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     Buckinfubba |
well I finally broke my belt. 14k on the bike. While changing my tire yesterday in prep for a track day I noticed an lil crack in the center of the belt on its top. Well staying tru to form I said I would not change it til it broke. Rode home in the rain til it cleared up a couple mile befor my country estate. Decided then and there I hadn't done any throttle whacks all day and wanted to feel my drummer do its thing. I do about 4 wheelies and thought one more for good measure because I am bored. Whack the gas, wwhhhhaaa the revs flyup I look in the mirror, hell I just killed a snake its in the middle of the road. sure enuff I break it, oh well its in front of my place. I park the bike ,walk the hill get the truck load her up back to tilleys I go. Grab the new sprokets and belt, then I think to myself is this really all I need. Long story short I bought the 03 belt and diamond cut rear sproket(the only bling I have ever purchased). I called buell and ask what all really needed to be done hers the list both sprokets, belt, front sproket cover,new master cylinder, new belt guards, new idler pulley assembly,rear brake line and bolts for rear sproket. grand total retail $642 smackers. oh well I got 14k out of the old one with no belt guards and lots of hard riding. Thats fine by me,just a lil fyi for those of you wanting to change belts. brian tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com | ||
| Glitch |
Do you think this will ever become a "kit"? I guess ya gotta replace all that 'cause it's a wider belt... | ||
| Chaser |
It sounds like a safety issue to me. They should have a recall. Unless their is some change the belts every 5 thousand miles or so that no one follows. They did it for the blast! edited by chaser on October 09, 2003 | ||
| Court |
>>>They did it for the blast! --->>>That is inaccurate information. >>>It sounds like a safety issue to me. --->>>I'll buy that if you'll add the caveat that you have no idea (if you do, please say so) what ACTUALLY constitutes (in the eyes of the NHTSA)the engineering and legal basis for a "safety issue". NOTE: a "royal pain in the ass" does not. Court edited by court on October 09, 2003 | ||
| Spiderman |
Bubba, Why did you have to change the Master Cyl?? | ||
| Buckinfubba |
SPIDEY Because of bely clearance. it raises up higher you could maybe rig something up to change it yourself. Also I did not change it I stayed with the original belt. It is fine if handled correctly. I don't believe the belt is a saftey issue. Hell if its than they should recall every motorcycle because it is a potential saftey hazard. and every tire because it could blow,every cable cause it could break, headlights because the bulb could burn out and so on.... come on race fans it ain't all that. like I said 14k on the belt full of abuse no gaurds and more than a few gravel roads, | ||
| Buckinfubba |
somebody was thinking or hoping what ever the case maybe. but the I dler pulley on the 04's is a half inch longer than the 03's. thats why you need the new pulley. 03 number is G0604.02A8C 04 is G0604.1AA | ||
| Glitch |
Thanks for the info Brian. I'll probably stay with the original too. Seein' as how I've been the problem with the belt, and not the other way around... I don't think it's a safety issue either. When my belt broke the bike just freewheeled as it spit the belt out the back. Now, when I had a chain break or come off, THAT was scarey. They tend to wad up around sprockets. | ||
| Whatever |
Flubba, Take it easy on the Firebolt.... sweets!  | ||
| Buckinfubba |
CHAR WHATS UP GIRLIE GIRL...STONE FOX MAMA.... you should know I don't take it easy period. I am always wound up like a rubber band right next to breakin. I'll have a heart attack before I can totally break the bolt. | ||
| Misato |
is the pulley the same, just a different braket? I was told that the 03 and 04 idler had the same part number | ||
| Buckinfubba |
the bracket is different and there is not a separate part number for the bracket. So you have to purchase the whole shootin match. I think before bad web discount it is $91. thats what I found out yesterday from buell. Hell I say stay with the 03 belt and just be careful changing tires and handle it correctly. atleast thats what I did. but I am a cheap thrifty tight wad of a bastard. | ||
| Xb9 |
If Buell does not put this together as a kit, it might be a good opportunity for one of the sponsor dealers here on Badweb to put their own kit together and offer it. Retail $642 is only around $400 more than the cost of replacing the original design "03 belt and pully assembly. I'll spend the extra $400 for more reliability. Do the new style belt guard mounting screws match up with the old style mounting holes in the "03 swingarm? I've noticed those "little cracks" on both belts i've gone through - they start to appear at around 8-9K, that's why I'm changing every 10K. Broke the original with 12.5K on it. Changed the second one at 10K before it had a chance to break. | ||
| Dynarider |
It sounds like a safety issue to me. They should have a recall. Unless their is some change the belts every 5 thousand miles or so that no one follows. They did it for the blast! >>>They did it for the blast! --->>>That is inaccurate information. Actually the recall was for the rear pulley, not the belt. Had to take the wifes bike in after 2 months to have it swapped out. | ||
| Prof_stack |
The '00 Blast had to have a new rear pulley. Correct, Dyna. But the belt had to be replaced as well, due to the larger pulley. Question: was the replacement belt more durable than the original one? | ||
| Dynarider |
Hmm, I dont recall them changing the belt. But either way the recall was for the pulley due to a few had cracks developing. | ||
| Anonymous |
The only difference in the Blast belt was the length, but it was included in the recall. No problem with it. | ||
| Kaese |
Come to think of it, I never had to replace the belt on my S2, and it has 23K on it. It was to scary to attempt any wheelies. Of course it has no idler pulley. Of course we can still hope for the recall. edited by kaese on October 09, 2003 | ||
| Court |
>>>The only difference in the Blast belt was the length, but it was included in the recall. No problem with it. That, boys and girls, is ACCURATE information. | ||
| Court |
If you think you must.... 1. Front sprocket 40288-95 (27 tooth) $56.00 2. * Front Sprocket Cover G0555.1AA $37.95 * 3. Stone Deflector N/A Discard/Remove 4. * Upper Belt Guard M0570.1AA $33.25 * 5. * Lower Belt Guard M0560.1AA(DO NOT run without one) $46.60 * 6. Inner Belt guard Discard/Remove 7. Rear Sprocket G0400.1AA (65 tooth) $117.00 8. Rear Sprocket Bolts AA0609.11CXZB(six needed) $2.75 9. Belt G0500.1AAA $152.00 10. Idler Pulley Assembly (bracket and pulley) G0604.1AA (can’t buy bracket separately) $91.55 11. Rear Master Cylinder H0205.1AA (moves brake line out of way of belt) $57.80 12. Rear Brake Line H1522.1AA (w/banjo bolts and crush washers)2003 line will be short with 2004 MC $32.50 13. Swingarm Brace Bolt Short AA0507.2CZB (three required for job)need to buy one $1.70 14. Swingarm Brace Bolt Long AA0522.2CZB (one required)Delete/Discard Replace with short from above Total, plus TTL, $622.81 - less the BWB sponsors discount of 10%? $566.19 ? Notes: 1. Items with * before and after * available in Carbon Fiber from Buell for some $$.00 2. 65/27 = 2.407 drive ration same as 2003, no speedometer, or calibration change needed. | ||
| Chaser |
Court, I love your comment “I'll buy that if you'll add the caveat that you have no idea” I only wrote “Safety Issue” about the Blast belt because that is what I was told by the staff at my local authorized Buell dealership. The recall was being done on my friend’s Blast. At the same time I was picking up my first bike a Buell Blast. That is why I was curious and asked (Is my new bike affected? Answer No What is the reason for the recall? Answer For safety reasons they had to change the belt length) I guess they lied to me. BTW Court do you know where I can get real information about my second Firebolt because I guess my dealership is not in the know like you. Since I was going to ask the service department at my local authorized Buell dealership the following questions when I bring my bike in for its scheduled maintenance and Service bulletins B-051 and B-047 Saturday I’ll ask you instead. Can you tell my why they redesigned the belt for 2004? Does the belt redesign in the belt address the broken belt issue? (I’ve seen more post than just this one) How often should the belt be changed? | ||
| Court |
Chaser: Not a problem and don't let it bother you. The internet is a virual breeding ground of self-proclaimed "experts" willing to swear under oath that paints chips from dropping a bike are prima facie evidence of "inherently flawed design". The recall on the BLAST pulley was brought about as a result of a safety issue that resulted from premature and unexpected failure of the pulley. The history of how this was discovered and how it resulted is one of the more fascinating stories about the developement of the BLAST. You may not have been aware that I, with parnter Gary Valine, were members of the early (when there were several differnet models under consideration) BLAST Tet Riding Team. The RECALL PULLEY was larger and had a couple more teeth. Much like my own belts which threaten to strangle my considerable girth, the BLAST required a bit differnt belt. Now you know the truth about that. >>>because I guess my dealership is not in the know like you. That's a frequent complaint and the subject of some intense efforts at present. Locally, one of the premier dealers has just tossed the towel in on Buell and what a shame. My suggestion is that, in your quest for knowledge, you whipser "HDNet" under your breath. There lies the repository of more Buell info that you can imainge and a wealth of "lessons learned" no the how to and why's of Buell care and feeding. >>>Can you tell my why they redesigned the belt for 2004? --->>>In a nutshell, for the same reason Ford beefed up the drivetrain of the new F-150, to handle more power, now and in the future. >>>Does the belt redesign in the belt address the broken belt issue? ---->>>No. The 11mm Gates Belt remains perfectly satisfactory for it's intended purpose. The Goodyear Hibrex w/Flexten Plus belt appears on the XB12's for the above stateed reasons. Manufacturing considerations dictate, inventory and the ability to reduce probability of confusing two belts to 0%, dicate it go on the XB9's. >>>How often should the belt be changed? I'd be remiss if I said anything OTEHR than READ and FOLLOW your Buell Owners Manual. Buell has received acclaim for the quality and detail of their manuals. Read it, use it. Oh yeah...that reminds me, I've had a spare belt laying around for my 1995 Buell for a couple years and should probably put it on someday. Frickin' bike has been abused in 44 states and the belts never been touched. Over designed? Perhaps. Now go ride the Buell and enjoy it. Screw these folks who espouse "tinkering and fiddling"...I love riding! Court Personal opinion based on sheer guess, conjecture and clarvoyance. | ||
| Dblhaulxb9s |
Court Couldn't agree more with you about just riding. I am not one to sit around, I have been riding my dirt bike and bycicles like crazy since Maggie (my xb9s) threw her most rescent shoe. Maybe it is the best thing to happen, I was getting out of shape. I just hope that with this most rescent belt change I can keep her on the road. I think I will be doing all of the maintenace from now on to avoid any dealer error. Unfortunately I have a hard time trusting any one other than me to work on the bike. It is probably irrational but Oh well. I will be getting the 04 set up when I do break the next belt (hopefully about 15k from now) because I am unusually hard on things. It drives my wife crazy, I have to buy the biggest beefiest stuff I can. I also think that the manuals are great. I have the XB9S one and it is wonderful. If you don't have one, buy one. To all, get out and ride, these bikes are increadible and fun, and if you live in the moutains, winter is coming soon. Morgan | ||
| Court |
Morgan: You saw that I posed all the parts required for the conversion here? | ||
| Daves |
Damn, I was wrong again, I looked up the part number for the idler pulley only and they are the same. As has been pointed out by Bubba and Court, you need to get the whole assy. Sorry for the mistake. Ride to the edge! Maybe that's why they won't let me in the parts dept much! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) edited by Daves on October 10, 2003 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
we'll forgive ya....now brush that hair out of your eyes ya hippie |
