| Author | Message | ||
     Stot |
Hi, Ive just got my paws on a near new XB9R with 450miles on it and factory race kit fitted. It rides fantastic when it works, wheeleeeing 1-2nd shift which scares the crap outa ya, but Ive found that when I get hot in traffic or low rev Riding that my engine starts to cough and splutter and wants to die. then it wont idle OR Rev but cough and choke and and and... This has been apparent today with the new found 'Sun' in London(UK). Ive read the boards and figured I have to do three things first. -Check the BAS, could be crapping out as it gets too hot. -Have the TPS zeroed. -Try some new Fuses/Circuit Breakers in the ignition circuits. Ive put the bike into Diag mode but no error codes are displayed even when the problem is occurring. Ive also done a 20mile round trip at a constant 3500rpm to reset the AFV but it still didnt help. So now I want to check the BAS to identifiy or discount it as the problem before I take her to the dealer to pay them the hour minimum charge to plug in their whasamajig and reset the TPS and anything else they want to do, but where is the BAS located on the Firebolt? Ill take it apart to find it if I have to but a point in the right direction would be a bonus. On the same vein, anybody know a dealer in the London/South East UK area that might reset my TPS for a drink rather than £59 one hour minimum bleahhhh?. Cheers Stot | ||
| Stot |
Hi, I found my BAS if front of the ECM and disconnected it So ill see if theres any change. One thing I did Notice was that the ECM has two blue/white stickers on it but no 'RACE USE ONLY' Stamped on it anywhere. Is this a standard ECM? Do all race ECMs have Race Use Only stamped on them? It was advertised 'K + N Filters, Race exhaust, Remapped ECU' 1 and 2 are right But Im now unsure about 3. Cheers anyways Stot | ||
| Noface |
Stot, From what you describe, it sounds like the TPS needs reset. My 9R acted like that until the dealer figured out how to get it set up (I still think mine's a little off, as it's choppy just off idle). The race ECM I have doesn't look any different than the stock one. It didn't have any label or stamp on it stating "Race Only" or "Race ECM". It does have the correct part number though -P/N 32814-02YA. Check out the ECM and ensure that the part number is correct. Since you likely have an International bike being in the UK, I assume that this BAS thing your talking about is something that's on the International bikes that's not on the ones Stateside (I don't know what BAS is). I've read about cutting a white wire on the International bikes that "gets more performance". Maybe this disables the BAS? Check the part number to make sure it's right, do some homework on cutting the white wire, do a search here on BadWeb as there was some talk here about it, and finally, take it back to the dealer to have them check out the TPS if that doesn't get it right. That's what I'd do. Cheers! and have a great week! Jody S. | ||
| Chainsaw |
BAS: Bank Angle Sensor, the dohickie that kills the motor if the bike is "exceeding the predetermined bank angle limit" With the fairing off the bike, looking from the front to back, it is a small rectangular box just above the 2 headlights, with wires exiting to the right. I doubt this is your problem. I know you can test a BAS on my Sportster with a magnet. If you put a magnet on the Sporty's BAS with the engine running, it should shut off immediatley. Maybe the same on the Buell? My best guess would be getting the TPS re-zeroed. Good luck! | ||
| Chainsaw |
tps instructions from the manual, in case the UK dealer isn't familiar with the procedure: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/15248.html#POST123411 | ||
| Stot |
Thanks for the Replies guys. First thing I thought of was TPS reset but my closest Buell dealer isnt where the bike was from, that dealer is 300 miles away, and would charge almost $80 (minimum 1 hour labour) to reset it  ! Anyway I eliminated the BAS and circuit breakers as problems and now I gotta find a cheaper dealer willing to do 10 mins work for 10 mins pay. Thanks for the procedure Chainsaw Ill print it out and take it with wherever I go. Cheers Stot | ||
| Stot |
Hi, Well I checked the ECM and the numbers on the stickers are N0326.02A8 02211 and BX9EC20CB060 so im none the wiser. Anyway Cheers Stot | ||
| Bud |
stot, looks like you have a normal ecm not a race one part # normal ecm = N0326.02A8 (eng,eur,jpn) further more, you should not have to pay fore a Tps. my bike run's bad at this moment, (looks like the same problem, only in very hot weather ) and been to several dealers in 2 country's to have a look if there was any clue or a error code, never had to pay a dime ! gr,b | ||
| Stot |
Thanks Bud, At least I know now. Ill sit on this ECM till a) I learn how to better thrash this bolt, b) It runs longer than 10 mins! and C)something a bit more configurable comes about. On the TPS front I guess ill just have to find a dealer willing. I guess they dont call em Main 'Stealers' over here for nuthin.. Cheers Stot | ||
| Italiansqueeze |
Stot, I experienced the same symptoms. And it was my BAS. Had it replaced and the bike runs great. | ||
| Bud |
stot,michael, When the problem accord, did the check engine light came one ?? As I said, I am having similar problems ( at least I think so ) When hot ( I mean really hot ), my bike will hold back very strongly as I ease off the throttle a bit, idle = ok & when I go back on the throttle every thing is ok. 2 weeks a go, ( my dealer did not have the time ) I had a look at my bike, with my trusty fluke, looks to me there was a sensor bad, so I measured all the basic sensors ( after checking all the basic stuff off course like spark plugs, static Timing, clearance on the throttle cables ) iats was ok, O2 sensor was happily dancing around 0.5 volt ,TPS no spikes in the voltage, ET sensor was measuring a open circuit ?? that was not ok ! looked at the ground on the engine , ground = ok. When checking all the ground points, found out that the 2 ground leads to the front ground point screw off the frame was a bit loose. Ok, faulty ETS , problem solved , at least I thought so … Ets replaced, have a go on it, and it occurs the problem was gone, And it was gone, for a 100 miles ( not driven the bike in the extreme ambient temperature ) Back on the road to Belgium ( 95-105F or 35-40°C ) , bugger the problem came back, not as bad as the fist time , but still it came back. On my way back I stopped by a dealer to have a quick look with there digi tech, The told me the bike was running way to rich, AF was 121%, they reset the tps & the AF. further more, the told me that I should put the airbox cover back on ( made some home made plate to hold the airfilter ), as a coos off the problem? Back in holland, the problem came back ( still very hot here ) had an other dealer reset the tps. Same value & same story…. Smart ass as I am, I was telling theme that I was riding 4k miles with this setup, and never had any problems even gained a few pony’s. Still they said this was to blame, “it’s a very delicate system, you know “ Yeah right, not believing theme, because the Fi is self learning, and strayed out off the box the race-ecm was on AF value 138%, so I think it is able to make the change. But, not being a thick head. I placed the Oem airbox cover back and I’m taking here for a spin. I really hate leaving my bike at the dealers, tomorrow going back on the road to Germany for a day or 4. I hope you can give me some more details on your problem, Then I know to ask for # S0131.02A8 ( back angle sensor ) in germany or not. Thankx, gr, M | ||
| Stot |
Hi Bud, When it starts running funny theres no light comes on and it doesnt put out an error code at all. My problem isnt the BAS. I disconnected it and took the bike for a towny ride, same thing happened so I plugged it back in. I Changed out all my fuses, same thing happened. Ive swapped all my Relays around now and on my ride to work at least its OK however that is freeway speeds all the way so Im not holding out hopes. Well see on my homeward bound journey which is more towny. Ive now contacted another dealer and he told me that they would honor the warranty on the bike even with the race can on there and me being second owner so Im more pleased about that. Cant get it in for nearly 2 weeks though.  Ill let you know how my relay swap went once im home. Cheers Stot | ||
| Stot |
Hi, Got home, Just.. No difference, looks like Ill be taking the fast straight roads home instead of the long girlie fest route I Usually take for the next couple a weeks.  The problem feels like theres pulsing from the TPS about 2.5 pulses a second, If I hold the throttle at a certain point the bike revs and dives, revs and dives, It get worse if I rev out of it then back down to normal 3-4000, the pulse width is more so it revs harder and dives harder until it eventually dies. Is there an easily accessible point that I can connect a volt meter to when its doing this to measure the TPS voltage? Cheers Stot | ||
| Rkc00 |
I also did noticed that the ECM has no 'RACE USE ONLY' Stamped on it anywhere. Is this a standard ECM? Do all race ECMs have Race Use Only stamped on them? I just picked up my 2003 XB9S today with the race kit installed. My ecm does not have Race Use Only stamped on it. The dealer says it is definitely part of the race kit. The bike was running fine when I test road it. I had them get a race ecm from the parts department to see if it was the same part # as in the bike. My part # is 32001-02 02917. The part # of the race ecm from the parts department had Race Use Only stamped on it with the part # 32001-02 xxxxx.The last 5 digits were not the same. I had them install the parts departments ecm into the bike. The bike would not idle at all. Took it for a ride and it ran horrible. The tech tried to hook up the scanalizer but it would not read anything. He reinstalled the original ecm and the bike seems to run fine. The filter is the K&N filter. Can anybody enlighten me why this might be and is my part # the stock ecm? Thanks for any help. Michael FLHRCI_00 XB9S_03 Long Island, NY | ||
| Glitch |
If I'm not mistaken, some of the race ECMs were bad. But, that shouldn't be a problem, as the non-race ECM works just fine with the race muffler and air filter. I have a friend that has the race kit minus the ECM, and he's very happy. When we ride together, I don't seem to be any faster than him... | ||
| Rkc00 |
Thanks for the reply. The only problem I have is if it is not the race ecm than I spent $210 for nothing. | ||
| Glitch |
I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I was only saying that you don't have to have the race ECM for the bike to perform. Just take it back, show them the difference in the part numbers, and ask for the correct part or your $210, which ever suits you best... I do hope all turns out well, it's a great bike, I love mine | ||
| Rkc00 |
Glitch Your answer was very clear. I Really thank you for your reply. I am not being sarcastic. Would you know if the part # I listed above is the correct #. only the last 5 digits were not the same as the race ecm from the parts dept. The service manager said that the first 7 digits were the only #'s that mattered and the last 5 digits that were not the same did not matter. If you can enlighten me on the part #'s I would appreciate it. Michael FLHRCI_00 XB9S_03 Long Island, NY | ||
| Glitch |
I may have the part number at home. I'm at work right now. I'll let you know either way after I get home. Maybe it won't rain on the way home... | ||
| Rkc00 |
Its raining here already. I will be getting wet on the way home. Michael FLHRCI_00 XB9S_03 Long Island, NY | ||
| Darthane |
Pouring here now...maybe it will stop, maybe it won't. This is why I'm thankful that my tank bag is just big enough to fit everything I need for work... ...and my rain gear. | ||
| Glitch |
Seems as though this year ya gotta carry yer rain gear...got mine, may not need it...but then again...  I'm in Atlanta headed north to home... so's the rain... | ||
| Glitch |
Hey, well wuddayano, I'm dry! Rkc00: I didn't realize you meant the number on the part itself. So, since it's not so easy to get to, it'll take me a little more time. I'll get it tonight after my evening ride. But I'm pretty sure if it doesn't say "FOR RACE USE ONLY" it's the standard ECM. | ||
| Glitch |
I got home last night way too late. Just ask Ann she'll tell ya.  Or, maybe we should just leave her out of it since she seemed to be over it this morning. I was right about the lettering though. By law they have to have the FOR RACE USE ONLY stamped on them. So more than likely ya gotta go back and raise some #3!!. |
