| Author | Message | ||
     Gonen60 |
talking about the XB/SX..he states, it's a city cross bike, like doing motorcross in the city..He goes on to say, if you want to ride what everyone else is riding, get a race replica, and pretend your a road racer, but in reality your really riding down main street....so let me understand this erik, you would rather pretend you are riding supercross in the city..he even refers to the new tires, as dirtbike type tires, or something to that effect. I am just very confused...the formula xtreme teams are doing very well, why not build on the momentum and offer some buell hot rod hop up parts...why swing toward dressing up the XB as a super motard/motocross/city cross thing... | ||
| 420at145mph |
XB12CG  | ||
| M1combat |
"the formula xtreme teams are doing very well" Nobody knows that yet... Have you ever jumped off a curb? Drove a cross a little grass to skip a red light? HAVE YOU EVER RODE ON DIRT!? That bike rocks for where I live. Yeah, I know it's just hand guards, but it's the principle.. | ||
| 420at145mph |
uh couldnt u put some cattlegaurds and dirt tires on your bike and be set ? and they are doing pretty good considering theyve finished in the top 10 every race theyve raced in and missed the first 2 races of the season and this is the first year of them even being on the scene edited by 420at145mph on July 16, 2004 | ||
| Socoken |
why swing toward dressing up the XB as a super motard/motocross/city cross thing... cause supermotard is HUGE right now. hand guards make some sense for city driving, that way if you bumped a mirror while lane-splitting, you wouldnt inadvertently lock the front brakes. seems like people are making too big of a deal out of this citycross bike. its just cosmetics for crying out loud, either you like it, or you dont. so what? the thing that i like about it, is it is styled towards, i wont say designed for, a seemingly untapped niche. | ||
| Barkandbite |
Have you ever jumped off a curb? Drove a cross a little grass to skip a red light? HAVE YOU EVER RODE ON DIRT!? That bike rocks for where I live. Yeah, I know it's just hand guards, but it's the principle.. Yes I have -- on my freakin' dirt bike, since that's what it's MADE for. Oh...my...God... You jumped on me in another post because I said I like the Ducati Monster...sounds like you've got offroad envy, brother! Go buy a gas-gas then...since it's the PRINCIPLE of the thing...I can see where brushguards and knuckle-clips on a Buell would empower anyone to run the Baja 1000  | ||
| 420at145mph |
i like the tank bra thingy i THINK everything else...........  | ||
| M1combat |
you mean the "dear Mr. Buell thread"? I jumped on you for bashing Erik because YOU don't like the new bike. Some will. Plenty I'm sure. | ||
| Barkandbite |
M1 -- I didn't know that you and Mr. Buell were on a first name basis... That's right, I don't like the new bike. I think it looks like azz. Last time I peeked over my shoulder, I was still in the U.S. and unless Blake has moved the server to Baghdad, my opinion is just as valid as yours. How I choose to express that opinion is also up to me. You are under no obligation to agree. But please, unless you have dinner with "Erik" on Sundays, sharpen his pencils or had something to do with the design of the knuckle protectors, chill out on the "coming to rescue princess Erik" drama...I'm sure he can stick up for himself if he's interested. For some reason you take personal offense at my opinion (which is in no way directed at you specifically but rather at a motorcycle model that you don't even own!,) but it seems this is not a two-way street. Take shots all day long, bro. I respect your points, your opinions and I welcome them. Quid Pro Quo. Chris | ||
| Ingemar |
I'm LMAO over you guys. But I have to second this line from Gonen60's post: if you want to ride what everyone else is riding, get a race replica, and pretend your a road racer, but in reality your really riding down main street....so let me understand this erik, you would rather pretend you are riding supercross in the city.. Hit the nail right on the head IYAM. | ||
| Budo |
'Have you ever jumped off a curb? Drove a cross a little grass to skip a red light? HAVE YOU EVER RODE ON DIRT!? ' Yes I have and do on a 2002 FZ1 Yamaha. What is your point? I rode down and back up a steep gravel access road just to see how the bike would handle it. Worked ok, not great but ok. You may try to justify it any you want but $11k (MSRP I know they can be had for much less) for a underpowered, odd to setup handling, iffy reliabilty, bike is suspect at best. It is youre money, by all means spend it on whatever makes you happy. I would like very much for Buell to build a bike that is comparable with the Suzuki SV1000, which I think is a good target. But it is not gonna happen. Sure Erik could design and build such a bike. But he is not, I am not sure that anyone here can know why, either he chooses not to, or he is not permitted to by whoever controls those funds. Look at what Aprilla had accomplished in a few years. They went from a scooter manufacturer to building world class winning super bikes at what I consider to be affordable prices. Now they are in financial trouble. HD has plenty of cash, if they wanted to, they could build a SV1000 beater. Someone please tell me why they don't. | ||
| M1combat |
Bark - I don't take personal offense at your opinion. I just can't understand why you would bash Erik and the bike because you don't like it. State that you don't like it, fine. I can accept that. But why bash Erik because he didn't design a bike that YOU wanted. Sounds like you took personal offense to me but hey, to each their own I guess... As far as being on a first name basis... Everything I've heard about "Mr.Buell" tells me that's what he would prefer, as opposed to Mr. Honda etc... That's one of the nice things about Buell. Budo - Just my opinion here... I don't see how you can figure that the Buell is underpowered... It gets up and goes quite nicely IMO. Also, every time I touch the suspension it does pretty much exactly what I want it to. When it doesn't, I can always retrace my decision path that led ME to make the wrong decision. My bike handles quite well. When you mention iffy reliability I can only assume that you are uninformed. JD power and associates has rated the XB line as one of the most reliable and trouble free bikes made. When it comes to building a bike that's comparable to an SV1K I just don't get it... Why? You have to rev those things out to get to your power band. It's not as good of a street engine. More power... sure, but what's the point? It's less drivable on twisty roads and doesn't look anywhere near as cool (IMO) and doesn't handle the same. I think you miss the point of Buell's design philosophy. That's cool, go buy a SV1000 and trade it in if Buell does make a copy of it. If Buell doesn't make the bike you want, why bitch about Buell? Go buy what you want. Have you ridden an XB on a twisty road? Even if you have, if you haven't put a good deal of miles on one you are missing out. | ||
| Raraf |
I have an 03 XB9S because there were no 04 XB9S to be found in the US. This new model must be Buell giving up/postponing on the American market and focusing on Europe. I heard the 9s sold well there. I bet a BMW F650CS was in their research room too. Too bad, Mr. Buell. Next time release little fanfare on the US website if you are not targeting Americans. | ||
| Barkandbite |
Bark - I don't take personal offense at your opinion. I just can't understand why you would bash Erik and the bike because you don't like it. State that you don't like it, fine. I can accept that. But why bash Erik because he didn't design a bike that YOU wanted. Sounds like you took personal offense to me but hey, to each their own I guess... Illuminate me by giving me an example of how I "bashed" Mr. (Erik) Buell. I bashed the bike. I don't like it. You equate the machine with the man and seem to have trouble discerning the two. The only thing I specifically directed to Mr. Buell is the following: "...man did you ever take a hit in the credibility department. This is a f---ing joke. No power increase, no useful improvements, very little "evolution" let alone "revolution." " It's my opinion, and I'm afforded the liberty to express it. I'd say it to his face if he were standing here next to me because that's how I feel. If you don't feel that way, great. Move on, dude. This record's done played out. I don't take offense to anything you've said. You're inventing emotional reactions that simply don't exist. I could give a rat's patooty about Erik Buell. I bought a motorcycle, not a fanclub pass to kiss someone's ••• becuase their name is on the product. I think it's neat that he does what he likes and he formed a company that builds a PRODUCT that I happend to enjoy. Is he a celebrity!? Not in my book. M1, Defend the bike, since that's what I "attacked," not "Erik." Chris | ||
| Court |
As far as being on a first name basis... Everything I've heard about "Mr.Buell" tells me that's what he would prefer, as opposed to Mr. Honda etc... That's one of the nice things about Buell. For what it's worth Erik Buell is a very nice person. For what it's worth I have several friends who are execs with the Honda R&D center in Torrance, CA. They are nice people..... I know, I know, most you folks have heard me use this B. C. Forbes quote for years but... Simple. | ||
| Spiderman |
I think every one here (that is knockin Erik) needs to start their own MC company an let me know how there doin in 20 years. Everyone is complaning that there is nothing new an big!?! Do you remeber from 99 to 01??? Blast, M2, X1, S3(T) Get over it an be patient. Erik has jumped lightspeed ahead of the competition with the fuel in frame, oil in swing arm concept. And a Little FYI the Fuel in Frame was applied for Patent in 1988. I think BMC knows a little about this MC game. Get over it and Cut Erik a break. | ||
| Bomber |
I've met both -- both were gracious, acted interested in what I had to say to them (which, all who know me will tell you is a trial), and clearly loved what they did in their lives . . . . Posted in a local watering hole "gentlemen will behave. Others must." appropos of nothing, to most, I 'm sure | ||
| Gonen60 |
Speaking for myself, I am not knocking buell, just questioning the logic behind the madness. At least to me it's madness. in a perfect world, the Buell formula Xtreme R&D will start reaching us sport riders on the street level. I am a sportbike rider at heart, not a CityCross rider. erik buell has stated before concerning naked street fighters, only the bare-basics are needed. stripped down and tough. I say, why frost it up with mesh light coverings and pirate sword hand protectors..Again, just my observation and thoughts. If you dig the new breed of Buell, citycross to your hearts content | ||
| Road_thing |
"gentlemen will behave. Others must."  | ||
| Anonymous |
Hey Spidey - FYI: the XB Fuel in frame patent was actually applied for in 2001 and granted on Nov 26, 2002 (US Patent #6,484,837 B1)  edited by blake on July 17, 2004 | ||
| Mookie |
im not knocking erik but i will say that the new s is ugly. transparent? ugh. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
u know u people whine alot no one is forcing any one to buy the new sx i personally think the new transparent bule stuff looks neat and was wondering if they sell the air box | ||
| Outrider |
the XB Fuel in frame patent was actually applied for in 2001 and granted on Nov 26, 2002 Probably granted because none of the custom chopper guys were straight enough or cared enough to contest with the "Prior Art" provision. However, if another manufacturer wanted to, I would think they could bust that patent relatively easily. | ||
| Glitch |
and was wondering if they sell the air box Parts is parts, yoy'll be able o buy the parts you want soon enough. Maybe in different colors even. | ||
| Daves |
206.95 list price on the new air box cover. 10% Badweb discount! If you want one give me a call! 1-866-757-1651 Dave daves@h-dappleton.com | ||
| Spiderman |
Hey Spidey - FYI: the XB Fuel in frame patent was actually applied for in 2001 and granted on Nov 26, 2002 (US Yeah thats the new re-vamped frame. The OG first Fuel in Frame, frame was submited for patnt in 1988 look closer. | ||
| Glitch |
If you want one give me a call! Toldja! | ||
| Spiderman |
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtm l/search-bool.html&r=22&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1='buell,+erik'&OS="buell,+erik"&RS="buell,+erik" Cut an paste the whole addy There ya go it was actually 1989. Don't mess with me an Buell quizes | ||
| Glitch |
 The XBR? Wow Spidey you do know your Buell! | ||
| Davegess |
<Probably granted because none of the custom chopper guys were straight enough or cared enough to contest with the "Prior Art" provision. However, if another manufacturer wanted to, I would think they could bust that patent relatively easily.> Erik knows more about patent law that most folks and also knows the best attorneys in the biz, his dad was one of them. I strongly suspect that patent is airtight, Erik learned the hard way how you can get around patents. |
