| Author | Message | ||
     F22raptor |
Going thru final testing,BIG TIME H.P gain.Working on final fuel maps, Sounds like nothing else out there.....Keep posted,on sale soon    | ||
| Glitch |
Looks nice, also looks loud! Is it stainless? What is holding the front of the muffler? Is that one of the car muffler mods? Sorry for all the questions! Just remember, you need to become a sponsor before advertising a product for sale on BadWeB. Or you could sell them through someone that's already a sponsor. | ||
| Hogs |
Does it shoot right straight back on that rear tire??? | ||
| Gunut75 |
What is it? What is it? Inquiring minds wanna know............. If you can't post info, I don't live very far away............  | ||
| F22raptor |
Yes it is stainless. Sounds like a Ducati with good pipes,not like a Jardine,so loud is not away to judge,it just sounds great!!Custom stainless mount/adapter(Very clean)Lots of time in R+D,not something you can just throw together,as back-pressure and flow are important.exhaust does not "shoot" against rear tire,but I will offer a can with side outlets also,custom fuel maps for your application included.I WILL BECOME A SPONSOR before I start selling!!! | ||
| Froggy |
Cool, looks good!  | ||
| Glitch |
When you say BIG TIME HP GAIN, what exactly have you got so far? | ||
| Bads1 |
When you say BIG TIME HP GAIN, what exactly have you got so far? +1 I'd like hear as well. Drummer and others have spent countless hours perfecting there product and performance and they are just a smidge off from one another. Some do better then others in different RPM area's. Your exhaust looks nice but what exactly are you saying its going to do?? | ||
| Andymnelson |
The Butt Dyno 2000 says.... | ||
| Scheetz31 |
got a sound clip? (Message edited by scheetz31 on May 11, 2010) | ||
| Bartimus |
looks like a homemade Jardine with a larger center core... | ||
| Delta_one |
the top pic looks like dual outlet. big gains on a 9 you say? you have my attention  | ||
| F22raptor |
I will post dyno #'s when they are ready to sell and ship.Lets just say at this time I want to switch to a 12's primary ratio as I now go thru the gears too quickly and end up hitting the limiter in 5th.Also,this is a prototype can,there will be options for outlet types and sound levels. | ||
| Hogs |
I want to switch to a 12's primary ratio as I now go thru the gears too quickly and end up hitting the limiter in 5th WOW... Yours will be the First to claim that... That baby must put out like another 20 Horsepower or more Crazy Shit..!  | ||
| Greg_e |
OK, for the sake of discussion... Does anyone have the numbers for a 9 with the Buell racing muffler? Or a 9 with a Jardine? The Jardine should be the absolute most free flowing muffler out since it is basically a straight through design and should make the highest peak horsepower (but possibly a crap torque curve) next to just a length of pipe. If my memory is correct the American Sport Bike shootout was done with a 12. I would be really impressed if you could hit stock sound level (80db at 3000rpm) with substantial power increases (more than +5 rear wheel horsepower). Then toss on a 12 TB and 12 header (both larger dimensions)and fresh tune and see what it can do. | ||
| Greg_e |
Think about what you are saying... 20HP from just a muffler? That's like 20% increase in power. No muffler will do that unless the stock muffler is so grossly designed that it is causing problems to the basic operation of the engine. Or if the engine has been so heavily modified that the stock muffler is getting in the way. You are still fighting the un-equal length headers which Micro was the only company to tackle and this did make a small difference in the 12 shootout. Please make sure to list the complete mods to that engine, I can see a breather mod but everything else is of course internal. Call me a cynic, but so far lots of hype and a pretty looking exhaust, without the numbers and operating conditions it is all a BS ornamental piece. SO let's wait for the numbers before we get all excited. | ||
| Greg_e |
Taking another look at the American Sport Bike shootout, they did test a 9 so we do have some pretty decent comparisons of the various mufflers. | ||
| Hogs |
Greg_e, I guess I should have pointed it out more obvious ,Thought that Huge wink would have..LoL Yeah to claim such Huge gains in a Muffler is not fact , even the micron complete header and muffler, will not " I now go thru the gears too quickly and end up hitting the limiter in 5th " Theres been many with other complete systems as well.. and never complained as to that .... Wdn`t that be nice though,to be able to complain about that LoL. I think we should all wait to see if the gains of this yet another muffler will even put out as much as what is all ready out there and has been dyno tested to no end... So..Maybe we should see what comes out of this...And sure hope who ever dynos it, knows what they are doing! As we all know Not all dynos or dyno operators are created Equal . | ||
| Drkside79 |
Easy lets give this one time. He is just doing preliminary advertising. I want to see the #'s and hear a clip. However do you have a idea on the price? | ||
| Greg_e |
Do not discuss price! This thread will be removed when that happens. Being made of stainless it will be light and corrosion resistant so that would be a bonus over some of the other systems. I'm a bit concerned because I didn't see a front muffler clamp and I think it needs one to prevent cracking the header studs. Also I will look at it this way, anyone making something new for the XB machines is doing us a favor. I think we could expect about 90 horsepower out of this if the design is decent, that seems to be where things end up. Throw in the 12TB and header and maybe a little more than 90 (rear wheel). Toss in a set of cams and maybe different valves... In short I think there is some untapped potential in the 9 motor, but it is a long way to get that extra 5 to 10 rear wheel ponies out to hit 100. The Jardine hits a solid 90 rear wheel and is one of the loudest things on the market. I would really love to see something that is probably impossible and that is 80db with that same 90HP, that would impress me a lot and I would probably order one of those unless the curve was just completely brutally bad. | ||
| F22raptor |
First-off,I never made any H.P. claims as far as numbers go,this forum is doing that for me.The front mount is stainless and supports the front of the can and headers.The thing about this is I wanted to offer a competitive option to what was available, the modified stock mufflers make good sounds and power but they look..well..stock.I am one of you guys with alot of fabrication and fuel injection mapping experience and wanted to offer something that looked good and worked well.This post was just to see how a new product would be received be the Buell community,as there is a lack of new parts out there.I will say that the Buell riders in my area have given me a positive response to both sound quality and performance. (I live a mile from Eric Buell,kinda like Buell-central.U.S.A ) | ||
| Greg_e |
It does look good so as long as it doesn't cause performance issues you should be able to sell it, after all, people do still put Jardines on their street bikes and they aren't exactly a wonderful muffler. I do like that you used the stock rear mount, makes it easier if the state inspector gives grief every year and you have to put the stocker back on for the inspector. | ||
| Terrys1980 |
people do still put Jardines on their street bikes and they aren't exactly a wonderful muffler. Greg just out of curiosity have you ever owned a Jardine pipe? | ||
| Eldredma |
I think the custom ECM maps being included is a novel and welcomed idea. Granted every bike is a little different, but it's always easier dealing with a single person than two. Will they be available for '08 and later models as well? | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
I have bought two bikes with Jardines on them and threw them both in the garbage. The rivet holes were getting bigger and bigger when I went to repack one of them (after only 1000 miles mind you). They are JUNK JUNK JUNK!! Jimmy | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
I think the exhaust looks great, and sounds sweet. Great job on it, if it sounds as good as it looks and does not cause any power loss and the price is right I will put one of these on my uly for sure. Jimmy | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Looks good!! I'd like something other than my Jardine since I blew the rivets once, dissapointing. Exhaust are so much dayum $$$$ except for Jardine, but I know why... | ||
| Greg_e |
I have the leftover pieces that came with my bike. The construction is probably the most basic that can be used and call it a muffler. A perforated tube straight back to the outlet. Packing around the tube to maybe reduce the noise a little, and a coffee can around the outside to contain it all. Pop rivets and luck hold the can to the endcaps. The perforated tube (which normally doesn't need to be replaced) is around $30, the packing (which needs to be replaced when it gets packed down or "blown out") is around another $30. The carbon fiber version has a nasty habit of blowing the end caps off by pulling the rivets through the CF, but the aluminum seems to hold on better. So do I have it right? Somewhere I even have pictures, but apparently didn't upload them. I've made made mufflers like this in my garage with hand tools, there is little special about a straight pipe except for the end that attaches to the header. The length and volume of the tube is the only consideration in "performance" tuning something like this and even then I don't think there is much to it. At 120+ db it should never be used on the street and even some tracks may not allow it depending on the noise waivers that they may have for the event. In the old days it would have been called a "Cherry Bomb" after the classic "muffler" of the same design that was commonly painted red and sounded like a bomb since it basically only attempted to suppress noise. Also referred to as a "glass pack" since they were a perforated pipe that had fiberglass packed around them to suppress noise. Yeah I think I know what the RT-1 is. | ||
| Greg_e |
Back to the original post.... Can you still jack the bike from this new muffler? That would be pretty neat if you could. Also I'd like to thank the guys responding that Jardine and not made to the highest quality levels. I bet they work well for racing where you can repack them after every weekend, but the noise alone should be made to keep them off the street. | ||
| Fast1075 |
I had a Jardine on my Blast and it was getting loose rivets after a year...and LOUD....man was that thing loud at full throttle...but at least the motor didn't sound like a lawn mower. |
