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     Wyckedflesh |
In Rob's initial post he said that Dyno sheets were forthcoming and that those were pics taken straight off the Suzuka bike, I think if we give him a little time and allow him to set up as an advertiser all will be come clear  | ||
| Buckinfubba |
not being a bitch but.....lets count the days... and again...if they built the pipe and tested it they have the dynos....a quick email is all it takes.... hell nobody gives buell the company any slack why give tiforce any slack. obviously i must be out of my mind.... no prior references from tiforce...but lets buy into it like they are proven...... | ||
| Austinrider |
Bubba - Thank you for your view of the bigger picture. Im new to Buell's, I'll be the first to admit it. I'd like to see how the pipe compares to the other pipes we have at our disposal - Wileco, Buell Racing, D&D, Drummer, Force, Gangsta, Belcin and now TiForce. I'm not discriminating, taking sides or trying to push an agenda. When I shop for a pipe, I know what my needs are of the pipe, I want to see evidence/comparisons so I know what is the best thing to buy for my needs. I would love to see the following for this pipe. Not that I am going to buy one, 1300 bucks for an exhaust is a bit out of my league. But, as a consumer who plays the lottery (guy has to have hope, dont he?) I would like to know. 1. Dyno Charts, I want to see the graphs - power delivery is very important, as well as performance gains/losses 2. Sound Clips - if it sets off every car alarm as I putt putt past them - there is just an extra coolness factor involved. 3. Durability. Buells, specifically the XB, have to be jacked up from the bottom at specific points. Does this pipe have the balls to stand up to being jacked up from below. Will it crush if I put a jack under it and try lifting the bike that way? I still have no answer from D&D if theirs is durable in this manner. So, Rob - please respone at your earliest convienience to these inquiries. I love the way your company's pipe looks. I think its very sharp looking and am grateful we have another pipe in the mix for us to choose from for our bikes. | ||
| Buellgator |
Bubba what I was saying was that I believe he will show back up and answer all of our questions. He seems like a nice guy, and I don't think he is gonna leave us all hanging. Once again I'm sorry I am not trying to offend you and I can understand everyones worries. Not to thread jack but Bubba will the Drummer work on an XB12? | ||
| Robhughes |
I would post a bunch more on here, but I don't want to step on anyone's feet. I edited my post down to just show pics and no details, since it really wouldn't be fair to other paying advertisers who also might make/sell quality exhaust systems. I did request advertising info and if the numbers are right we will advertise on this board. I know you guys just want answers so, I'll do my best. Daves...CORRECTION: The Chin spoiler won't fit...confirmed from the Japanese today. Yes we are looking for dealers. Buckin...I will post dyno sheets up once we have some real world dynos to post. During development the factory strictly bases the development of the pipes on how well it performs on a stock bike with stock air fuel settings trying to get the best useable gain with those raw numbers. This is the same procedure we use when developing all of our exhaust systems, currently we offer about 25 different systems. I'd have to say without exception our pipes are always number 1 or 2 as far as power increases, or we just won't make them, this pipe will be no different. The dyno sheets I have are the developmental sheets and always look pretty crappy (even on our GSXR 1K and there are no pipes better), once we get a real world bike into the shop and install the pipe and tune it properly I'll then post the results. Posting anything else will only confuse the issue. It weighs a little less than 10lbs. XB9...UPDATE: The stock jacking points are a thing of the past, time for spools like every other "race" bike. And the price will be $1295-FYI the initial run of retail systems will have stainless head pipes, full ti models will be sold once we determine the exact stress this pipe will go through and we will then determine the optimum wall thickness and the placement of the thicker tubes (if needed at all).UPDATE:We won't sell full Ti versions untill we have over a year with the stainless ones on the streets. Blazin...the purpose or the springs are :1.to allow for easy assembly 2.to allow for replacement in sections in the event of a "mishap". 3.to allow the pipe to "give and take" more than a one piece pipe that will only break as oppose to slip with in the joints. 4.it enables our welders to build the pipe in smaller more easily handled sections, thus optimizing bend shapes, the crossover design and tubing cross section. Buellgator...you are welcome to post them, but if you want I'll be over there to post and answer questions if you like. MikeJ...we do all of our pipes like this, we even just introduced a "Sumo" pipe for big bore stroker Hayabusas and I don't expect any leaks even in excess of 200hp. These pipes are no joke, the craftsmanship is silly on them, there will be no leaks. Buckin...Sorry about the lack of real dyno's just wait I'll have real ones soon. Remember these things haven't even been on US soil for 36 hours. "Or is this Force in disguise"...you cracked me up..thanks for the laugh. I work for Orient Express part time now a days doing most of my work online in the middle of the night, I'm sorry I haven't gotten back on sooner but there aren't enough hours in the day. I'm not on here selling officially, but you are more than welcome to have one of the paying vendors on this site call us up and sell you one. Buellgator...your right I'm not a Buell guy...yet.UPDATE:Couldnt you tell..lol But we've been in the game of hi-performance motorcycle performance since 1973, but honestly this is our first non imported bike product...in 31 years, hopefully we can do more down line too... JohnCR...For the 9's there are some power cones in the head pipes to keep the exhaust gas speed up so you don't kill the torque. For the 12's you just grind the 3 or 4 tack welds off each and remove them. I will try to post pictures of them for you to see in the next day or so. Hope this answered most all questions you guys posted. edited by RobHughes on April 17, 2004 | ||
| Noface |
Hopefully we'll be able to call it the "Force Killer"  Maybe if John Force get's knocked off the top spot, he'll consider some customer service. If I could spend that kinda cash on an exhaust, that one would be it. I'm gonna start thinking of ways to come up w/some cash, cause I'm holding Rob to his word. He obviously knows of Force Motor Products, and if it's true they're always number one or number two, then they'll kick ass. Mebbe by the time I collect the cash, the Ti pieces will be on the street... I'm like everyone else though... I wanna see dyno sheets on a real bike. Somebody asked if it's ok to use a jack on a D&D slip-on. They answer is most definately yes. Both front and back. It's built like a mack truck. You and the wife could sit on it on the jack w/o worry. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. She's got the Jack...  | ||
| Noface |
oh, and btw, I've already got the PowerCommnader and hi-po O2 sensor, dirt cheap NIB. Beats the hell out of the race ECM IMO. | ||
| Mikej |
Thanks for the feedback. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
thanks rob and this will be the last thing I say about it and I'll leave it be. No the chin fairing will not mount up to it. all you gotta do is look at it. there are no mounting points, so don't assume it will.  you answered my question with the dyno's, I don't really care how long they've been in the states. You say real world dyno's, a bike with ecm and air filter is real world. pcIII and dyno time is add on real world. so the pipes were developed with a stock bike but the dyno's look like crap. huh, so the pipes really aren't that developed for the bikes except for fit, now spend the $1295 for the pipe, $64 for the air filter, round numbers of $250 for the PCIII, that doesn't really exisit for the xb's, and then the dyno time to tune it, roughly $180 grand total of $1789. listen brother at that price it better give a 9 atleast 95rwhp and a 12 atleast 105 rwhp or better you come on saying your leaving details out because your not an advertiser yet. but you convienately put the TIFORCE web site as your home page on your profile. look I am not personally going at you, I don't know you so I can not judge, I can judge on how your going about this. No introduction when you enter just blam heres our stuff. and as their rep you don't know the product, V twins and inline fours require different set ups of exhaust to work, so what they have done for the 4 cyl. is all great and good, but it doen't necessarily translate. sorry about my rants I am done. but I did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday. learn the buells and then answer the questions. rough dyno's are ok , we know how to read them a figure it out. take a hint from NRHS and Cycle rama ...when you bring product...bring dyno's good luck to you, I hope this pipe works, but you are assuming alot. now you won't have to put up with me anymore. | ||
| Kaudette |
10 lbs is quite a feat! If that is for the full setup that would take at least 10- 15 lbs off the bike as the underslung pipe is heavy as hell. Nice job and keep up the good work. Bubba, I think you forgot to take your anti-conspiracy pills again...  that was a joke so don't take it personally. All in due time for the dyno's and the rest. | ||
| Leeaw |
A friend of mine paid nearly $800 for a pen. I bet he would buy one of these exhausts site unseen.  | ||
| Glitch |
rough dyno's are ok Yep | ||
| M1combat |
Lets see the rough Dyno's... I won't make up my mind on rough dyno's... Also, I am sure it would be appreciated if you were to support the site (as you alluded to). Thank you. | ||
| Robhughes |
We've shipped out a bunch of pipes, lots of red label too. I suspect that you'll be seeing impartial dyno sheets up before mine, but thats ok too. You are right the chin spoiler won't fit. And the bike won't be able to be jacked up as the stock was...time to buy some spools. | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
My 2 cents. If those really are pop rivets I see holding the muffler together, I really would think seriously about the longevity of that muffler assembly. Regards Steve steve_s@ukbeg.com www.ukbeg.com | ||
| Dyna |
I think it looks like crap. May or my not work as advertised, but so what? I cant see throwing that much $$$ at the bike & maybe you will net 5 hp..big deal. If you want big hp numbers buy a different bike. I'd use the $$ & pay for quite a few track days where you could learn to better use the power your bike already has. | ||
| Darthane |
Damn, Dyna's making sense - it must be early. My Drummer's on the way... | ||
| Dyna |
Bryan, the way I look at it is like this. The XB9 puts out around 75 or so rwhp, the 12 is about 92. You can spend a shitload of $$$ & you still wont come close to the 120+ rwhp lots of other bikes are putting out. You want the big bragging rights hp numbers buy a different bike. Hell you can pick up track prepped 600cc race reps for $3000-3500. Why spend half that amount on a pipe? | ||
| Darthane |
LOL...I'm not disagreeing with you - although all told I've spent nearly $1300 on go fast goodies for my bikes. However, that $1300 got me two cans for the Firebolt, an ECM, new intake, and a can and intake for the Blast. Didn't buy them for the HP - bought them because they're the most fun I've ever had on anything with wheels. Little tweaks here and there, and the maybe 5HP and 5FT/LBS that my money's added to them just makes them more fun, even if they won't win any dyno shoot-outs. When you weight 140, you don't need 120HP to go fast! | ||
| Spike |
Another way to look at this . . . There are shops out there (Nallin, Cyclerama, etc) that can build you 120+rwhp Buells if you want to spend the money. No amount of money will make an RC51 or a TLR as much fun as Buell.  Bottom line- No matter how fast or slow your bike is, it's still fun to make mods and gain power. As far as this new exhaust goes, it's interesting. There are some design elements that just seem different; the large pipe diameter, short header pipe length before the collector, X crossover rather than normal 2-into-1. My point is that this pipe was either really well thought out, or it's a really wild guess at what might work. I have a hard time believing someone designed an exhaust like this without some testing. In any case, it better make some serious gains for ~$1300. Show me big power from a stainless version for closer to $800 and you'll have my money. In the mean time, I'll keep my Drummer. Mike L '04 XB12R | ||
| Ezblast |
You couldn't use a Drummer with that header? - all that would have to be done is the inlet - right? Why can't you have the best of both worlds? - just asking - GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Kds1 |
If you guys own a XB Buell you already have the best header and its paid for, you dont need another one unless you want it to look different... | ||
| Kds1 |
Just want to share some truth and I'm not being partial here....If you purchase an exhaust system, I don't care if the headers are 6 inch in diameter and the tubes run from here to California and have a thousand steps in them and are made of gold, but you have to have a programable ecm to make it work properly, which part of that combination is really doing its job??? Just my opinion from experience....and why is it everytime I post the thread stops??/ I have a Buell too... | ||
| Dyna |
Kevin, its because folks think there is some deep magical power stuck in the exhausts that will somehow transform their bike into a dragon slaying beast by simply bolting on a high priced setup. Look at all the different pipe setups that have been tried over the years for the HD's. Drags, 2 into 1, stepped header systems, etc etc. For the most part they pretty much all perform within a certain window, a couple hp one way or the other & thats about it. | ||
| Xbduck |
kds1, I thought I was the only tread killer around here.  | ||
| Kds1 |
Well I salute ya Xbduck...I'm a threadkiller member now...feels great huh???? | ||
| Buckinfubba |
damn dyna you hit the nail on the head.... | ||
| Ezblast |
Well - no biggie for that part - so if there is no real difference then I would run it for weight savings - and why couldn't I run a Drummer with it? Educate don't hate - lol - GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Dyna |
If someone has the $$ to blow on it, then let them & I hope they are happy. But I just dont see the sense in it. I mean how much actual hp could that header pipe net you? Even if its 2-3 over a stock pipe is that worth $1200? For my money use the stock header pipe & throw on a Drummer or a D&D or whatever other slipon muffler floats your boat. Even if that pipe is the bestest in the world, the stock header with a decent slipon is still going to be damn close to it.....note thats the stock 12 header pipe. | ||
| Dyna |
Weight savings? Come on now, if a rider is truly serious about getting the weight down its a lot easier & cheaper to simply put him or herself on a diet. Whats better in the long run, lose 5-10 lbs of exhaust weight or lose the same amount off your belly? The net result is the same for the bike. Its funny when I see these guys who weigh 250+ lbs talk about getting carbon fiber this or that or getting a TI system to drop the weight down. Drop the double burger & the cheese fries tubby & step away from the bike  |
