| Author | Message | ||
     Maryj |
The shop where I work takes bikes on consignment. We had a guy bring in an 04 xb12s yesterday wanting to sell it. It's been down on the right side and there's damage to the frame and swing arm. I know that when the frame is damaged on a Jap bike it's almost instantly totaled. This guy wants to get 5500 out of the bike, but if it's technically totaled then it's kind of unrealistic....so here's some facts about the bike and you guys throw out some numbers that you think would be fair: *The retail on the bike is 5950 according to KBB.com *It's an 04 XB12S COMPLETELY stock *It has 8500 miles on it *There is damage to the right side of the bike....the main damage is to the frame....right where a puck would be, and the swing arm. The other damage on the right side is small scrape on plastic on tail, bar end, brake lever, mirror, and for lack of a better word "bark busters" that come with it. Any input would be helpful! | ||
| Northernyankee |
Its not worth $5500. I bought my 04 12s back in October in Excellent condition with a race kit and only 5000 miles for $5000. With that Damage I would say $3-3500. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Pics of the frame damage? 5500 is crazy if its been down. Depending on damage, he'd be lucky to get 3000-3500. I'm building an XBr from ground up, I'm on the hunt for a frame and have doing alot of research. I work for a welding company who has a fabrication lab and I run damaged frames past our fab shop manager to see what he says. A scraped frame can be fixed, a dented frame adds difficulty, but can be done, a severely cracked and dented frame would most likely be worth nothing more than a "JUNKED". I've seen 3 of these on EBAY that would be for track use only. One guy can only fill his bike 1/2 way before fuel spills out of a crack. So, not all frames will be a total loss, it really depends on the extent of damage and where that damage is on the frame. To get an idea of damaged Buell's and what they go for with salvaged and junked titles, go to www.crashedtoys.com (Message edited by Buellinachinashop on August 29, 2008) | ||
| Maryj |
I'll see if I can get some pics up. BTW, can't you swap the front plastics from the S to the R??? If so I may see if I can get it from him and do that!! | ||
| Skully |
BTW, can't you swap the front plastics from the S to the R??? Yes but it is a lot of work and a lot of $$ Keith | ||
| Vtbueller |
Retail? It's a crashed bike... Retail is for a mint bike at the dealership. If he wants to play the 'Retail' game: $5950 - retail price new frame - retail price of all other parts - dealer labor to swap frames = what bike is worth. Maybe $3000 | ||
| Tpoppa |
No more than 3k | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Less than 3k IMO. | ||
| Roadkingtrax |
3,000 or not...it is only going to be worth what someone will you pay you for it. Engine is worth the most... | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
$1500.00 for the motor on Ebay would be a good price if there's no damage. | ||
| Mbohmann |
I've seen a few dented frames, also right were the pucks would/should be. One guy covered the damage with a puck but was honest about it. Always wondered if a dent could be pulled out like is done for auto body damage? Smaller dents are pulled without access to the inside using a stud welder (would have to use aluminum studs on the Buell frame) and a slide hammer. Multiple studs are welded on and then pulls are progressively made until the area is raised. Then the studs are ground off and filler applied to level the surface. The only problem might be if there is a coating on the inside for fuel retention. Most radiator/gas tank shops have the process for dealing with that. Would certainly save an otherwise junk frame. Agree on the values stated by others. | ||
| Moosestang |
I don't think you can pull dents out of aluminum like you can sheet metal or steel. My aluminum hood on my mustang was dented by a run away fence post and the shop said they don't even try to repair aluminum any more. (Message edited by moosestang on August 30, 2008) | ||
| Mbohmann |
Not too many people skilled in aluminum fabrication and welding. A good guy with the right welding setup (tig?) could probably cut out the damaged area, weld in a formed replacement and make it look like it was never damaged. At the bus shop where I work, we've repaired damaged cast aluminum diesel engine oil pans by that method. If I was having it done, I'd consider having a large diamond-shaped patch of 12ga. aluminum welded over on both sides for stiffeners. 'Course the pucks would prevent any future problems too. | ||
| Packrat |
If the damage to the frame can be SAFELY repaired (is it leaking?).....would a "puck" cover up the affected area?.. can the swingarm be correctly repaired and still look OK? Those would be the most important factors for me.....in any case the dude is smoking some of the "good stuff" if he thinks he can get that much for it...sight unseen, I'd be hard pressed to pay anything over $3,000.00 | ||
| Prof_stack |
I know that when the frame is damaged on a Jap bike it's almost instantly totaled. Not always. My XB9S needed a new frame (+ wheels, primary cover, airbox cover, swingarm, +) and it wasn't totaled. Dunno why. It was (like) a new bike after that. | ||
| Moosestang |
Frame pucks aren't going to prevent all frame damage. There are some pictures on another buell forum where the frame puck was chewed up right down to the frame. | ||
| Maryj |
A puck would cover most of the damage to the frame. It's dented, not leaking fuel or anything. We already buffed the swing arm and it looks better, but we're not trying to hide anything for this guy. When, and if he gets an offer, if the customer hasn't already seen the damage himself then it will be pointed out. I think I'll call him on Tuesday and let him know there's no way in hell that he'll get 5k for it. We already had to call another guy to come get his 05 CBR600F4i because he wouldn't come off 5k....and his bike has also been down on the right side. Ughhhhhhhhhhh, some people!!!!!!!! | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
It was (like) a new bike after that. Norm, didn't you ultimately figure out the insurance company ended up spending more $ to fix it, then just total it? | ||
| Prof_stack |
CorporateJamie: It appeared that my insurance company spent more of th other insurance company's money to repair the XB than it would have cost to total it, somewhere north of $5k in last year's dollars. So it seemed that this case was an anomaly as far as insurance claims are concerned. The current owner of the XB9S sure is happy with it, fully aware of the accident and repairs. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Bringing this thread back from the dead, but I'm worried about Progressive asessing my XB9R tomorrow. My bike and a West Virginia pot hole got in a fight and the pot hole won. Dented frame where the puck should be, maybe less than an inch deep by about 4 inches tall. No leaking, drove the bike 300 miles home no problems. Superficial scratches to swingarm. Hope they don't total it. On top of it I owe money on the bike through a personal loan from my credit union. not only that, took another loan out to pay for little sister's fancy college tuition (George Mason in Fairfax, VA), so the credit union has my title on lien. Hope they can fix it, Hal's fairing is fine but got an excuse for integrated brake/signals and speedzilla mirrors. |
