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Firebolt020283
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well today I was supposed to do the eRc course and I show up for it and cut my bike off for a second then I turn it back on to show my lights and the low beam would not come on along with tail light so I start it up and then the low beam came on but not the tail light and then I cut it off for a minute or two then I go to start it back up to leave because the guy said I can't take the course today and it won start. The fuel pump won't prime either
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I found it is popping the ignition fuse as soon as I turn the key on it that helps diagnose the situation. I am really in a bind as I am stuck in a parking lot so any help to get me home would be great
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some one please please help it is beginning to get hot and I hate sitting here unable to do anything
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Fast1075
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check where the wiring harness goes around the negative battery terminal...mine rubbed thru and shorted the wire to ground.
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Jcbikes
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Also check the battery wires that they are tight connecting to the battery. How old is the battery?
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well update I am no longer sitting with my bike in a parking lot I got my wife to come and get me then I went and got a uhaul trailer to pick my bike up so it is now home.

Here in a little bit I will take the body off and start looking at wires.

The battery is less than a month old.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have been all over this stupid bike tracing wires and I for the life of me cannot find this wire that is causing me this issue. I am sure it is in the most obvious place but does anyone have any suggestions as to were to look so I can concentrate on that that area.

(Message edited by firebolt020283 on June 22, 2010)
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Ulynut
Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check the wires around the steering head really good. Possibly a broken wire inside an otherwise pristine looking wire covering.

Do the "wiggle check" around there by wiggling the wires with the key on.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 12:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ok current update someone from another buell site suggested taking the the ignition relay out of the bike to see if the fuse still blows when turning my key on and so I did. That did make the fuse not blow any more so I am waiting on him to tell me the next step to his idea as to how to fix this issue.
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Rsh
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had a similar situation a few years back.
If it is a 2003 XB9R with the original speed sensor, disconnect it, replace the fuse and and see if the fuel pump primes, then try starting it.
If disconnecting the speed sensor cure's the problem, buy a new speed sensor.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am going to punch something if it is the speed sensor as this will piss me off for me not changing it sooner. It has not been working for a while now but figured It was not important.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well I will go buy some more fuses tomorrow and test your solution.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

before you throw away more fuses, do this:
Take one of your blown fuses out and connect it to an old headlight bulb.
Then plug it in instead of a new fuse.
If it lights up bright, it would be a short.
That way you can wiggle stuff to find your enemy.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ok so the speed sensor was not the issue so I am back to the drawing board.
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Brumbear
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK its in the ign so whats there on key on
first
disconect fuel pump fuse try ign on see what happens then
disconnect head light check disconent taillight check
disconnect ic check
if all of the above are disconnected you A know they are not the problem and B are getting closer then coil or switch also check the kill switch possibly shorting on the handlebar
Thats all I can think of
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok unplugged all of the above and it wants to start minus having no fuel
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok so tried plugging the headlights bake in and it popes the unplugged those and plugged up fuel pump and it starts and runs
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok so i took my headlight assembly apart and traced it's wires and they are all fine so were should I be looking for this evil wire
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I guess the question should be do I need to take the cover off the wires below the key switch and inspect those?
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Brumbear
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

plug back in everything but the headlight and makes sure it works all but the head light then you know for SURE where your problem is halogen lights will sometimes melt the connecters and short out I believe they are H-7 on the XB's
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I looked in the manuel and it said they are h3 bulbs. But any way here is some pictures of the things I see that may possibly be the issues with the headlights.

first up is a picture of a wire that has lost some insulation:


second is a bulb that has the end all bent up:


Third picture is of the other bulb which seems not bent up so I assume this is a good bulb:
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The first Pic looks fairly typical for a Firebolt headlight ground wire.
In the second pic, Is part of the positive "white" wire where it leaves the clamp of the corroded bulb touch the bulb frame causing it to short? and does it happen to be the low beam bulb?
If it is shorted that could be the problem.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the messed up bulb is in fact the low beam. I think tomorrow when I rebuild my bike I am going to stick the bulb that was in the high beam in the low beam for a few days until I can get some new bulbs besides I don't ride at night much anyway.

Speaking of new bulbs can some one give me a recommendation of some good ones to put in there?


But yea tomorrow I will go buy what is hopefully my last pack of 15amp fuses since I blew all of them except for 2 of them trying to fix this issue and begin putting this sucker back together.


Thanks guys for helping me figure this out.

I would have never thought of the headlights as being the reason for the ignition fuse blowing.
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Buellblastrider
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

im running sylvania silverstar ultras in my boltand like them pretty.im about to put the ddm h.i.d. setup in my lightning
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did you take advantage of the Firebolt headlight replacement program? If not you still have time, July 10,2010 is the end date.
Product Notice: 0501: PRD PGM: FIREBOLT HEADLIGHTS.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/B076A.pdf

The original headlight housings reflective material degrade over time, changing to brighter bulbs will not help.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

how do you know how do I know if I have the updated ones or not.
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The most obvious difference is the lenses.


firebolt headlights


The housings are a bit more substantial as well.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So if they have the targets does that mean it is the new ones?
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The replacement lights have the "target" lenses. Late model year XBR's also also have the "target" lenses.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok then I do have the new ones already which I thought I did cause the other two bikes I have had with bolt head lights had the regular one on one side and the blurred one on the other
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