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Chippy
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 06:49 am: | 
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Pssst... I used the two holes for the bolts that hold my homemade open airbox lid down. Took a scrollsaw and went to town on the stocker, drilled 2 more holes and saved myself 70$ plus shipping. |
Aptbldr
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 07:22 am: |
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Tarshi, is red boot secured with one hose clamp the air filter's connection?
(last photo, "me too" series) |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:27 pm: |
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So, I asked myself what I wanted out of the reroute. First/Not to put the oily mess in my throttle body. Second/To remove dirty air from entering the cylinders. And maybe get an extra horse for it. Three/I don't want to have to drain a container everytime I get fuel or ever. I'm not on a race track, so I don't need a catch can. This is my solution. It answers 1-3.
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Armymedic
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:41 pm: |
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+1 Ourdee
I originally had a bolt in the end of the tube but found out that there was quite a bit of air/gases coming out and I didn't want to restrict airflow out so now I leave the end open, not to mention it is T'd up top to a breather filter. I do occasionally have to wipe up my garage floor as it likes to spit spooge out. |
Miko_k
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:45 pm: |
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+1 Ourdee! I did the same thing, except my crankcase & transmission hoses are hidden behind the left rearset. I hate making things more complicated, than they should be. Draining catch cans and stuff. Pffff  |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 08:06 pm: |
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}hidden behind the left rearset
I am still thinking of doing that, but it got late so I just finished it this way. I'll revisit it later. |
Miko_k
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 01:30 am: |
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The factory plastic clip for the vent tube is so big, I have cut out the stuff on the inside and ran the breather hose through it, the vent tube is zip-tied to the breather hose  |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 05:41 pm: |
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I just zip-tied the hose to the vent tube. It hides real well there. |
Gambit
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 09:01 pm: |
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forgive my ignorance but isn't a breather filter kind of redundant if you have routed the vent tube through the inline filter/catch can? i am thinking that all the liquid stuff will have been trapped in the catch can and just gases will be released through making the filter at the end not necessary...
please correct me if i am mistaken. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 11:48 pm: |
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Why trap any of it. I don't want it. |
Firebolt32
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 02:46 am: |
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Gambit...I would think without the breather the gases/air would eventually pressurize the can. It has no where to go. My wrong guys?
Never thought about running that without the can. Sunday's project...thanks guys.
Also guys running the Lowes petcock style cans...be careful where you place them. Look at the close up of Junior's. That little blemish just behind the can on the primary cover can get bad if you let it. I ran the same thing for a while and it rubbed the black off my cover. Just a heads up. I have 03 plastics on my bike so I put the can in the hole of the chin fairing. Don't put it there...ROCKS!
(Message edited by Firebolt32 on April 16, 2009) |
Jdorp_
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 08:51 am: |
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so basically you do this by attaching those two hoses in the air box, and running one hose down to a catch can, then running a filter after or just before that catch can on the same line? |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:15 am: |
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If youre gonna run a filter, it has to be maintained. I left my line open to avoid this. Mine also routes to the left side behind the rider peg. I was told by a few mechanics to leave it that way. As soon as there is resistance in the breather line, it starts counteracting the effect of the breathers. As far as worrying about stuff getting in the tube, and traveling up to the heads, don't be concerned. As long as the tube runs downhill, there isn't anything to worry about. It's almost impossible to get a piece of dirt or debris to go 2 feet uphill, through a "spooge" lined tube, and around a 90 degree bend (tee in the line), and into the head. Also, if the breather valve is working properly, it only lets stuff out, not in. This is why I decided not to go with a catch can. For me, it just increases the possibility of clogs. |
Blacklightning
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:21 am: |
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What about insects? I have bad luck, murphy's law bad luck. You can make arguements, but the simple fact is that with no filter, you are exposing your crankcase directly to the environment. If you feel gravity is enough of a filter, it's your engine........ thoughts? |
Randomchaos
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:38 am: |
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I would rather not have the splooge go flying out of a hose and onto my reartire when I'm mid turn and riding aggressively. You really dont have to worry about the catchcan that much. I have over 150 miles on mine now, and its barely a 5th of the way full. Should be able to go a good distance before I have to worry about taking 5 seconds to turn a nob, let it drain, then tighten the nob back up. Tooless FTW! |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 12:57 pm: |
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Both good points. I'm not too worried about insects trying to reside in an inhospitable area. Also, the ones small enough to crawl up the tube, probably don't have enough strength to get all the way up the tube. That would be like a person trying to get through 5mi. of 2ft thick clay mud. It's gonna take a little time, and oil is not friendly to any organism. Also, majority of insects breathe through small slits in the body, or oxygen exchange directly through the skin of the body. This makes them very succeptible to suffocation. Especially when coated with oil. Let us also keep in mind, that there should only be air coming out of the tube. If its taking air in, then theres a different problem. I think that when the tubes are routed into the intake, the engine ingests more damaging stuff than if something crawled up the breather tube. A lot of posts here talk about the stuff found in the airbox, throttle body, and cylinder heads when the lines are routed to the intake. Carbon buildup from burning the air/oil mix, ruined O2 sensors, fouled plugs from carbon, etc. I'm also not depending on gravity as a filter. The preexisting spooge in the lines probably does well to "catch" any debris that gets in there from the outside. Even with or without a filter, the crankcase will be exposed one way or another to the environment. If you shut off your engine, and it stops with a valve open, and sits all night, I assure you, the cylinder is exposed to the environment, and the air will circulate through it overnight. This is why we have PCV valves. They only flow one way. Out of the crankcase. When the engine is shut off, the valves close, and seal off the crankcase from the breather side. Therefore, nothing can get into the engine going up the tube. I also understand that a catch can is low maintenance. It's not a big chore to empty it, but the amount of stuff coming out the tube is not a big deal. I would be more concerned about the guy/gal in front of me with a improperly maintained car puking more oil on the street than me. I also understand the point of a catch can on a racetrack, but I did'nt run my breather tube to my rear tire. Nor do I do much time on a closed circuit. If I was to do a track day, I would certainly put a catch can on. Don't get me wrong guys, this is just what I've learned here. None of us are wrong. We just have different opinions. If you're riding as a regular mode of transportation on the street, and not racing, then all of us are right. If you're on a track racing, use a can. If enough oil is coming out of the tube to get to the rear tire, put a can on, or reroute the tube, and look for other problems. All I now, is that my bike runs a lot smoother now, and my tube comes out by the exhaust outlet. It works fine, and dose'nt leave a puddle on the garage floor. Catch can, or no catch can, it still works for my purpose. And my instinct of self preservation keeps me from crawling through nasty places to find a new home. Damn that was long. Rebuttles are welcome. Ride safe y'all! |
Armymedic
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 01:14 pm: |
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+1 Gunut75
I don't use a catch can as I don't want to restrict the outflow of gases in anyway. |
Zatco81
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 01:22 pm: |
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Well, with all this talk of "spooge" in the line and trapping small insects and debris in the hose it raises the question: should the hose be cleaned out every so often also? I'm thinking a colony of ants could stop up the hose thus making it ineffective.  |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 04:15 pm: |
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A shot from the ol' air compressor (FROM the tee!) NOT while the hose is connected to the engine. |
Runswithlightning
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 08:52 pm: |
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Tarshi, how is your intake setup done? Like what kind and size of filter did you use? Looks very sharp I really like it. Kudos. |
Raymondt
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 03:04 pm: |
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As a note to this type of modification. I have had fuel puddles next to my bike after aggressive riding so I rerouted the fuel puke tube from the stock location so that it went down the rear brake line inside the swing arm and out beyond the rear wheel since I often saw fuel puddles and thought I might have compromised traction. You may be able to combine the two and have the fuel overflow clean the oil and ants out every so often. |
Tarshi
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 03:33 pm: |
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Runswithlightning,
Actually I had changed the air cleaner setup. I used stock funnel instead of red joint because this is much better secure also better air flow. I will show it to you guys by better pics later. |
Tarshi
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 03:57 pm: |
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This is my better pic. (just kidding!)
I will take real pics later.
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Union_man
| | Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 01:47 pm: |
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Ourdee....PM sent. |
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