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Mikej
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 01:50 pm: | 
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A Patent does two things:
1. It provides for a legal basis to defend to.
2. It gives competitors intel.
Sometimes it's best to hit the ground naked and running knowing that by the time the enemy reacts you will hopefully be well out of range and onto the next design. By the time they reverse and diagonally engineer what you did you will be releasing the next development. But you also have to have paved the way with protections sufficient to cover your future design developments to avoid someone else over-Patenting your past works and causing some inhibitions in your said future works and releases.
'tis a fine and narrow line to walk at times. |
Boulderbiker
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 02:29 pm: |
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Hey Dyna, got a question for ya bout the test mule you saw that started this monster of a thread. So the drive on the V-rod engine is on the opposite side to that of the buell. Did they relocate the oil and cut a pass through on the swingarm in order to work out the drive train? Just a basic curiosity question. Of course this is all assuming you got that close of a look. How close of a look did you get anyway, and if it was in passing, what tipped you off? |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 03:18 pm: |
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Did they relocate the oil and cut a pass through on the swingarm in order to work out the drive train?
Upside down Swingarm!
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Turnagain
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 09:01 pm: |
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rev. 3
tensioner on the other side & oil on this side.
if I could figure out how to do an under-seat exhaust like the Britten V1000, I'd give it a try.
hey, if you're gonna cook your rump, might as well roast it good. 
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José_quiñones
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 09:17 pm: |
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here you go Steve
For the Front suspension try this one
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José_quiñones
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 09:27 pm: |
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quote:if I could figure out how to do an under-seat exhaust like the Britten V1000, I'd give it a try.
here's how Fischer did it:
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Whodom
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 09:28 pm: |
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Steve,
Any idea if you're close to scale now? All you really need is a measurement across the widest point of the cylinders on the V-Rod engine, and then you could compare that to the wheel diameter or some other handy known dimension to get it to scale. That'll give a good idea if it'll actually fit, at least in profile.
Of course, the V-Rod heads are probably a lot wider (side-to-side) than the Buell heads, and therefore they may not squeeze up in the frame openings. That may be the real problem about adapting this engine to an XB chassis.
At any rate, you did a great job so far.
Hugh |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 09:43 pm: |
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The Britten
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Two_buells
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 11:04 pm: |
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I can't wait to get my "12"
TwoBuells X2 |
Tropicana69
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 07:24 am: |
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I just wish they were for a shorter inseam....<sigh>
Short people got no reason to LIVE!! |
Tropicana69
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 07:27 am: |
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Why should I be relegated to buying a Sportster or a Blast??
XB9 ....short version....still on tip toes!! Aaaaaarrrrgghhhhh!! |
Kaudette
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:24 am: |
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If they are using an "upside-down swing-arm" - or whatever that is supposed to be - then my bet is you are talking about a linkage system which would definitely lengthen the wheelbase of the machine vs. todays linkless read end. That with a more conservative head angle would not help the handling one bit - especially with another 50 lbs... sounds like a VTR - I'll stick with the 12S. |
Turnagain
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 01:08 pm: |
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José, send that 1st Fig. 1 pic back to the 1950's.  Thanks for the rest of them too.
Hugh, still not to scale, but I think it's getting closer. I tried tilting it forward then pushing it back, but it didn't look right.
found a nice old 'pull' spring I can use and put it back where it belongs.
nice site for pics.
HEY! Mike, what? you pulling the party line too?  Yes, we know it 'ain't gonna happen', but I can always conceptualize. plus, it keeps me from veggin' in front of the tele. Are you going to get a 12S for the coming season? (would think it'd be better for you to hustle around the battlefield)
Tropicana69, use front brake, shift butt right, come to stop & plant right foot -- works well.
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Tropicana69
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 02:18 pm: |
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Thanks, Tunagain,
I will give that a try...and see how it works. I don't like being
off balance. I wish cycle companies took that into consideration.
Then you have the 6'4 people complaining. Heck, even the Honda
750 was a problem because the danged engine was too wide and I had
to tippie toe!! Moto Guzzi I can flat foot...but that was after suspension adjustment.
I think cycles should come with seat adjustment or shock adjustment levels. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 02:30 pm: |
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How about this?
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Turnagain
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 02:52 pm: |
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José's dream machine & one way to get a knee down.
wonder about an elbow too?
Tropicana69, After I changed to the wider '99 style seat I could only flat-foot with one pair of construction type boots. Since I don't use them that often, the above description is how I normally come to a halt.
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Leeaw
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 04:15 pm: |
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Has nothing to do with this topic but I was watching Ivent This and the inventor of the monocycle had none other than an S1 White Lightning in his garage.
Good taste! |
Turnagain
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:56 pm: |
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rev. 4 - the final cut. I've decided to invest my family fortune to build it.
unfortunately, I've got no family fortune.
OK, I'll stop waistin' the bandwidth now...
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Blublak
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 09:55 am: |
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Yo Turn...
I can see on problem with your latest design. With the Exhaust in FRONT of (ok, below) the radiator, your forcing HOT air into the box from that side and may lead to a cooling problem.  (I know you have vents at the sides, but for flow through you'd need the undertray to be porous to allow air out.. and therefore in) Heat rising would come through the under pan area and add more heat to the radiator and coolant, right? So you'd need a bigger radiator & fan and of course, a bigger bike to mount it on.. allowing you to have a bigger radiator and multiple fans.. So you would need to build a bigger frame.. uh, Ok, this is getting way too circular..
Just some off the cuff engineering.. (no I'm not one, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once)
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Turnagain
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 01:13 pm: |
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Blue,
Now which way do you believe the air is flowing? In my screwed-up mind the fan is pushing cool air through the rad and towards the tire. Which I might add, doubles as a hand drier / warmer for those Winter month rides. Guess it could be flipped over so that the fan pulls.
How about four P/C sized fans with two flexible ducting tubes to the side vents and two that go forward to the steering head?
Actually, the rear exhaust tube does need to extend to the tip of the tail to avoid problems with melting the brake light & license plate (if it is to be centered). But not like the Duc..
If I was to go any further with this, I'd mount a decent fairing (the size of an S2/3), along with some nice hard bags. But what's the point?
Court did once scribe:
quote:I can show you books stamped CONFIDENTIAL that were fabulous ideas who never reached the intersection where consumer demand and perceived need intersect with commercial viability. Buell first DREAMS of things, then evaluates those dreams based on what they can SELL. Buell, in the global sense, is ultimately a SELLING firm.
Though, I for one believe those lines do intersect -- unfortunately,  .
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Tropicana69
| | Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 04:21 pm: |
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Tanks for da tips and da pic of a cycle that is about as
short as my inseam...Glitch.
Seems to me my arms would have to grow with that cycle
Glitch. I tink I will try the XB9S with the seat for short people
Since they are making them for short people now do you think maybe
they could drop the price a little? I..Know....what do ya want the world?
Oh well, don't get if you don't ask....
Tropicana69
Norton goes on sale on the internet October 20th, 2003.
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