| Author | Message | ||
     Fastxb12r |
I need to buy some tires and am rather broke so I gotta buy some "EL CHEAPO" tires.I just need to know if anybody else has ran or is running these tires and how well do you like them/any info/opinions.I hope they are cheap as in money not cheap as in built. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&item=110357986973&ssPageName%20=%20HPm2:Fea tured | ||
| Hammer71 |
Have run a set when I was down on cash, heavy tire but has more meat to em and last a bit longer, warmup takes a bit but they held up good once warm. Grip isnt exactly rosso or pilot power but i had no issues with them while dragging knees and peg feelers. Tracker used a set on a few trackdays as well. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I've heard mixed results with the tomahawks. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
I like 'em just fine. We've been through several sets, all from eBay and normally in the $120 range per set. I had one rear that just wouldn't balance properly without a glob of weight, but other than that no problems. | ||
| Barker |
if you trust retreads, go for it. | ||
| Sleez |
they are not retreads, they are remolds. read about them before spewing crap! they use the same technology for aircraft tires, much more load than any moto tire will ever see. if you don't like them, don't buy them. any tire can fail if it has a defect, any piece of metal can fail if it has a defect...are you afraid of every piece of your motorcycle? they do take a bit to warm up, feel as good as most sport/touring tires and the mileage is good. can't beat the price usually. why do so many people jump on a negative bandwagon, as if they are so far above anything but "their" thing, no support, just ridiculous! whatever. | ||
| Sleez |
Tomahawk rubber is supplied under a proprietary confidentiality agreement with a major USA Racing Tire Manufacturer. These formulas are in use at some of the top racing venues. Race tested, proven and manufactured in Europe for years, now made in the USA in our advanced aircraft tire plant. Remanufactured side by side with 225 MPH aircraft tires, our tires go through the same process and inspections as our aircraft tires by FAA certified staff. German Laser Shearography testing of each of our remanufactured tires ensures a 100% quality product, just like our 225 MPH aircraft tires. All Tires are ZR Rated All tires go through Laser Shearography (X-Ray) FAQ's 1. The tires that you sell are "remanufactured", what does that mean? We use radial tire carcasses to remold our proprietary rubber process onto the used tire carcass. Our process is similar in many ways to how a new tire is made. The only thing that is recycled is the carcass. The method is not like a truck tire, which has a pre-cured tread, applied with glue. Our tires are mechanically shaved down via a computer controlled buffing machine to a precise level and then new, uncured rubber is reapplied via a computerized extruding machine in pre-selected compounds. The tires are then inserted into individual molds that have the tread patterns in them and they are recured at high temperature and high pressure….just like a new tire. The motorcycle tires are manufactured with the same processes and quality assurance checks as our aircraft retreads. We use all types of carcass in our process, the types and designs are similar to what you would see coming off of any current bike. 2. The tires are retreaded, is that safe for motorcycles? Our company has always used the most current technologies; processes, materials and NDT (non-destructive testing) to insure all tires (aircraft or motorcycle) meet our high standards. Most people associate retreads with the chunks of rubber they see on the freeway or expressway lanes, and some of those chunks are from retreads, however, a significant portion is also from new tires. Most of those tread chunks are from over the road truck dual tire systems, and the cause is where one tire in that dual system has gone flat or has very low pressure, which puts an undue strain on its matching tire. If unchecked, this condition will overheat/overload the tire which has the correct air pressure, and lead to a flat tire, blowout or uncontained failure on that tire, which is what you would see on the pavement. The best practice for tire maintenance (new or retread) is to regularly check and maintain the correct tire pressure as stated in the owner's manual of the vehicle. 3. My dad said he had retreads on his cars, and they were terrible, unreliable but very cheap, is that how your tires perform? Retreads have come a long way since people were using them on their cars. There are 1000's of truck tire retreaders in the U.S., and most produce an excellent product, but there are only five FAA certified aircraft retreaders in the U.S., and we are one of those retreaders, which include Goodyear, Michelin, Bridgestone and one other independent. Most people are unaware that every time they board a jet transport aircraft, they are riding on retreaded tires. Airlines such as Delta, Southwest, American, Northwest, United, Usair, etc., trust retreads to safely transport 100-300+ people on aircraft valued at over 100 million, on every flight. Safety is the number one concern at any airline, and if their retread tires weren't safe, they wouldn't use them, period. 4. How do your motorcycle retreads differ from other retread tires? The first thing is D.O.T. approval. We are also approved for aircraft retreads as a certified repair station with the Federal Aviation Administration. Although the D.O.T. has no standards for motorcycle retreads as of yet, we comply with the standards set forth in CFR 571, which has the retread standards for passenger car, and truck tires. We must meet the minimum standards set forth in the CFR's. We go above and beyond those standards, by utilizing exacting tolerances and NDT checks on each tire we produce. One of the NDT techniques we use is laser shearography validation of the tire carcass. In its basic function, laser shearography takes x-rays in real time of the used carcass while in a vacuum, to detect flaws or separations of tread plies, bead plies or any other carcass abnormality, which might affect the performance of the tire. This technique covers the used carcass from bead to bead, and if abnormalities are detected, the carcass is scrapped. The carcass then goes through visual and dimensional NDT checks, balancing, and then through the retread processes and final quality assurance checks before being shipped to the customer. 5. Why do you offer three compounds? Every rider has a different riding style, techniques, and criteria on how he/she wants he tires to perform. Some riders want the longest wearing tire for commuting, some sportbike riders may want a combination of a longer wearing tire with optimal dry traction, and good wet running capabilities, and other aggressive riders would choose the stickiest grip compound for track/race use and are not concerned with longevity of the tire. 6. Are you the only ones that retread motorcycle tires? Our joint venture affiliate in the U.K., has been retreading motorcycle tires since 1995, with over 10,000 units in service. then again, maybe it's all propaganda!!! | ||
| Old_man |
I don't look to save money on my tires. I try to get the best tire regardless of price. Not saying that they are not good tires, I don't know one way or the other. I do know that the original Dunlops on my bike were a waste. I tossed them with less than 1000 miles on them. | ||
| Sleez |
by the same token, i have had a few sets of dunlops that were great tires on the S3 and S1W. never had an issue with them. maybe XBs are more sensitive to them??? the only tires i have tried and not liked, are some track take-offs, they would never get to temp on the street. they were scary. whatever tires you choose, make sure they are rated for the speed, and type of riding you do, and most will outperform the average rider. | ||
| Old_man |
dunlops that were great tires on the S3 and S1W Probably a different tire than what came on the XB | ||
| Sleez |
205s and 207s, not sure what came on the XBs. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I had a rear on one as an emergency replacement. They stuck well once they warmed up, but they did take longer than other tires. I didn't notice any real weight impact. I would recommend them if you were looking for a low cost tire. | ||
| Old_man |
They advertised a specially designed lightweight Dunlop for the XB. It resisted turning, stood the bike up on braking and wasn't particularly sticky. I have ridden bikes for almost 50 years, they were, by far, the worst tires I have experienced. | ||
| Id073897 |
Tomahawk is a tire brand of Desser Tire & Rubber Co. Inc., Montebello CA. http://shop.desser.com/IW_Products.m4p.pvx?;products_no_tree?company=DTR&cat=MOTOTIRES | ||
| Fastxb12r |
WOW thats alot of info thank you all who helped.I am going to go ahead and get them the question I have now is on Id073897 link they have two different tread designs "180/55 ZR 17 T3 BLACK SPORT COMPOUND " "180/55 ZR 17 BLACK SPORT COMPOUND T1 DESIGN " do you think there is a difference other than looks? | ||
| Fastxb12r |
nevermind I figured it out T3 is stickier so thats the one do you think the 190/50 ZR 17 will fit the bike? | ||
| Nillaice |
it will. the 180/190 debate has been beaten to death. read up on it, or just stick with what erik put un these bikes of his/ours | ||
| Nillaice |
i got the shinko's for 160 to my door. no problems so far. like 'em. but i had to pay 2 HD stealerships to get them balanced. coullda bought a set of pirellli's for the $ i had to spend..... but prolly still woudda had to pay for a seperate balancing.....  | ||
| Slaughter |
I don't know if you have a Cycle Gear near you but I think they are still offering FREE balancing! | ||
| Jraice |
I'd assume its only free at CG if you buy the tires there... | ||
| Slaughter |
NO - that was the cool thing! I mounted the tires at a buddy's place and took them to CG. Haven't been into the local CG for a month - don't know if the offer is still on or not... can't tell from their website. | ||
| Fastxb12r |
cool thanks for the info slaughter I got one like 15 minutes from my house. | ||
| Slaughter |
Check with Tomahawk on the marks for the tires when you mount them. They should have a mark to use to line up the carcass with the valve stem... usually a painted dot. The carcass is always slightly weight-biased on the side OPPOSITE the valve stem and the tires are marked so you know where the valve stem goes when mounting... make sure you ask first - otherwise they're going to have to use TRIPLE the amount of weight to balance. AMA Tire Discussion (Message edited by slaughter on March 02, 2009) | ||
| Barker |
edited. to much coffee. (Message edited by barker on March 03, 2009) | ||
| Gowindward |
Look at the Shinko Raven 009 sport touring tires at Ironponydirect.com. I have been using them on my XB12R and S3T since late last summer/ fall. They are a good tire at a great price. | ||
| Mmcn49 |
At 6700 miles my Pirelli rear tire is about down to the wear marks. Front tire looks almost new. Tomahawk claims their T3 tread pattern is close to the Pirelli Diablo. Any problems with running a Tomahawk rear & Pirelli front? I'm not a knee dragger. | ||
| Swordsman |
The only bad things I've heard about Tomahawks (I did a bit of searching awhile back because i was interested also) is that the front tires tend to be heavier than others, and wet grip is iffy. BUT, that may be depending on which of the three compounds that person was using... I didn't see where they specified. I always liked the colored street tires just for the sheer novelty of it, but it appears they're discontinued. I can't find a way to purchase them on the site, though they still display all the marketing photos for them. ~SM | ||
| Swordsman |
Wait, are they even still in business? I just sent them an email, and look at the automated response: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: sales@cycletires.com Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.7.17) (state 14). (Message edited by Swordsman on March 04, 2009) | ||
| Mesa_cityx |
I'm going to try a set, low on cash and all... |
