| Author | Message | ||
     Fudge1340 |
Well after waiting for 2 months for a programmed race ecm for 2010 models, we gave up after hearing one was sent out for a beta test or first test and it didn't work right. So who knows when one will be available. Another thing is that if you read the current article in cycle world about the motorcycle industry by kevin cameron and the story about about our bikes. It really makes you wonder if any small motorcycle company or manufacturer can stay in bussiness in USA anymore. In kevin's article he states that American manufactures and alot of the other foriegn manufactures are focusing on the economic boom in china and india to tap in on all the money out there and giving up on the USA market. It really seems that US companies bleed the USA and its workers for everything they could get out of them and now that there are no good paying jobs anymore in the US and no one has money to buy anything anymore, now they are going overseas. Its the same thing that USA did to Europe right after WW2. But it was done because of a world war. Now we have it done by our politicians that sold us out to NAFTA and the USA companies that moved all the jobs overseas. You really can't blame mexico, china or india. Its the USA politicians that sold us out. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
political and non-xb related stuff does not go on the xboard. also why is it you are hellbent on trying to bad mouth EBR? You do it once a week for no reason. Did Erik piss in your fruit loops one day? | ||
| Tmall |
So, it's the politicians fault you can't get a race ecm for a 2010? Or am I missing something? | ||
| Fudge1340 |
just relying article info and never mentioned any company or manufacturer names and the article tells alot about the current state of the motorcycle industry and their focus. It seems that there may not be enough numbers of the last model made to justify the expense of research and tunning a ecm for them. | ||
| Glitch |
Sammy due to your antagonistic ways, you're on notice. | ||
| Fudge1340 |
I guess no one likes to hear the truth. Just stating facts for other members with the 2010 models. Ride your bikes for now and don't worry about exhausts or ecms until they are available and listed for sale. | ||
| Froggy |
Truth is you made a thread called "ECMS FOR 2010 900 AND 1200 SERIES" and it was about jobs getting sent off shore. You are more than welcome to discuss that, but please post it in the quickboard and don't use a miss leading title. | ||
| Delta_one |
cant the latest ECM spy get into the 2010 bikes? | ||
| Fudge1340 |
From what I've read the ecm spy won't work on 2010 models as there was a major changes to the ecm on 2010 models. After a along wait and no positive news about any ecm's being available. We decided to put the 2010 back to stock configuration and give up on the aftermarket exhaust and ecm. The other thing is that the power the engine makes stock and way the exhaust valve performs at factory setting, it probably makes more sense to just leave the bike stock. By changing the exhaust and the ecm the 1200 doesn't really make that much more useable power, than stock tuning. Look at the tests of the exhaust systems at american sport bike and ask yourself, is the 5-10 hp gain realy worth all the tunning and reliability issues. Or the loss in power that some of these systems cause With the advent of fuel injected engines it makes remapping and tunning expensive and time consuming. Another example my brother purchased a new 2008 gsxr1000, put a full race yoshimura system and dyno jet power commander looking for more power. He is a factory trained honda tech and electrical engineer and even had access to a dyno. In the end the never really ran right, it had electrical issues with the power commander and was very succeptable to temperature changes. Over all after 6 months of nothing but problems he traded it in on a new 09 cbr1000 and kept it completely stock. Alot of these aftermarket exhaust and ec providers don't really have the time to spend month's of r&d time to really develope exhausts and electronics properly for all the different makes. Its very difficult for an aftermarket company to put all the time and money into really developing systems that are better than stock exhausts and intake systems. Do the research on these exhaust and electronic systems before shell out alot of money on them. If even a few ppl report problems, all odds are that you will to. In the 70's and early 90's would could get alot more power by changing your carburation and exhaust, but since all the new bikes are coming out with fuel injection and non programmable ecm's. It seems your better off just leaving your bike stock. Note if your building an all out race or full race engine then this doesn't apply. Because the real hp gains are from the engine internals etc. | ||
| Froggy |
Yep I agree 100%. I did the modifications to my bike for the look and sound, not performance. I have two 1125's now, I am leaving one of them stock and I will play around with the other. | ||
| Froggy |
I haven't seen anything confirmed on the 2010's with any of the ECMspy/ECMread programs. Unfortunately due to the short production of the 2010's it will take a while before that is figured out. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
I was always under the impression the newer ecms were learning ecms any way so if you give them time to learn the new mod you should not have to much of a problem to begin with. There are several people how have put these mods on 08 and 09 bikes without doing anything to the ecm and have had no problems so I do not see why the 10 model would do any different. | ||
| 46champ |
If they are learning ECM's. What is the best way for them to learn? Little bit at a time 1 mod ride for a few hundred miles or so then another mod? Or everything at once and let the system figure it out? How far can we go before you burn up the engine? Most mods lean out the engine unless you rejet to use an old carburetor term. There has to be a max fuel flow of the system. Can we exceed its capabilities with bolt on parts? | ||
| Froggy |
They don't really learn. The stock O2 sensor isn't good enough for it, plus the 09 and older XB's have only a rear O2. Yea, it will detect and compensate a little bit for a slight lean condition, but the best it can do is get you back to match the terrible EPA compliant fueling. | ||
| Stalker |
Hey Sammy i just looked @ your profile.... could you please tell me where the country "use" is? I smell a serious troll... sorry im taking it personal. I love this country and dont like the people that hate it and arent intelligent enough to leave. Hope I never meet you face to face. | ||
| Fudge1340 |
When you change the air filter and the exhaust, the bike will run to lean and you really stand a good chance of easily burning out your valves. The 2010 ecm is different than 09 and older models, due to dual oxygen senors etc. and other changes. This is why no one sells a ecm for that year. With the design of the frame its very hard to pull over and do a road side plug check.This would need to be done every few miles to make sure the bike wasn't running to lean. Picture going for a 20 mile ride and pulling over every 3 miles to check your plugs, this must also be done at different throttle setting to assure you are running lean. You really need a dyno and engine analyzer for this. The problem that alot of ecm manufacturers have is the extreme cost of dyno and tunning time. Take 2 employees a MC tech and a engineer, pay is $40k and $60K and add the overhead costs $150 per hr for each employee and you can see where tunning time and ecm developement is very limited. I also checked with noted performance tunning shops around the country and they all advised against running the with the stock ecm as it would to lean and that the ecm couldn't compensate enough. We changed the exhaust and air system mainly for performance and weight reduction, not for the purpose of making useless noise, like a STREET DORK. Most of the shops stated that a fully programmable ecm ordered directly from the manufacturer with the soft ware and license were your only option for the 2010 models. So your looking at almost $1600 worth of exhaust and ecm and dyno tunning just for a few extra hp. is it really worth it. | ||
| Ryan954 |
Is that a threat Stalker... | ||
| Glitch |
With regards to 2009-2010 models. Since Buell shut down in 2009, I wouldn't expect to see much in the way of research going into those bikes. Older models will just have to benefit from past research for the most part. Sad but true. We shouldn't try to depend on EBR for street bike issues either, as they've got their hands full with <10 employees trying to keep racing alive. |
