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     Unibear12r |
A few thoughts: I thought that this was the Bad Weather BBS - a forum for Buell riders to get help & get to know other riders. I didn't realize this was the Bad Weather Social Club for the Few. After Lance's treatment I realize my mistake. Sorry. There were 3 personal attacks. Sarcasm counts, or am I to believe that its ok to slam someone's person all day as long as we don't use four letter words? When the rules apply to two equally but only one is singled out it is turned into a personal attack, intended as such or not. 420 could have carried on for a year & not done the damage to Badweb's integrity this one thread did. It is not weather or not we have the power but how we use it that defines us. As a guest in another's house I have a right to expect equal application of the rules to all - anything else would be dishonest. Glenn | ||
| Oh58rider |
Very well put Unibear. Lance was singled out when he was responding to sarcasm directed at HIM. Others on this board have used far more sarcasm AND profanity with ZERO consequences. I agree with you there too.... they are in the club and are given a wider berth. Interesting. | ||
| Lance12r |
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| Court |
Amen | ||
| Cro13 |
Glenn, I have been taught all of my life that when you are a guest in another’s house the only “right” that you have is to get up and leave. As a guest in someone’s home I am responsible to obey the rules of the house as defined by thr owner if at sometime I don’t like those rules I can then exercise my "right" to leave. This is how I live my life and how I am teaching my son to live his life. You seam to imply that admin is being a bad host but I think that an equal argument could be made that some have been poor guests. Carter | ||
| Oh58rider |
On a board like this... everyone deserves the same treatment. Admin chose his example poorly. Just an opinion there, everyone has their own. From above: Lance was singled out when he was responding to sarcasm directed at HIM. Others on this board have used far more sarcasm AND profanity with ZERO consequences No one will change my opinion, nor do I look to change others. | ||
| Spiderman |
^^ You the Greg from Centenial H-D??? | ||
| Court |
>>>No one will change my opinion, nor do I look to change others. Now your getting it. | ||
| Oh58rider |
Spidy, sorry no bud. Just a new guy from San Diego. New to the board and Buell. A psychologist by trade... so naturally I find this thread amusing. It's funny how folks will turn such small things into large ones. As an outsider (guest here), I've noticed that MOST of the threads have, to some degree, sarcasm contained in them that some could construe as offensive if they wished. Not to mention the profanity contained in many of them. I'll use this "house" , as it's been put, for my benefit when I need advice or to look up info. Not a household I'd want to be a full time member of though as admonishment can come at people at the whim of the admin person with no equal standard set for all while others are protected. A childish board by SOME standards. Merely an outside observation and my opinion alone. I would expect most on here, from what I've read, to disagree with me. Good day to all.} | ||
| Admin |
"As a guest in another's house I have a right to expect equal application of the rules to all - anything else would be dishonest." Please explain what "rule" was applied selectively. What actually happened was n o enforcement of a rule through any penalty or action of admin, what actually happened was a mere a polite request. Ever stop to think... "Gee, admin must invest a LOT of effort and free time towards maintaining this discussion board; maybe we should cut him some slack, and if on extremely rare occasions he asks for our cooperation, we should support him, especially you know in light of this BBS being six years old, free, and so wonderful and all"? Ever think anything like that?  I haven't been able to keep up with the board of late and just prior to scanning this thread had run into the whole filthy disgusting "420at145mph" debacle. That along with the situation in Iraq and an overall bad mood left me a bit intolerant. It also uniquely peeves me when I see questions posted that would have been addressed through a quick and simple search of the board (simply type "fitch fuel catalyst" into the search field and click on the search button). Or even just peruse the KV subtopics; there is an entire topic in the Knowledge Vault devoted to the "Fitch Fuel Catalyst" and a quick and simple search would have revealed it. So yeah, I can at times be a tactless jerk, and I am sick and tired of derisiveness and dischord. And I've about had it with indignant, uncooperative, unappreciative whiners. And by the way, here are some quotes from the person you see fit to support versus your hard working admin... ...Thanks for the info davefl.. no need to be a smartass though. ...ADMIN.... you must be a girl, you're soooo sensitive. ...Oh and BTW WHATEVER! sheeeesh You can drop it... I think everyone understands... or not and I'll KEEP returning your posts like this... everytime. bye-bye now ...Admin.. I have lots of screen names now... feel free to trash one. ...this is funny, keep it up. ...Comparing that admin guy to the fairer sex is an insult to all women! I'll think of a better comparison (probably under a different name by then! haha.. which to choose though). ...I don't roll over when someone says.. BAD and it's a false accusation. ...I'm still scratching my head about HOW admin boy even came to the conclusion that my post needed an example made out of it, ...He can block this IP address or the computer next to me or next to that and on down the line. 10am... yes, I'm at work. I'll use a different name at home. You want to defend that? You are on the WRONG side of right from where I am sitting. Lance, I noticed that you had deleted your own user account. Now I see that you have taken to some kind of misguided strategy of reregistering, then posting, then once again deleting your own user account. I don't know what you think you are accomplishing by that. You should know that if I wanted to ban you it would be a simple matter whether you are registered or not. So you might want to save yourself the trouble. Every single post you've submitted is from the exact same IP address. If you'd like to see the details, here they are... Poster Identity: Lance12r (user) Remote Address: 66.26.26.181 OrgName: Road Runner OrgID: RRMA Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road City: Herndon StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20171 Country: US NetName: ROADRUNNER-MIDSOUTH NetHandle: NET-66-26-0-0-1 Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: DNS1.RR.COM NameServer: DNS2.RR.COM NameServer: DNS3.RR.COM NameServer: DNS4.RR.COM TechName: ServiceCo LLC TechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 TechEmail: abuse@rr.com OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@rr.com OrgTechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgTechEmail: abuse@rr.com Besides merely banning you from the site, if I or any custodian of the site were inclined we could submit a simple complaint to your ISP (RoadRunner) concerning your violation of agreed BadWeB policy. ISP's are pretty funny about htat kind of thing, if they find any evidence of such behavior they don't hesitate to suspend the service of the offending customer. Unibear12r, You astutely note that the reason I admonished Lance was not due to any single word he posted, but was related to his posting a derisive personal attack, something Lance himself even after careful and polite explanation fails miserably to comprehend. Oh58rider, You are wrong. Don't mistake neglect for prejudice or favoritism. Believe it or not, I have a real world life that demands the majority of my attention the majority of the time. You care to try monitoring every single thread and every single post here? Have at it. Just send me an email everytime you take note of derisive or profain content and I'll take care of the problem; be sure to include a hyperlink to the offending post. Or maybe you can design and analyze a new 4m Mobile Military SatCom Antenna that weighs under 300 LBs, will operate in 60 mph winds at 31 GHz and is comprised of six identical/interchangeable panels along with a whole host of other rigorous mil spec requirements. Basically you will be trying to design a near infinitely rigid featherweight 4m diameter parabolic sail that will hold its shape in a 60 mph wind to within 0.004" RMS and is comprised of six identical/interchangeable panels. Also, no loose hardware is permitted. Got that? 4m diameter... 60 mph wind... maintains shape within 0.004" RMS... weighs less than 300 LB. You solve that problem for me and I'll send you a check for $100K and will commence full time duty policing the board for the next year. And finally... A BIG Thank you to Dave, Hoot, Court, Darth, Saro, M1, and BradJ. I appreciate your support more than you can ever know. Cheers all, Blake (grouchy admin who is tired of discord) | ||
| Admin |
Yeah, funny isn't it.  We could sure use the talents of a psychologist here. Your contributions here so far though fail to contribute to any reconciliation. Instead, you choose to take sides and join in with the conflict. In what kind of practice do you engage anyway? | ||
| Lance12r |
Say what you want.... and boast all you want Blake (admin) about your ever important job. Don't speak to me about your mood about Iraq you ungrateful coward (yeah, kick me off for that ••••••••, it's my last post). I just got back FROM Iraq, where my job was to FLY down the streets of Fallujah protecting my brothers on the ground. Those were some of my fellow pilots and friends that were shot down and killed you were reading about in your comfy chair at home and watching on the news. I went on the attack after you came after me for a SIMPLE sarcastic volley I returned to DaveFL as many have realized. I don't care to hear about how hard you have it at work or monitoring this post. "I'd prefer you just said thankyou, and went on your way". OUT... | ||
| Spiderman |
 I miss the BadWeb | ||
| Oh58rider |
Wow, now admin is coming after me? Are you mad because I'm not on YOUR side? Would it make you feel better if I agreed with you about all of this? I think sarcasm is ok as long as it's not too distasteful and doesn't contain profanity. Direct insult should be avoided too. The sarcasm that started this thread was, now pay attention here, IN MY OPINION, not insulting. As I could construe the sarcasm in your last post to me as such but would be happy to take the higher ground and pass it off. As far as your apparently much sought after resolution? Everybody just walk away at the same time and drop it. Under your netequette section I read about respecting others, don't insult (like you yourself have) and so forth but I also read this and I quote: It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike, and that's where the fun is! Also, note that messages express the thoughts of the writers, not the board or its moderators. I don't think anyone but yourself could reasonably argue that that is all I have done here, express my opinion in a very reasonable, non-threatening manner. You responded to me in the very manner that you are getting after others about. Just my thoughts there. I'm off to enjoy some weather. Hope you all have a great day. Ride safe. edited by Oh58rider on May 01, 2004 | ||
| Davefl |
I have stayed out of this in the hope that it would die out on its own and I did not want to fan the flames. I was no offended by the remark but I do not make the rules so that is of no consequence. Anybody who knows me would have said that I went light on the sarcasm though. Lance thanks you for your service. I am former Army (may be where I became so smart)  . In my service I was never sent to combat but if my country had called I would have went no questions asked. On your attack on Blake, everything I have seen him post on the war has been in support of the troops and for the mission being done. That being said thanks again for your service to this country, it is appreciated. If you or any other service member are ever in my neck of the woods look me up and the beer is on me. edited by davefl on May 01, 2004 | ||
| Jaredkuper |
Goodness, maybe we should change the name of this thread from "fuel catalysts" to "fight catalysts." Maybe this should go in a different folder since it has nothing to do with the XB, cause that's what I'm hear to read about. Let's drop it and get back to bikes! | ||
| M1combat |
It is a bit ironic isn't it  . I agree Jared. The thing is... This board is read by a good deal of people who really deserve a LOT of respect. I believe that part of the reason they stick around is because they know they can come here and deal with well adjusted grown-ups. Lance... I am certainly not implying that you are anything less as I think your offense was quite minor but caught Blake in a mode where he needed to send a message that everyone would see (which necessitated posts in multiple places) and you got tagged. I have been given a nick-name of ticket magnet by the AZ Buellers and every one of my tickets (only two, but at the worst times...) were received when I was putting no-one in danger except for myself (and not much at that). I assure you though, I was very nice to both officers involved. I was pulled over once for turning into a deserted parking lot from a deserted road at about midnight for not using a blinker once. I had a bachelor party dancer in my truck at the time and I was sure he was going to arrest us, but that's another story. I didn't give the officer any trouble because he was doing his job. Granted, he just needed paperwork to show that he actually was DOING his job in my case. Maybe take a look at the "War is the only answer" thread. Blake seems to support your efforts in Iraq as much as I do. Anyway... Have a good day. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Admin don't think that I don't support you. If I didn't I wouldn't even waste my time posting. We all have busy lives and I hope that what you have done has the greatest success. Sorry for being a PITA & I know that being a moderator here wouldn't be easy either. That does't change what I have to say though. The analogy that this is a house is inaccurate and I apologize for helping with that. As long as Badweb has open membership and bills itself as an open forum for a segment of the public then we all have the right to equal rule enforcement. The auditorium may be owned by someone and we may have to agree to owner/operator rules but said contract is two edged. Any different mind set on the part of the admin staff would make this board the same as a few others we have been slamming of late for the same reasons. Are we a bunch of fools or hypocrites? The comments made didn't bother me but the unequal reaction did. That action reflects upon Badweb and hence all its members. This is what I care about. Using sarcasm as a personal attack is no different than using profanity for such. Lance's rudeness after the fact in no way justifies Admns action beforehand. You cannot argue that a wrong is right by other wrong doings. also The admn staff has used greater levels of profanity & sarcasm under their own names in the past and you set the stage for us. This is an obvious stricter interpretation of the rules and as such a general announcement should be made first before singling anyone out anyway. This is all a basic level of respect which is a two way street also. edited by unibear12r on May 01, 2004 | ||
| Unibear12r |
Me too. I've said all I needed too & maybe a bit more. I'll put up my slightly tarnished armor & go for a ride. | ||
| Dyna |
What the hell is in the water lately? People attacking Blake & Badweb? The man puts up with quite a bit of abuse & doesnt even get paid for it? Have any of you ever ran a website before? Its a major pain in the ••• at times. I ran one for about 6 months & it was eating up quite a bit of spare time. I decided it simply wasnt worth the effort & pulled the plug a month ago. Put things in perspective here, someone says something you may not entirely agree with, you have 3 choices. #1. Say nothing at all. #2. Attack them with a full barrage of everything & anything you can think of including personal insults aimed at someone you have never even personally met. Or #3. Respond tactfully with facts & at least a small amount of restraint & respect. Hell, lord knows I havent exactly been a saint in the past, but I have done my best to leave that in the past. Have I been admonished by Blake? Of course, as have a number of us. But I can respect him for that because it is his website & he can run it as he see's fit. If you dont agree then you truly only have 1 option. Leave. | ||
| Blake |
Oh58rider, Please do explain where on this planet have I ever attacked or insulted YOU or directed sarcasm at YOU???  WTF!!! | ||
| Darthane |
Oy, my head hurts. "A BIG Thank you to Dave, Hoot, Court, Darth, Saro, M1, and BradJ. I appreciate your support more than you can ever know." No problem. Even if I am still sore about not getting the XBoard mod post!  <jk> ...back to Japan tomorrow. I said goodbye to my bikes already. I hope they understand. | ||
| Blake |
Lance, Not boasting, just trying to explain the simple facts to you, that deleting/reregistering/posting/repeat is a useless defense against some imagined attack you think I am contemplating. I have no desire to ban you or anyone else griping and whining on this page, but if I did, your apparent efforts to avoid disciplinary action are utterly useless. But again, I have no desire to ban anyone. I just made a few simple and polite requests. Since you've chosen to ignore them, I might play around a bit. My mood is improving. I hope you enjoy the fun. I am realizing how ridiculous all this really is. All, Your comments are logged and duly noted. Dyna, THAT's IT! You are now on double top-secret custodian probation. Any more rational and thoughtful outbreaks like that and you may find yourself saddled with another set of web site responsibilities. | ||
| Blake |
XBoard "Custodian"!!! Cripes, I forgot all about that. Give me a call sometime and we'll talk. I think you are someone worthy of trust. My number is in the RAN listings. | ||
| Lance12r |
Blake, great, about time and thanks. Go ride something. (not meant as sarcastic or rude for you sensitive natured people). | ||
| Lance12r |
Oh BTW since we are funning around Blake... how many people on here do you think I am? Hint: at least two. I have yet to really be that upset. I've been having a bit of fun myself. I am a pilot( you know this)... also have a masters in Psych. Used to be in psyops to answer a question you asked me under another name (still need a hint?) I think once I even answered my own post. Hmmm.... talking to myself now am I? Know any psychologists I could talk to? (joke) As far deleting this screen name, yeah, I'm NOT a self proclaimed computer genius. I was trying to delete/update and change some info on this screen name, not delete the whole thing. Again, not my area.. but thanks for making yourself feel more important by continually mentioning it. (funning with you relax). Ok, so I now apologize to those I spun up (if any). I've always played games with people that irritate me a little (people that irritate me a lot I just ignore)... so I push buttons until people generally forget what even started the whole mess. My wife really "loves" this about me (playing games). Blake, I don't know or care to know what monitoring a post is like, not my thing. Honestly don't know enough people who do it to make a comparison to say whether you do a good job. My only comment (constructive criticism not an attack here) is be fair. Unibear made the best point. I've been on this sight for a long time under a few names and have seen fair and unfair and I really don't care that much. (eye roll) you turned your sights on something small I said and I messed with you (ever watch that strange show punk'd..lol). Anyway, please accept my humble apologies. | ||
| Oh58rider |
Yeah, what lance ... er ... I said. really, keep it safe all. Greg, lar, lance (i forget) | ||
| Unibear12r |
When one stirs the pot.....one should realize he may fall into it. I was done with it but this has taken a different turn and I feel compelled to clarify a point or two. All my comments were meant to be viewed as constructive criticism aimed at the admn staff and BadWeb in general. My comments were never intended to be portrayed as a personal attack against any one person or BadWeb. With a group such as this... one cannot simply cry "foul", but must explain his or her reasoning. As far as my comments and actions, I have tried to be as tactful and respectful as possible. If any feel different....I apologize. I have a great deal of respect for all of the admn staff and for the time and effort they put in to moderating this site. I do understand that most of the work is done by one busy person. The intent never was to bring out any one person's name and have him used as a target. The fact that others took the opportunity to do so disappoints me. Sorry for that Blake, I do have a great deal of respect for you. | ||
| Seanp |
Lance/OH58rider - I am currently in Iraq, after over a year of being here. I have not been a civilian for a little less than twelve years now. However, I realize fully that I am not ABOVE a civilian because he or she did not choose to serve. Just because I am here in combat, does not entitle me to feel better about myself, nor does it give me the right to call a civilian a coward. If it weren't for civilians back in the US, who the hell would run the country? Hey, great job flying over the streets of Fallujah. If I were in the habit of calling people names, I'd say something to the effect of "a real man would have been down there on the street with a rifle, you ..." Yeah, don't like that one, do you? Well, it's true. I bet an infantry guy, (which I am not) would think that about you, sitting in your KW, flying back to your base camp and watching AFN every night, getting your 8 hours of crew rest. So it's all relative now, isn't it... Your job is a lot more dangerous than most, yes. But there are even more dangerous jobs out there. And you get compensated for it. I don't claim to have a dangerous job at all. In fact, mine is pretty safe. The worst thing that could happen to me would be to get electrocuted from some of this crappy Iraqi wiring. Other than that, I don't patrol the streets, I don't fly, (except in the back or left seat) and I don't run convoys up and down Tampa. So am I a coward? I'd like to think not. But others may think so. Good for them. If you're going to call someone a coward, do it to their face, first of all. Second of all, don't do it in their place of business, (which I consider this to be, not a house per se.) Third of all, try to figure out exactly what that person has to offer before making a snap decision on their heroism or lack thereof. By calling anyone who's not in uniform a coward, you shame all of us out here who appreciate the support that we get from a majority of the population back in the US. And I, for one, don't appreciate you doing that. It's unprofessional and uncalled for. edited by seanp to reduce the amount of belligerence on May 02, 2004 edited by seanp on May 02, 2004 | ||
| Blake |
Lance/Greg or whoever you are, Thank you for your confession and apology. However, your now admitted actions do little to allay my concerns and in fact cause me to rethink my concilliatory stance towards you. I want to be perfectly clear, and I want others who might read your post above to understand the following perfectly. No one appreciates being toyed with or deceived for the mere purpose of another's amusement. Masquerading under multiple identities while deceiving others in an internet discussion forum requires little to no skill and is blatantly dishonest and malevolent. That type of behavior will absolutely not be tolerated on BadWeB. In the future, if I or other board custodians ever detect such behavior on this board, the immediate result will be the permanent banning of the offending party. BadWeB has zero tolerance for liars. |
