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Kev187
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MY 2008 Ulysses with 9400 miles on it has a burnt clutch???? Just put her in for her 10K service. I am in shock, 15 years of riding, never burned a clutch????

Dealer said could upgrade to a barnett clutch system since the stock one burned up so quick (mostly highway riding by the way?)

Anyone know anything about these systems?

http://www.barnettclutches.com/products/clutch_pla tes_springs.aspx?type=clutches_other&clutch_make=B uell&clutch_cc=All}}

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2004xb12r
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The barnett clutches are good used them in harleys before. I think your clutch burned mainly because of loose setting from the factory. My opinion is if the clutch and cable is adjusted properly you will get at least 30K out of it. The buells have good clutch in it rated to the HP it has. Replace the stock clutch and adjust it properly.
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Greg_e
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Barnett has made clutches for vehicles for a long time, how bad can it be?
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Ericz
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Barnett clutch plates, both the carbon and the kevlar are nice. I have the carbon setup in my XB and it works great!! The stock plates work well and are all you need until you put out lots more power!
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You sure its a burnt clutch? It seems highly unlikely, the only clutches I know have failed have been from extensive off roading while pretty much feathering the clutch nonstop for ridiculous periods of time.
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Kev187
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Uly is in for its 10K service. I had it at the Dealer for the 5K service.... they stated the adjusted the clutch at 5K & now at 9400K the clutch is fried. While on the freeway I was passing a rig doing about 70 & when I rolled on the throttle the engine jumped 1000RPM & then dropped... clutch was slipping???

I am wondering if they even adjusted it at 5K & now I am dealing with it?

I am ready for a KLR... ugh...
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Greg_e
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Checking the clutch adjustment is easy enough, there is even a video.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The jump in the revs is the clutch slipping. 99.9999999% of the time the clutch just needs adjustment.
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Cataract2
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 01:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My opinion is if the clutch and cable is adjusted properly you will get at least 30K out of it

30K? Wow, what are you doing to a clutch to get just that? I have 50,000+ miles on mine for my XB9SX and it's still the stock clutch from day 1. I would say you should get way more than just 30K for normal riding.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ditto... 30+k on an M2, and no clutch problems (original clutch). 30k miles on an XB9SX, and no clutch problems (original clutch).

And I don't miss my KLR... and I sure love my Uly.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 04:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

On my '77 BMW, I have replaced the plate twice in <100k miles, probably because of downshifting too much instead of using the brakes. Had the same problem with a '69 Fiat. If this is a possibility for you, using the terrific brakes we have could help.
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Luxor
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 04:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Back on the Barnett. I installed the kit in my 9S and am very pleased. I needed to replace my stocker after water contamination and couldn't see paying twice as much from HD so I went Barnett from American Sportbike. After I got the kit I was happy to see a higher quality product then stock.
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Vtpeg
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 05:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Long story short- Nail in brand new tire forth of July weekend. Plug in tire, don't dare to ride. Mix in some beer and time to stew. Smoke off plugged tire. Fast forward two weeks, clutch slipping. Adjust. Two more weeks clutch is toast. Barnett from American Sport Bike. Just like new. Don't forget spring compressor, and careful of clutch cable, it will break.
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Ulynut
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Barnett makes good stuff.

If you do get a new clutch, ask for the old parts back, then post some pics here of the old plates. I suspect the clutch is fine, and the cable is out of adjustment.

If you do mostly highway riding, the clutch should be fine with that amount of miles, unless the clutch was out of adjustment. Even then, it would most likely have given you signals that something was wrong before the plates wore out. It takes quite a bit of slipping to burn one out (if you're not racing it). Don't ask me how I know.
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Gaza
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can someone link the adjustment video plz
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would say you should get way more than just 30K for normal riding.
I've well over 60K of abnormal ; ) riding on the original clutch.

+1 Ulynut, I'm interested in seeing the old clutch as well.
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Kev187
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They are going to call me back to ensure the Barnett kit works & the dealer is going to order it for me (Harley Rules) but the Barnett kit is $100 cheaper than the stock clutch.

Ill tell them I want the stock clutch parts back when they call & Ill take pictures. It was slipping on the freeway & the other day taking off to ride to the dealer she felt funny pulling off from a stop on a hill?

Yeah.. can we get a link to that video?

I am in no way racing it.. could you see this thing on the track?

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Ulynut
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

could you see this thing on the track?

Yes. Mine did very well.
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Kev187
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

could you see this thing on the track?

Yes. Mine did very well.




With or without the Zega cases }
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Skully
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nice sliders Kevin! I have nearly 50,000 miles on my XB9S clutch. This includes many track days and several CMRA road races (three podium finishes).

Keith
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Ulynut
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With or without the Zega cases

Those come right off. You can have that ready for a track day in less than half an hour. That's taking your time too.
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Fast1075
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PM Buellistic and ask HIM how long a Buell clutch will last...hint: a VERY long time.

If you actually NEED a clutch kit...a very good option is Energy One...good product and excellent support...very high on Harry's list of vendors.

(I had problems with Barnett stuff years ago and can't get past it) not to say there is anything wrong with their stuff today....maybe they are like Wiseco piston...their stuff USED to be crap...now it is most excellent : ) Harry
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Nightripper
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

make sure that the pressure plates and the clutch plates metal backing are made of the same material as stock pressure and clutch plates.

A big problem with barnett clutch and pressure plates is that they are made of a different or Harder metal that will cut grooves into your clutch hub and clutch basket resulting in a badly grooved slots that when the clutch and pressure plats try to slide back and fourth they get struck in the notchs cut by the barnett plates.

I would always replace clutch and pressure plate switch stock oem parts, they will last the longest.

Its also very hard to disassemble a buell clutch basket assembly as it is preloaded spring pressure assembly and you need a special compression tool.
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Greg_e
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's up in the knowledge vault:
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/548791.html?1270094694

Read the first post, then watch the video. You might be able to get everything from the video, but the written description is worth the time too.
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When my clutch fried, I found that there were only a few discs (maybe 4) that were out of spec. They were $10.50 ea at the time.

The reason it fried was that I was doing a lot of "friction zone" manouvers, trying to learn you know. That and the stock gearing is way high in first gear.
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Kev187
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Everyone...

So is the Jury voting on going with the OEM Clutch? Whats the deal with the Energy Clutch? Good/Bad?

The dealer is telling me since I did not have the clutch adjusted at 7500 miles, that may be the case. I had the dealer service it at 5000 miles & they say it was Adjusted then, but since I skipped "their" 7500 mile service, thats the cause...

NOW the bike only has 9400 miles on it. So 4400 miles since its last adjustment, 75% freeway duty.. I dont see how a stock clutch can get burned out????

Let me know about the energy clutch?
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Greg_e
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I suggest pulling the cover and checking it before doing anything, that way you know if they are talking crap to get money out of you or not. If after doing the adjustment it is still slipping, then you can proceed with the clutch pack.
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Greg_e
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This one looks nice since it comes with the tool so you can do it yourself:
http://energyoneclutches.com/product.php?productid =110&cat=13&page=1
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Kev187
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do not have time to play with it sadly.... I am leaving May 15th for a 2000 mile trip to the smokies from DC and back. I need the bike just done now. Its already in there on the lift for its 10K service. So I have to deal with them at this point :-P
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Richardbiker
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is no scheduled maintenance at 7500 miles per the 2008 owner's manual. You did not skip anything. If they are saying this to avoid a warranty issue they are wrong.
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