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Rokoneer
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Regarding the frame sliders that are on the Hal's race bike, and nearly every other XB that is used as a track bike: How are they mounted? I've seen dozens of pictures of them showing the slider itself, but usually the fairing hides seeing the slider mount. Do they heliarc a mount onto the bottom edge of the frame?

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Bads1
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There welded on.But you can replace the slider itself in a mishap.
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Barkandbite
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm not sure I'd like to guineau-pig someone heliarc welding one of those to my frame! I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be covered under warranty! ; )

I'm still feeling out the LSL crash pads I just mounted. I figure those, in combination with the Trojan C/F sliders ought to save the frame at least...

Chris
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its not the welding I am worried about...its the sealent inside the tank that I am worried about. My Gf suggested Tig welding the tabs on. She is a certified welder who sat there and shook her head at the welds on the outside of the frame saying she could do them smoother and more flush : D
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Jasonblue
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Isn't heliarc and tig welding one in the same. Looks like the frame welds are done with a mig gun. (wire feed)
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420at145mph
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

some of my frame welds are pretty sloppy too
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't weld so I didn't know there wasn't any difference.
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Jasonblue
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reason I say the frame was mig gun welded is because on some of my welds they didn't even grind off some of the splatter or as we call it "buckshot" In the world of welding, on this type of product, that is very poor craftsmenship.

Just talkin about the welds.
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Jasonblue
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 03:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now that I think about it, about a week ago I was looking at one of the welds. They actually started the weld about 3/4" away from the joint and ran the bead all the way too the joint where they started the penitration.

Very,very sloppy. That also should have been properly cleaned up before being sent to paint.
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

By the time you're getting ready to weld on slider mounts you're probably already past the point of voiding any warranty. The ones who have done and can do a good job of welding on the slider mounts also can take care of the sealant inside the cavity after the welding.

Wycked,
Can she weld them smoother and more flush at a production volume rate and get the same strength value from the job? No question that a good welder can do a better looking job one frame at a time. Talk her into starting to build bicycle frames, there's a good but small market if she can come up with good geometry.
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Chgojim
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

mikej-

you got mail
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

oh oh
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whew, thought I was in trouble.
Email coming back your way soon.
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Chgojim
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks mike
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No problem. Probably see you around up here one of these days at one of the gatherings.
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Chgojim
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks again
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