| Author | Message | ||
     Iamarchangel |
Thanks for the info on the ducting. I didn't intend to distract from the thread. I was curious and would have gone to another thread if there was one. You encouraged me to do a bit of reading and I found this: RAM AIR: What's It Worth? http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_9508_ram/index. html Pretty good tech article. There was a comment in it that related to this thread. It mentioned that the ZX-9R, their subject bike, would indicate 181 mph on the speedo but the reality was that it was going "only" 167. Now, buddy here is gauging his speed off another bike's speedo assuming that speedo is more accurate than his. Too many assumptions here. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Exactly why we asked for solid proof. Outrageous claims call for outrageous evidence. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
it would possibly take a week to repair the motor i guess but i have not ordered any parts...im guessing i have to go to harley dealer for oil lines? I have a place to go where they custom make braided lines which is what i think im going to do.im also adding another oil cooler to the bike. i never checked if i do have the better oil pump gear but i will probably order it anyway. I honestly have not even touched my bike since than because my house has been first. i just moved into it with my brother and we are dropping almost all our money into the house hoping to turn it around and make a good buck off it. I will be working on it this weekend though because i will have a small amount of free time. We also just got out shop yesterday! its a 6 car garage with one huge bay door. been waiting all my life to have somewhere spacious and easy to work and move things around in. | ||
| Glitch |
I didn't intend to distract from the thread.  im also adding another oil cooler to the bike. Why, is your oil overheating? | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
no no problems on oil over heating...but as you know you lose power the warmer the bike gets...so why not add another oil cooler just for the good of the motor? | ||
| Glitch |
While the bike is oil cooled, the swingarm already acts as a big heat sink. If you add another oil cooler you could actually be doing harm. You have to let the oil get up to temperature to allow water to evaporate off the oil reserve. These bikes use very little oil, it is possible to cool the oil off too much. But, if that's what you want to do, by all means... | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
hmm sounds like you might have something...i never did have a problem with overheating so mayb i should just leave it be. or just leave the extra room to mount a seperate cooler for when i turbo the bike. thanks for the info. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
also...with the intake..it seems to not get enough push so would modifying the intake to more of a ram air as archangel was staying would be a good idea? i mean diablo did post that picture of the xb with the ram air off the front fairing...looks pretty cool!!but would seem to be something i would only do to a race bike...but i also really like that idea. im thinking of doing something of that sort but mayb from a different section of the bike..need to look at the bike take a picture and just sketch up something that would look good | ||
| Ducxl |
Is your bike intended to run on the street? | ||
| Spatten1 |
Brian, Normally ram air setups have a reference pressure for the carb, or have a MAP sensor for the FI. The ••••••• DDFI 2 system has no way of knowing when MAP changes, how do you get the bike to compensate with additional fuel in the correct proportion to the denser air? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Well, it looks like your attitude is improving so i'll chip in a bit. Don't bother with ram air on the street. It really is not worth it for the very little time spent at speeds where it will make any difference at all (as stated in my previous post) There is an up-sized oil cooler available that is designed to work with ducting that mates up with the full fairing. Since our sponsors do not carry the sebimoto bodywork I'll post a link: http://www.yoyodyneti.com/Category.aspx?CategoryID =2702 also racingmotorcycles.com when they get their site on line again. My bike wears the sharkskinz fairing from Halspa.com (a sponsor) and the race bike wears the sebimoto. The sebimoto is not available in a street version with provisions for headlights. If you have never mounted a race fairing I recommend having someone that has help you install the fairing. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Article in my previous post supports Ram Air only helps at about 150mph. The increases before that are not significant. Nice to see everybody starting to get along, isn't it. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
thanks...i mean i have always liked the look of the no front fairing on the bike but i can tell its greatly restricting the aero. i like the look of the racing fairing and i could always modify to work with the lights on my own. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
and the sebimoto is that the fairing on the picture that you posted of the black race bike? | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
aha i see that for the front fairing you have to buy it as a two piece product i love places that do that! not bad price though i have always wanted a full fairing kit for it but could never find one that looks good untill now | ||
| Diablobrian |
We were using the Kimball tuning software (the real race ecm software, dos based) and the map was built with ram air in mind. This set-up was done specifically for Daytona, but it's nothing new on racing Buells. Bilanski, Estok, Bemisderfer, etc. run ram air on their bikes too. We have it covered  | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
i would love to get into racing but i really dont have the money to be doing that at the moment. thanks for all the info. | ||
| Diablobrian |
warning though, you can not run the upper fairing without the lower. It will flap in the wind and come apart! It has happened, although not to me because I learned from their mistake! Be very careful doing your own lights also. It invites hassles from the police. Make sure that they are DOT legal or you can end up with your bike impounded. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
ha some people these days...i wouldnt put it on without the lowerr section cause it would not look complete...im going to use the headlight i have on the bike already | ||
| No_rice |
also, i think the main point has been missed. if you REALLY are planning on doing the turbo set up, ram air to the air box will not work. the intake will need to be completely sealed so that the turbo can pressurize it and shove the air right into the throttle body as im sure you know. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
i know that i have to seal the box up extremely well with a turbo...im honestly stuck on what i want to do with it. turbo is going to be ultra complicated and idk if i want to be off the bike that long i will let you know | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
but i want to reach my goal and show everyone that it can be done! so im going to take my time and do it right | ||
| Josh_ |
Let us know when you do since the fastest 1350cc-and-under Buell on record at Bonneville is the Team Elves '04 record in MPS-PBF at 169.692 MPH | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
look through all the threads...the fastest buell stated was 202.... | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
im mistaken you are right i did not notice you said under 1350 | ||
| P_squared |
Josh is talking about a specific class. The 202 mph is from a Buell in a different class. e.g. MORE than 1350cc displacement. The reason (guessing) Josh brough it up is that the record for a 1350cc or less engined Buell is 169.692 mph would be inline with your current admitted configuration of a 1200 kit on your bike. | ||
| Ridrnkink18 |
yea yea yea well everyone can think as they wish!! i have nothing more to say untill i complete the bike | ||
| P_squared |
Bryan, I wasn't intending to offend, only clarify. If you can build your bike to reach 200+ with your current 1200cc config, I believe everyone here would be VERY interested in the details. Not tryin to put you down/dash yer hopes/rain on yer parade. Only tryin to keep things in an "apples to apples" comparison based upon the work many folks who have posted in this thread have done & hold proof of accomplishment for. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Actually, I've learned a lot from this thread, for example, speed sensors, speedo accuracy, air ram, rpm limiters and about some of the people on this forum. | ||
| Darthane |
i have nothing more to say untill i complete the bike Heh...somehow I doubt that.  |
