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Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:35 pm: | 
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"I'm pretty sure you only have to go by your own state law. No law in Kansas!"
It doesn't exactly work that way...
For example, RADAR detectors are legal in my state, but illegal in VA... If I get pulled in VA and the po-po sees it, he can ticket me and take the RADAR detector.
Out of curiosity, why the need for the flip up plate? Other than so the po-po can't see it, or Joe Public can't see it to report you to the po-po... |
Duff24
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:46 pm: |
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I ride with a few crazy guys who make it hard to obey the law sometimes  |
Duff24
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:50 pm: |
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Besides, like Mbest stated at the top, what about plate placement, window tint, blinkers, etc? Not every state is the same so they can't enforce out of state laws? |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:56 pm: |
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Hey folks - I have a helpful hint (with more than a little sarcasm): pay attention to the laws WHERE YOU ARE SITTING when you face the local police!
We are paying the price of our dumbassed buddies who are convinced that they HAVE TO stunt and street race in the public eye (and often record it on youtube!)
If I were emperor - I'd have ONE LAW: DO NOT DO ANYTHING STUPID and I'd train my enforcers in what I considered STUPID to be so they knew it when they saw it. |
Duff24
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 08:04 pm: |
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I still don't understand why they act like its the end of the world when they catch you wheelying. Who are we hurting? And I mean not breaking the speed limit either.
(Message edited by duff24 on February 09, 2009) |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 08:33 pm: |
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Duff,
No offense, but Mbest doesn't live in Florida and I would not take his word as "the gospel" on Florida Traffic Laws.
All I can say is good luck to you... Your tag being mounted like that is an "attention getter", and I am sure you can find the attention you seek if you try hard enough. |
Duff24
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 08:53 pm: |
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I'm not saying he knows everything. I'm just saying that's the way I think about it, because it's a good point and nobody can specify otherwise thus far.
If you didn't know it was there, you wouldn't even be able to tell. It's kinda like carrying a concealed weapon, outta sight outta mind. |
Bearracing
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 10:37 pm: |
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Duff, How do the Kansas and Mo. Cops treat ya if they see you doing a wheelie on the streets or hwy? |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:57 pm: |
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Why the issue with wheelies? Is that a serious question?
Way too many people out stunting on the streets and wheelying on the interstates are
novices so green that the sierra club anually considers lobbying for protecting them
from loggers.
They have not developed the skills they need to control their bike and keep it from
careening off of moving and parked cars, curbs, pedestrians, medians, etc. etc. etc.
They cause damage and run leaving others to pick up the tab, or worse yet get themselves
killed or seriously injured trying to show off their "mad skillz" (tongue firmly in cheek).
While stunters appreciate the skills of other stunters, and the average teen to twenty-
something is impressed by an impromptu stunt show in traffic for the most part it does
more to erode our rights as riders than all of the open-piped harleys combined because
to the average adult car driver it isn't a small minority acting this way, it is everyone
on a sport bike that rides this way....all the time (as far as they are concerned).
There is a time and a place for everything and in traffic is not the place for stunting.
If the cop spots you doing it that means you did not have either the road closed off,
are not on private property, or do not have 100% situational awareness and therefore
could end up as a hood ornament or worse yet a speed bump.
I enjoy watching stunt shows, in the proper setting, and I know you have some serious
skills Duff. I just worry about these kids out there on liter bikes that get in way over
their heads and put the price (bounty) on all of our heads for their incompetence and
immaturity.
Sorry if i come off as an old curmudgeon here, but I have had to sit in line with a dozen
or more sport bike riders for an "equipment and paperwork check" so that the police
could try to curtail some of this behavior at sport bike hangouts. The many law abiding
riders paid for and continue to pay the price for the few "outlaw" riders to have
their fun on open public roads. This will only continue until the non-riding public (which
far out-number the riders in this country) runs out of patience and outlaws what they see as
the root cause of this behavior, and then there will be no more sport bikes to ride.
If you think I'm being alarmist ask the two stroke dirt bike owners in CA where and
when they are allowed to ride them at public off-road parks or your local skateboarders
about the legality of skating on either the road or sidewalks. After all what's the
harm in a little skating? .....right? |
Duff24
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 12:49 am: |
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You expect me to follow that?.......I'm so glad they protect me from myself.
I've been treated every way that you can be treated. I've even had cops give me the thumbs up when doing a controlled wheelie. I've also been put in handcuffs. Just depends on what part of town you're in and how they're feeling that day.
My favorite is when we park on this 1/4 mile strip where nobody drives, and play around doing wheelies and such. No burnouts just wheelies/stoppies. Then Johnny high horse comes along and yells at us threatening to give us tickets for loitering or whatever. Where do you think we're gonna go? Back to the highways to scare innocent little old ladies.
Sorry if I sound like a hooligan sportbike punk, I'm just speaking from experience. Not too many Buell guys get mixed up with the crotch rocket guys, I just like to show them what Buells are made of......... |
Xb12mel
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 09:54 am: |
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Hooligan? Did someone say Hooligan? (I resemble that remark  )
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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 10:43 am: |
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I understand where you're coming from Duff.
There are ways to make things work in your favor too though, if you get a permit through
your local city for a demonstration (like getting a parade permit) many police departments
will not only work with you, they will even set up barricades and signs to re-route
traffic around your merry band of stunters and their fans.
There will be hurdles and hoops involved, releases of liability, maybe proof of insurance
or bond (which many larger clubs have to cover their group rides) to cover any damage
and the need for crowd control.
I've been part of doing this kind of demo in the past in So-cal. Unfortunately many
people take the easier...and illegal....path instead.
I'm not out to try to cut stunters off at the knees or anything like that. I admire the
discipline and control it takes to be a top shelf stunter just as much as I admire any
other form of motorsports at their apex
I'm just saying that there are other ways to do it that don't result in public backlash.
That's all. I hate seeing riders get hurt for no good reason and that happens all
too often when stunting on the streets.
Like I said, it not only hurts the rider, but all riders when it gets shown time and again
on the news, worlds wildest police chases, cops.....etc, etc. Any wonder sport riders
currently have a worse image than the hard core biker gangs among the public at large?
After all, they now identify the outlaw biker with their neighbor that dresses up in
his costume for weekend rides (of 10 miles or so) as a break from his day job as a doctor
or lawyer. H-D's "lifestyle" marketing has turned the outlaw image on it's head and
colorful race leathers (or no gear but a helmet) are seen as the REAL threat when they
pull up along side John Q's car. |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 01:13 pm: |
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There is a direct inverse-proportional relationship between age and understanding of the term "liability". As we get older, and come to understand the true nature of liability, most of us have outgrown the urge to act without considering/accepting the consequences. Unfortunately, that's how it's always been, and most likely will remain- but in the meantime laws like these provide a tangible consequence to those who don't yet understand the liability. |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 02:41 pm: |
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The State of Virginia is •••••• up! I wouldn't use them as an example, as bad or worse than California. I was stationed in Virginia and i'll never go back. |
Xoptimizedrsx
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 02:55 pm: |
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paint
is my bike legal?
i did quieten it down.
not so loud any more.
now it just needs dyno then ridden to set the fuel maps. i'm starting over with a clean slate after the rebuild.
mike |
Lighting
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 09:21 pm: |
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Future visitors to the Sunshine State(FLORIDA)beware, they'll be waiting for those who violate the law, the state is in serious financial distress and will squeeze the most they can, trust me I live here and see it every day. My advise to anyone visiting is enjoy while you here and be careful, is like the cops are trying to balance the budget deficit with motor vehicles fines. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 09:21 pm: |
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Mike,
You don't really want to know... lol
Duff,
The manner in which your license plate bracket was mounted at the factory is 50 state legal, no questions asked. Once you modify it, or operate it while modified, you risk a violation of the law, regardless of what state you are ridding in.
By operating your vehicle/motorcycle in the state of Florida you are agreeing to abid by Florida law. If your confident your tag set up is legal down here, gain the attention of an LEO, pull over, take the citation (or not) and see what happens...
I have no other comments on the license plate requirements, unless you can cite a Florida State Statute or case law that specifically exempts you from complying with the license plate mounting law. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 09:36 pm: |
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In my area of the state, there has not been any push to write more citations. In fact, a recent newspaper article explained that citation numbers may actually be down due to the current economic situation affecting us all.
From the article;
Grant said warnings to citations were running at a ratio of 4 to 1, because the sheriff’s office is trying to educate the public. The state, he said, had raised the cost of fines, so more warnings were issued rather than citations.
“If they roll through a stop sign, it’s a $260 citation,” he said. “We’re blue collar ourselves and know families can’t afford these fines in this economy.”
Other simple violations are much more expensive than they used to be, such as having a headlight out, which used to draw a $9 fine. A violation is now $140, he said.
“Officers are not heartless robots out there.” |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 10:00 pm: |
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I guess this is a twist on the old saying: "if you can't afford it- don't buy it". Florida seems to have adopted a "if you can't afford it- don't do it" philosophy on traffic enforcement... as long as it turns idiocy into income it's alright with me. |
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