| Author | Message | ||
     Jraice |
Okay guys I have a very strange problem here... Did my 4th oil change on the bike. Nothing difficult. Went for a 20 min ride to make sure it was nice and warm, came back. Opened drain plug, oil pours out, lifted bike off kickstand to make sure it was all out. Cool. Removed filter, some oil came out as usual. Fill new filter half way with oil, install. Cool right? Just need to put in 2.5 quarts (minus the oil in the filter), right? WRONG! I start with a half empty container of oil. So thats .5 quart. Then I open a fresh one and start pouring, before I even get through 3/4 of the bottle I hear a weird noise and dark (old) oil starts pouring out of the reservoir! How the $#$% could this happen? How do I fix the problem? Clearly I can drain the oil, but by now its no longer hot (and I am not about to start the bike without really knowing how much is in there, at the moment there is apparently WAY to much) so I dont know that it will all come out. Also clearly something wasnt right as there was still way to much old oil in there. So now I need to buy new oil, do I need a new filter as well? I suppose I can remove it after draining this funk and reuse it, never started motor so it didnt really flow, should still just be the fresh oil I put in it before. And I leave Friday afternoon for a track day and am working all afternoon Thursday so tomorrow is the day I need to deal with this, was supposed to go on a ride tomorrow but now that doesnt look like it can happen. WTF HAPPENED?!?! | ||
| 20buellteam |
When you drained the oil from the the swing arm tank did the volume look reasonable ie/ at least 2 quarts or more? Was the dip stick still screwed into the tank while draining? if so, maybe you pulled some vacuum on the drain and it would not release the entire volume. I think your oil filter is OK as you said nothing started up and/or pumped the oil at all. Drain the oil at the tank again (with the dip stick out)since you had so much old oil hanging out in there your new oil is no longer fresh. Refill as normal and check again hot to top off. Good luck  Enjoy your track day ride | ||
| Jraice |
I didnt watch it come out so I cant say how much it was... The container its in was near empty so I suppose I could check to see how much was drained. Yes I had removed the dipstick. I put the drain plug back in before removing the filter. Also I didnt remove the filter for about 5-10min after the basic draining so I wonder if maybe some of the oil contained in the filter drained back into the motor? So am I crazy to want to drain, fill with dino, run it to heat it up and then drain the dino and put in syn again? Just to flush it out since its cold now and might not fully drain (and looked pretty dark)? I am pretty bummed as I wanted to run Amsoil synthetic but now only have 2.2 quarts left and dont know if I can find more locally... If I cant I guess Ill run Syn3 :/. | ||
| Rsh |
First a brake pad problem, now an oil change problem...maybe it's just not your day. I hope you have better luck on track day. | ||
| Calimari |
I had that happen. I think 2.5 quarts might be too much. I drained some oil, did a quick ride, then added a little more oil since it was reading a tad low. No problems since. | ||
| Jraice |
Calimari... It just seemed to happen way to early... Like if it were the last 1/2 quart thats one thing. Regardless, I guess I know what I need to do. Just need to decide whether to take the time to "flush" it with some hot dino oil or just drain it all cold, refill and forget. And I need to decide whether to take the time to search for some amsoil or just run Syn3. | ||
| Jraice |
I learned a lesson tonight. Even if you have done it before. Read the $#%# manual and look at the pictures. I think I win the award for the biggest maintenance moron of the year. I drained the tranny, then refilled the engine. I was thinking I'd remove some excess and run the bike but then I'd be dirtying up my oil filter. I am thinking instead Ill just drain everything and then put in some fresh oil (probably syn3 as I dont really want to bother trying to find some Amsoil, but Ill call a few places first) and also refill the tranny and then run it... Should be fine. Plus I am going to the track this weekend so Ill be changing it again no later then 2500 miles, probably just do it at 10,000 miles to get back on track (a bit over 8,000 right now) with the maintenance schedule oil wise since the valve seal rebuild. I heard some good things about a 20,000 mile old motor that was taken apart and looked brand new and had used Syn3. Thinking about doing syn3 in the motor and formula+ in the tranny from now on. A lot easier to get locally then the Amsoil. I'll have to see how the price compares. | ||
| Froggy |
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| Jraice |
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| Greg_e |
Since I'm looking to buy an XB, let me ask a question... Drain the oil from swingarm, tranny, and engine (3 places), is this correct? Just trying to prevent something similar from happening to me. | ||
| Jeffroj |
Engine oil from swingarm, trans fluid from primary case, and oil filter. I would say it is very simple, but Jraice has proven that to be an incorrect statement. J/K We all goof up sometimes. | ||
| Jraice |
Haha got home, pic loaded. Thanks Froggy  . Two holes... as Jeff said. Okay guys I just drained the engine. Guessing I got enough out of the primary, I drained it on the side stand but did stand it up for 10-20 seconds so enough is out, dont want to bother removing that drain plug again. Letting the engine drain while I go buy some syn3 and formula+, top it back off, then riding from around 4:30 till late into the night (can you say coastal night ride!)... Then back home and probably no more riding till this weekend... at the track . | ||
| Oddalloy |
Jraice... at least you didn't drill a hole through your ECM! | ||
| Jraice |
Haha... Or put "NOS" energy drink in my fuel tank . Bike runs great! Just did a long ride. | ||
| Swordsman |
To make you feel better: A guy here at work changed the oil in his 90-something Toyota MR2. Said it took 3 hours. Why so long, you may ask? Because it takes a lot of time and patience to pour that many quarts through the dipstick hole! True story. ~SM | ||
| Fast1075 |
Thats not as bad as the time when I was working in a maintenance shop...the boss had a new guy change the oil in a truck... Dude came over to my work space and asked if we had any more oil...we had just gotten a new 55 gallon drum of oil the day before...thinking he had used up the 2 gallon pour-bucket...I pointed out the drum with the dispense pump... He said he knew that...and had used all the oil up and needed more...he had tried to literally FILL UP an 8V-71 Detroit diesel with oil!!!! | ||
| Kowpow225 |
 Great story. I'm just glad you figured it out before a ride. I can hear that tranny thanking you now. | ||
| Jraice |
I dont know anything about oil changes in cars. Where do you pour the oil besides the dipstick hole (like you would on a bike)? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Where do you pour the oil besides the dipstick hole (like you would on a bike)? Uh...i suggest you cease and desist any maintenance on your bike immediately! } | ||
| Jraice |
WTF? Last I checked there is no way to put oil in the bike besides the same hole the dipstick comes out of Fresnobuell... My question was for Swordsman who said someone put oil into a Toyota through the dipstick hole. I have never worked on a car, only my 3 bikes, and cant say that I know where to put the oil in a car... But on the Buell you put it in the dipstick hole. Please explain to me how I have (as well as the manual) been doing the wrong thing all this time . Cause I sure dont know of any other way to put oil in the bike, except maybe pushign it up through the drain plug hole hahaha. | ||
| Froggy |
2003 Blast - Oil goes in dipstick hole 2006 Uly - Oil goes in dipstick hole 2006 SS - Oil goes in dipstick hole 2009 1125CR - Oil goes in dipstick hole Perhaps Fresno fips his bike over and fills it via the drain plug! :P Ok seriously, *most* cars have a large oil fill hole and a skinny dipstick hole. Some cars have only a large dipstick hole, others (some new BMWs) lack a dipstick at all. | ||
| Jeffroj |
Jraice, most automobile engines' oil fill hole is located on the valve cover. | ||
| Jraice |
Haha so I am assuming Fresno thought I was asking about where oil goes on the bike and not saying I was confused because I have never put oil in a car? I know where oil goes on the Buell :P. | ||
| Firstfamily |
Where do you pour the oil besides the dipstick hole (like you would on a bike)? holy hell bro...for real? | ||
| Swordsman |
Jraice, just about every car I've ever seen to date has a cap on one of the valve covers, and the hole beneath is usually about 2" in diameter. The caps tend to have a picture of a retro-styled oiling can, or actually say "OIL", and lists the weight of oil required. ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on September 25, 2009) | ||
| Zatco81 |
Or look for the 710 cap, you can also pour oil there. | ||
| Andymnelson |
Yeah Zach, I have always used the 710 opening.  | ||
| Jraice |
Firstfamily now to?!? You guys must've misunderstood what I said... I dont think its that logical to think that cars have a cap on one of the valve covers... given that I have never done an oil change in a car. And that has nothing to do with my ability to do one on a bike. Whats the hate for? Anyways... Bike is running and shifting great, I am off to the track for the weekend! | ||
| Zatco81 |
J--just joking around man. How was the track? | ||
| Xbswede |
One of the funnier threads I have read for a while. LOL Glad you figured it out before running it though. | ||
| Jraice |
Track was amazing... Fouled a plug somehow though 3 sessions before the end of Saturday :/... Didnt get it fixed until just before lunch Sunday AND it was $200!!! But I did get the bike dyno'd while it was being worked on, and got to run B- and B+ Sunday afternoon to make up for lost time, which worked out well because I was getting to fast for B- . Dyno was 86hp and the a/f was going all over the place and WAYYYY lean. All I have is a drummer. Best lap was a 2:17.4 (had another :17 and an :18 all in one session so somewhat consistent) which apparently is pretty good for a first timer at Thunderhill. My BP wasnt as good on the right as it was on the left and by the end of the day I dragged peg on two different right turns, never dragged before, pretty scary at race speeds! Simply removed my feelers and was all better. Also I think it was a bit to hot out there for the edge compound of the BT-016's. They felt pretty good and had plenty of grip but I was told from an instructor following me that I was leaving black trails out of the corners. All in all a very very fun weekend! Oh and I got to do a two up ride with a pro AFM racer who ran 1:54's back in the day... Started it off with a power wheelie down the front straight, then inside pass after inside pass after inside pass, wheelies on the back straight as you crest a hill at 125mph every lap, dragging knee one handed (posing for a camera). Pure insanity, and all with me on the back. |
