrong.. Sure to get that extra tenth of a second or whatever yeah thats when flow benches etc.etc. come into play.. | ||
| Glitch |
I can't wait to meet you. Do you think all we'll have to do is look at each other. We may be the quietest two there, and communicate the most! | ||
| Darthane |
LOL...probably. It'll freak everyone out! My g/f can't make it this time, and she really wants to go back down to that area, so we may be back before the year is out. | ||
| Glitch |
so we may be back before the year is out. Just let me know if and when, maybe I'll be able to help with lodging, tour guide, ect | ||
| Alex |
@ Hogs: You said:"IF one thinks its rocket science their Wrong.. Sure to get that extra tenth of a second or whatever yeah thats when flow benches etc.etc. come into play.." I say: You donīt have a flow bench, do You? Sometimes it is rocket science. I will give You an example: A stock EVO Big Twin exhaust flows around 90 to 95CFM at 10" and .500 lift depending on the cast. Now if You use the right grid of paper and gently remove all casting marks, smooth the guide boss and polish it if You like, what would be the result? It will still flow around 90 to 95 CFM. If I will rework the head the exhaust will flow around 120 CFM at 10" and .500 lift with only slight modifications where the port meets the seat insert and no modifications to the rest of the port at all. I will even use a smaller valve and the seat insert is not opened up. Instead I spend a lot of time with seat angles and combustion chamber shape around the ex valve. Do You think I could have found this without using a flow bench? Not really. Still Youīre right that just gently reworking the ports sometimes results in some gains. On the other hand if You want big gains You need to know what to do. This does not necessarily mean that You need to completely reshape a port. Some ports are quite close to beeing good while others are far apart. A TwinCam intake port for example needs much more rework than a Buell Thunderstorm port. Knowing which area of a port needs to be reshaped certainly is some kind of science. For all those who want to do their own port work: stick with Hogīs advice. Gently clean the ports and donīt go wild. You may end up with ports much worse than stock even if they might look really hot. If You want real power from Your head leave it to a Pro. Best regards Alex M-TeK Engineering | ||
| Hogs |
Hey Alex, I agree with ya a 100%, its the same old rule one can increase their power outputs from stock up to a point for so many $$$$, with add ons,etc.etc. Once you reach that point, however, to make any MORE gains thats when one should have Deep pockets ($$$$$$)who ever said going racing is cheap must be sniffing to many of them fumes...and thats the point I was trying to make with regards to P&P.Simple clean up of casting marks on all intakes and exhaust and polishing the exhaust to a mirror finish I might add.Your correct no flow bench just been around ppl. cleaning up ports for Top Fuel HArleys..Then again NITRO sure makes POWER :-)another old saying ...GAs for washing parts, Alcohol for Drinking,And NITRO for RAcing :-) |
