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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What would you have preferred? The city deals are ok if you are into pseudo motocross & 12 years old. What about those of us who arent into neon lights & brush guards?

This is my idea, & I reserve the right to add to it as I wish: D

Lightning with the firebolt rear, 1350cc motor with a simple reset button for the tps. Minimum of 110rwhp, 95+ ft lbs torque, 150 mph top end. Make it all black, frame, plastic, wheels, even the handlebars. Adding a 6th gear because Luke thought of it & its a great idea.

Just added the welded on frame slider bungs that were mentioned later on in this thread.
Name it the XBH1300.

The H stands for Hell raiser.



edited by dynarider on July 17, 2004
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

u got me sold when they comin out with it??????
ha ha ha
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A Firebolt done up the same way but keep the Firebolt front end and riding position. Black forks, black everything.
Factory flames would be great as an option for me!

Dave
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

that one sounds nicer ill trade my bike and my truck if they would come out with that one
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

See, it isnt that damn hard to come up with a bike that would sell like water in the desert.

Why doesnt HD/Buell marketing pay attention? And to disclaim the present owners as not being worthy to consult...why not? I realize that some people hold onto bikes for a long time, but quite a few trade them in every few years or simply add to the collection. I tend to get a new bike every couple years myself, in the last 7 years I have bought 4, while selling off 3 older ones.

Its a lot easier to keep happy customers coming back & buying more product, than it is to draw new customers into the family. if the goal is to sell 8000 bikes, why should Buell care if they sell all of them to new customers as opposed to selling them to present owners who simply want to upgrade to the newer/better/faster, model?
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Lpowel02
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

add a sixth gear to that list and I'm in!!!
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Coldwthrrider
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And I suppose you want all that for under $10k? Bigger is always better right?

Not a bad idea for people who like big engine customs, but I would prefer something similar to the 9R with a higher redline that results in more power. That would keep the weight down and go farther in each gear so you don't bump into the darn rev limiter so quick! I'd imagine a Buell DOHC 1000cc could manage 100rhhp. Add a 6th gear and everyone who thinks they need to race up to 140mph could keep up with their Gixxer friends. Call it the XB10RF (Rice Fighter).

All in due time, give it a few more years for them to catch up to the high standard they set with the XB. I'm sure there will be new engines to go along with this great frame. If it takes a few years then many of us may actually buy one! I bought my 9R planning to keep it for a long time so I'm not even considering a different bike for a while.
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Glitch
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When figuring how to get more RWHP you have to find the restricting factor.
I look at it the same with Buell and new models.
I think they are doing what they can with what they have on hand. I'd bet it wasn't an easy task getting HD to do the 984 or the radical change from tube to fuel in frame. So the next big change will probably take as long IMHO.

See, it isnt that damn hard to come up with a bike that would sell like water in the desert.
Maybe the BadWeB desert, but they have to look outside that sand box too.
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Buellgator
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd like to see this added to the line-up not actually replace anything:

60-90* Twin
DOHC
6 speed
120-130hp
75-80 ft.-lbs.
Liquid Cooled 900-1000cc
and
Dirt Bikes, not the new XB9, I mean honest to god dirt bikes.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

id like to see buell maybe do something with maybe the ol vr1000 powerplant i mean it couldnt have been that bad it did after all keep up with the other superbikes in the mid 90's though it was never in contention for anything but its a start that im sure mr buell could work on seeing as how he improved on the evo after all
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Jscott
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Something that looks like the FX bikes Hals and Kosco are campaigning in AMA. Fully faired, Ohlins suspension front and rear, 1350cc, eight piston front caliper with lights and signals, Thrust Blue w/ amber wheels and screen, and tasteful graphics.
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Jscott
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Or instead of the 1350cc aircooled, they could always update that nova v4 that nobody's using and put it under that fairing.
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Ingemar
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

10k rev limit, smooth 6 gearbox, liquid cooled, good for 100+rwhp, 80+ft-lb flatline torque. I consider anything above 1000cc overkill fot < 400 lbs sportsbike.

The reset button for the tps is really nice.

Steering damper would be nice, and maybe they could reconsider the geometry and make some small changes to it to make it less sensitive to a not-near-perfect suspension setup. I mean, the extend that people need to go through to make it perform up to par with the jappies is just too much.

Ergonomics of the firebolt are just PERFECT!

More color options.

My 2 cents,
Ingemar.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

why dont we all just say screw it and have mr buell throw us a jet powered bike in the mix like the y2k think thats enuff power for everyone???
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Two_buells
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Suspension and handling of my Firebolt.
The throttle response of my Mikuni HSR 42 carb on my 98 S1 Lightning
110 rear wheel HP

interchangable tail sections
Lightning (single seat, short tail)
Firebolt (just looks cool)
Thunderbolt with hard bags (two-up riding with a place to put your stuff)




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Kaudette
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

An XB12 with:

Stronger/lighter connecting rods, lighter valve train, higher perf heads & exhaust set-up, better Rubber (Pirelli or other), factory option for stiffer springs, and a black or silver motor and rims (get rid of the magnesium color & amber rims)

Target 110 crank - 90 rwhp and 5% more torque. Plus up the rev limiter from 6800 to 7500+ on the 12's and 7500 to 8000+ on the 9's. If that entails reworking the stroke/bore, so be it.

Steady improvement for next 24 months in this direction.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The current line of XB12's are making 90 rwhp in stock form.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would definitely vote for a 1350cc version of the XB12R.

How about a 675cc Thumper Street-Tracker, say around 350 LB's wet with 50+ rwhp.
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

formula Xtreme buell race replica, full fairing, factory colors, black wheels, 1350cc, six speed
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Lightisright
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with Dyna, exactly. All black, all torque, chopped rear.
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Tatsu
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Okay..I'll jump in on this...

Steering Damper.
Fuel Count DOWN indicator not Up to let me know when I am gonna flame out.
More hp and more mph.. 120hp 150mph is cool with me
Digital Instrument Cluster..(digital speed and tach with a blue back lighting)
Single arm swing arm for that really naked look..
The new black rims......
Auto TPS reset would be sweet.
Smaller turn signals.....
A slightly larger airbox, so I can lay on top of it better.
Better cooling system..(or a quieter fan)
Frame slider mounting points...
A sick sounding pipe dual exhaust pipe that sounds like what a American Muscle Bike should sound like , not a Singer Sewing machine.
Option for both headlights to come on without high beams.

Okay that's it for now
Semper Fi
Tatsu

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Kaudette
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake - make that 90 for the 984 and 110 for the 1203.
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M1combat
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No, he had it right... The 1203's make what 103 or 105 at the crank?
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Unibear12r
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I had the money one of each please!
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd be in for that 675cc thumper street tracker right now. make it look like flat tracker bare bones wet weight below 385lbs.

But thats the mood I am in right now
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Trenchtractor
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys are crazy...

There used to be rumours of a V-Rod powered XB. I'm sure they were just made up, but imagine it...

I love my XB, now that I've got motoX 'bars and the "R" tail on it.



Has any of you actually had a straight line race with a V-Rod?? Those things fairly well rock along, and they are in a mild state of tune.

I'm telling you, if Buell got to do some tuning work on that bad boy and jam it in an XB chassis, the XB11 that would result would be dead set awesome.

Bring some of that on... And give Fuel Injection with a tunable ECM, or a cost effective tunable race ECM.

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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brad, those arent just rumors. Revo powered XB mule bikes do exist, just a matter of when or rather if we will ever see them in a dealership.

But I think a 110rwhp V-twin air cooled motor with 110ft lbs torque would be mucho fun in the stoplight gran prix: D
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Curtyd
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

300 lb.'s or so,
on/off road bike,
6 gallon tank,
luggage racks,
skid plates,
based on the XB platform to keep it small.
100hp at the wheel.

I think the present motor has the potential to be maintenance free and dead bang reliable to make that trip to Mexico City or to Juneau, or everywhere in between. Out GS the BMW's and keep it small and light,

OK, 350 lbs. MAX.
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Curtyd
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

350 lbs. MAX, with fluids, including gas. PRETTY PLEEZ...
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Spike
Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know it's slightly off topic, but I thought it would fit in with the recent V-rod posts.

Did anybody else notice the Screamin' Eagle V-rod this year? 1250cc, ported heads, different cam timing, etc. Harley is claiming a 10% increase in power. If that's accurate, we should see an honest 115rwhp with stock pipes. Open the exhaust and intake and we should be in the 120rwhp range. I still think it'll be quite a while before anything wearing a Buell badge carries this motor, but it's exciting to watch the development.
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