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Zoedogg1
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 02:33 am: | 
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About a month ago a topic came up in regard to tire balancing with a product called Dyna Beads. I know that some people have purchased them, but there has not been any feedback on how well they work or if they do...etc.
I would really like to believe they work as stated. In fact I myself have some on the way to put in some Rosso's I also ordered. I would love to hear some results before I use them. |
Corporatemonkey
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 04:31 am: |
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Was it really a month ago?
Geez, sometimes I feel like I am in a time vortex. That or I have the early stages of Alzheimers.
I am curious as well to how it worked out. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 09:09 am: |
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Dyna Beads?
(Message edited by Cataract2 on April 20, 2008) |
Ustorque
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 09:16 am: |
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i think i saw a video with those beads not too long ago...ah never mind different beads!
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Jos51700
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 09:21 am: |
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"never mind different beads"
Nice.....
I don't see how they could work, but some people swear by them. I'd think lead shot could do the same. |
Badlionsfan
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 11:36 am: |
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www dot innovativebalancing dot com
btw this isn't a new idea, been used in big trucks for years.
(Message edited by blake on April 20, 2008) |
Strmvt
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 12:02 pm: |
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I think it was me that brought the Dyna Beads up. I have them in my tires and have had no issues. The 12R rides like it's on glass tho front tire had started to cup is why I finally bit the bullet and got them. The tire is no longer cupping and the buzz in the bars at hwy speeds is minimal at best, I think between the beads and having the Traction hand grips helped on the handle bar buzz. It definitely rides alot smoother. The only issue you will have is when you go to change your tires. especially the rear tire. When the tech takes off the rear tire the beads will want to come pouring out when he goes to pull the lower beads from the wheel, if he goes slow and you kind of hold your hand on the tire bead to "hold" the beads in as he bumps the pedal to rotate the tire you will be OK. Front tire they will stay in when it's removed. We didn't try to install the front with the beads still in though it looked like that it would have worked. What I did was laid down some newspaper in a square bigger then the circumference of the tire and laid the tire down on the paper and reached in and scooped out the beads onto the paper. When the beads were out moved the tire picked up the paper and folded it to make a "funnel" and poured the beads into a little baggie. I did so with both tires. I lost some beads yes but I didn't lose as much as I thought I would. I didn't have the applicator with me to re-install the beads so... today I will make a "installment guide" w/pics and put it up for those interested.
Ok it's up in the Knowledge Vault under the Tires thread here is the link. Hope it helps any interested.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/354523.html?1208716726
(Message edited by strmvt on April 20, 2008) |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 06:27 pm: |
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Pure snake oil. Please don't advertise that crap on BadWeB any more. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 06:32 pm: |
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"Not a new idea, been used in trucking. "
Lots of phony/fraudulent products have been around and been "used" for a long time; they endure as long as folks are willing to believe in them. |
Teeps
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 06:36 pm: |
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We loves our placebos... |
Bombardier
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 08:10 pm: |
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Blake,
Have you tried the product? |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 08:19 pm: |
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Why would I support something that I recognize as an obvious scam and can prove it to be so?
Why would I ever give credence to any product whose promoter employs multiple blatant bald-faced lies to try to get my money?
If this concept were at all valid, there would be no such thing today as wheel weights. Eveyone would be using the bogus beads and the scam artists who contrived the whole fraud would be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. They aren't, but they probably get a fair amount from people who want so badly to believe in stuff that is too good to be true.
I fell for one such product scam once myself, the Slick50 scam. Never again. If it sounds to good to be true, it virtually alwasy is.
(Message edited by blake on April 20, 2008) |
Brianb
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 08:47 pm: |
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Blake, why do they run liquid filled dampners on V8s? Same concept. |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 08:29 am: |
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It might not be quite the same concept. Dampeners do not allow the free mass to locate itself with centrifugal force.
Those rely on viscosity of the damping fluid or the bonding of two metal masses with a flexible material to slow or time the movement and counterforces. The timing or lag in the forces that cancels or reduces the imbalance.
Think about the mechanical vibration dampers that have been put on motorcycles over the years. Most of them were chain driven and work by apply an opposing force that is timed to the force they are trying to cancel.
That is quite a bit different than putting an ounce or two of loose ceramic beads inside a tire and letting them find the low spot or where they want to be just from inertia.
I'm not an expert or engineer, and sometimes happiness is all that counts. But I don't think I see anything I need with those.
Jack |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 01:28 pm: |
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What Jack said. A vibration damper is entirely different from a balancer.
An out of balance wheel that is damped to prevent vibration remains an out of balance wheel.
Who would want the forces required to damp wheel vibration being applied to the tire carcas?
And when do you most need a balanced front wheel? Maybe when in a panic/emergency stop situation from high speed? Well what happens to the goofy idea that little beads flying randomly around inside your tire are going to be able to maintain any balance as the wheel rapidly decelerates and the beads continue flying around inside the tire?
A dubious product peddled via blatant lies? Blake no like.
What else do you need to know? The things are being sold based upon blatant lies, fancy sounding techno-mumbo-jumbo that is 100% demonstrably and provably false. The whole idea is ludicrous. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 01:40 pm: |
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Brian,
Please point me to the liquid damper you are talking about. I cannot find anything via google.
I've seen probably the same thing that you are refering to being peddled for Harley-Davidson/Buell engines. A mercury laden reservoir attached to the crankshaft right? You can provide improved balance by attaching more mass to any crankshaft. Big flywheels produce a smoother running engine, meaning reduced vibrations.
However, I will concede that in addition to its added mass effect, a significant mass of enclosed murcury combined with some air-space for sloshing could provide additional damping effect.
If such novel schemes are not being employed by the manufacturers, the most likely explanation is that they fall short of providing any significant benefit over conventional solutions, and/or that they may introduce other significant problems.
My view is that putting anything besides air inside your tires is a very bad idea in the long term. Use fix a flat to get you home? Okay. Anything else is asking for big trouble in my view.
(Message edited by blake on April 21, 2008) |
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