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Swordsman
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did all the fueling gremlins finally get taken care of? I haven't noticed any complaints lately about the crummy gas mileage and whatnot for the 2008+ models.

~SM
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Xbrfirebolt
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's still the same. Just no point in beating a dead horse. It's been talked about, nothings changed.
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Xbgeorge
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I haven't rode mine in over three months, due to my northern Illinois, southern Wisconsin location. I was only getting 38-39 mpg in early November. The stumble was still there, but only right after warm-up. After the first launch it was fine. In the summer, the stumble happened at very random times. It was unpredictable and almost caused me to dump the bike on more than one occasion. This did seem to happen mostly during sharp right turns at a stop sign or light.

I haven't done the breather mod yet. It is on my to-do list this spring. I have to have thumb surgery on my throttle hand, so I won't be riding for a little while. I might as well do the mods and take off the warning stickers.
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Spacecapsule1
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

not a single thing has changed. still crappy. i have over 14k on my 08 and still average 38mpg.

still surging
still coughing
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Hr_puffinstuff
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

7100 miles on my Ss

44 mpg on average

no surging, coughing, sputtering, or stumbling
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Voofighters
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

7600 miles on my XB12Scg 08'
40 mpg .. same as always

(Message edited by voofighters on February 27, 2009)
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Bikertrash05
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Of the 1500 miles I put on my '09 last year, it seemed much smoother then my '08. Also, a couple weeks ago when the weather was in the 50s, it started right up. My '08 would have needed a few tries.
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Boltrider
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

6200 miles on my 2008, around 40 mpg on average.
Bike runs like a champ.

(Message edited by boltrider on February 27, 2009)
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Spacecapsule1
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...no low rpm surging? Heck, mine surges up to 3500 rpm. If blip the throttle for a downshift, sometimes it'll cough through the intake, sometime enough to stall. Yes, it's warmed up.

Sometimes I'll get a freakish 42mpg.
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Wavex
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

5k miles '09 XB12Scg with 40mpg average (could easily get more by riding mellow).
No surging, coughing, or stumbling.
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Big_b
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2k miles on my 09SS avg 45mpg no coughing, surging or stumbling. I have noticed that if I can find a gas station that doesn't have 10% ethanol added to their gas I will get better mileage and the bike seems to run better. Maybe it's just my imagination.
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Ecan95242
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

40mpg....wow...im lucky to get that on the freeway. 5000 on xb12r
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Bikertrash05
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Big_b, not your imagination. Ethanol makes gas burns hotter and more of it.
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Ikeman
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

08 XB12R 1200 miles w/old econo-Drummer from my now traded 06 Uly - consistent 45mpg mostly commuting to work (combo of freeway/surface streets). And it's a lot smoother than the Uly was from idle to redline (no coughing, sputtering, stalling, etc.).
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Boltrider
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can let mine crawl at idle and that's the only time the motor is unhappy.
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Bartimus
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

11,250 miles on my '08 XT, and it's still surging and sputtering.
but the factory says, "that's normal".

I've lost all faith in the company, due to this piss-poor response to the issue.
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Wavex
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think they're just telling you the truth. That the XBs have a tendency to surge and sputter if ridden <2.5k
Thats why I try to keep it at >5k rpms at all times : D

(Message edited by wavex on February 27, 2009)
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ecmspy took care of everything but the MPG on my 08. I should note, I don't know what it is doing below 3000 RPM as I just don't run my bike in that low of an RPM range...
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Bartimus
Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Paint shaker,
how did you use ECMspy on your '08?
Can you PM me with details?
Thanks,

Bart
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Spacewolf
Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bart,
Download ECMspy2 from xopti's site, and the VCP driver software
Get yourself a cable...they are relatively inexpensive
Hook the bike up to ecmspy, and have a bit of a look around at it...
then ask xopti to sort it out for ya
Easy as that...but does take a little time, as Xopti has to manually sort out the eeprom sheets.
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Nobuell
Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Spacewolf

Does that work on the later 08s?
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Xbswede
Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You can use ECM Spy on 08 but you have to manually enter the hex values.

This is why you need to contact Xopti to help with the data or XB9.

Its not all done in one program but still doable with a little extra effort.
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Spacewolf
Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 03:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nobuell,
Mine is a may 08 build...probly one of the last 08's, and it worked good...got rid of the bottom ned hesitation, and smoothed out the rest a little.
Xopti actually changes the CPU programm sort of. It's hard to explain (if you don't know what you're talkin about!).
His results are worth it...
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bart, PM sent
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Bartimus
Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks guys,
I traded in my '05 city-X for this XT. It ran flawlessly at ALL rpms, and never had any problems in 26,000 miles.
I have ECMcpy, and have poked around the XT's ECM, but didn't know about changing the Hex values to modify your maps.
I will do some experimenting next weekend to see if I can resolve any of my surging issues.
Thanks again!
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Eicas
Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had gotten used to how my stock '08 ran, accepted it, and then learned how to work around it, so stopped complaining. After all, it still is a great bike, just not a perfect one.

Last week I just put on a new Drummer SS muffler and it defiantly runs better, not perfect but better.

Not enough miles on it yet to know about any mpg change. Before I was mostly in the low to mid 40 with one or two spikes into the low 50 mpg range. Not really sure what caused the good mpg tank.

Going to try different plugs next, thinking that may help a bit also.

May eventually try the ECM Spy, but am a bit gun shy of the process, and do not have much fiddle time to work out any complications, so that will be my last option.

In the mean time I do continue to enjoy this not 100% perfect bike.
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Srwitt
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

~7300 Miles 08 12R. still 40-42mpg, coughs and sputters on occasion.

Just changed out the HD branded plugs for Buell branded plugs, look like a splitfire with platinum electrodes. The bike seems to run a little better, less coughing and sputtering.
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Artic_12_r
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

0812R 2500 miles, reflash then K&N filter, race pipe and Twintec tunner. No issues at all, anymore that is.
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Blak
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sorry, new guy, this only 2nd post. my 07 xb12stt has less than 400miles on it. it stumbles often right off the line, warm or cold.....is this the same as you guys talking about? i also hav2 giv it tiny bit of throttle to start when cold out(20-35degrees).chek engine light also comes on in those cold temps...love the bike, BUT hate that my NEW xb and wife's NEW blast both seem to run like crap.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blak- Nope, 07 and earlier bikes use a different FI system. You probably just need your TPS reset. Your dealer can do it (it's also part of the 1k mile service) or you can download ECMspy for free, build or buy a cable, and do it yourself.
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