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     Rsh |
The new XB's are on the Buell site http://www.buell.com/en_us/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Misato |
I need that motor in my 9s | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Gonen60 |
Misato, what do you think our trade in value would be for our 03s??? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.mr?kbb.WI;416105;WI089&53092;rc;t&29&2003;Buell;XB9R%20Firebolt;41984;16065&
YMMV | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Misato |
i think its this:  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
I just was wondering... Ya reckon they've been test this bike on the street right under our noses? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Prof_stack |
Glitch, good point. Probably HAVE been riding it without the usual snoops detecting it.  Misato Tim, funny post! Don't worry about trade-in, you're having too much fun on your 9S, and Nallin will take care of you if you have too much extra money laying around. ![:]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Misato |
yeah, I wouldn't trade it, I've spent to much time sanding and polishing it.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
Will the new Oversized "1.75 headers" do me any good? I see this as a good thing a very good thing. Some of the sporties around here were asking me all about mine and how I like it, this has got more people than just us talking... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Kahuna |
what a piss off! i wonder if you need to bore the cases to get those bigger cylinders on the 9S? anyone know? pretty sure the heads are the same? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
Your stock bore is 3-1/2". You can take it as big as 3-9/16" without boring the cases. Beyond that, you have to bore the cases. The XB12 is the same 3-1/2" bore stock and 3-9/16" bore maximum without boring the cases. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Kahuna, As Aaron intimated, the XB12s have the identical bore as the XB9's and the Blast, the XB12's have a longer stroke, same as the tube framers. The cylinders are likely the same exact part for all five current model Buells. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Xb9 |
Lets see.....If you took an XB12 long stroke engine and modified it with the 3 9/16" bore cylinders......Is that a sick thought or what??  Kinda makes you grin thinking about it! Aaron, is this going to be an offering?? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Tripper |
I love this picture. Let's see, carbon fiber heel gaurds, remove passenger pegs, race muffler, black anodize the forks. Perfection is so near.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Xb9 |
Even better yet, the Nallin 3 13/16" big bore kit! What would be the displacement, Est. HP/Torque numbers on that baby? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
Both kits have been announced! 3-9/16 bore = 1250cc 3-13/16 bore = 1426cc (hang on!) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jim_witt |
Image looks like it's in Arizona too! -JW:>  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 9rocket9 |
the 12 looks great,glad to see its a S and not an R | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Kahuna |
aaron/blake, excuse my ignorance, but are we saying that by simply changing your rods (hence getting a longer stroke) you get an XB12 out of the XB9? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
Kahuna, Crank and rods, otherwise you'll be bumping the head - once. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
What Mike said ... I can almost guarantee you that you'll be able to fit an XB12 crank/rod assembly to an XB9 motor and take it up to 1200cc. You'll need to move to a flat top piston at the same time, because increasing displacement will increase compression (too much) if you use the same dome and chamber. You'd still need the bigger throttle body and exhaust to make it equivalent to the XB12's motor. You could also fit the 3-9/16 bore cylinders and pistons at the same time and take it to a 1250. But if I were in there doing that much work, I'd take it to a 3-13/16 bore, which is an 88 incher. Then you'd really have a monster. You can do the 3-9/16 bore without doing the crank (without even opening up the crankcase for that matter) and make a 1050. Likewise you can do the 3-13/16 bore without doing the crank, it's just a different path to a 1200. Makes for an oversquare, revvier motor. We have the appropriate cylinders & pistons to do any of these configurations. edited by aaron on July 15, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
Aaron, With what the other guy said on one of the other threads, there is a little bit more going on than "just" the crank and rods, but not much. And reading a bit further on yet another thread there is additional stuff in the ratios and tranny going on. I'm seeing a whole world of custom configurations about to happen, Chevy smallblock stuff. I just hope/wish the newest engine has returned the trapdoor cassette tranny, but if not then there is probably a reason for it, and I know a trapdoor can be added if desired since the/some racebikes have had the change made. You and others are going to be busy and having fun.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dbird29 |
Aaron, Would you use the XB12 Race ECM with the 3-13/16 bore, 49mm intake & XB12 exhaust? This sounds like a fun winter project. Thanks, DBird | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
Sounds like there's a possibility they dialed back the rev limit for the XB12. If true, there could be an advantage to keeping the XB9 ECM and augmenting it with a PC3 on a hot-rod project. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
This is cool stuff! Exactly why I'm so excited about the new bikes, and not bummed about having an XB9. Do ya think the 49mm intake and new style headers on an XB9 would be worth the effort? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
Probably not, unless you make the motor bigger. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Peyote |
mikej, for a used xb9r from dealer it's $8635 http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.mr?kbb.OK;845171;OK109&73122;rc;r&154&2003;Buell;XB9R%20Firebolt;41984;18470& | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Misato |
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| Englishman119 |
Personally, I’m a little disappointed that the XB12 motor is only claiming about 10 or so HP and ft.lbs more than the XB9. Its not enough to make me jealous, regretful or PO’d that I placed my money on the XB9 and have been playing with it for a year. Now 90-100 HP at the back wheel would have made me sit up. However, the styling changes are top notch making a great looking bike look even better. Is it my eyesight, or do those mirror stalks look longer in the picture on this thread ? What does make me mad is that the black paint scheme is very close to the color scheme I was going to paint my XB9R!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Johnc |
I guess I'm just greedy but I can't wait to see the dyno chart for one of Aaron's 1426 cc big bore engines! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep |
Um. If thats the case, I can go to my local dealer, buy their XB9, trade it right back in to them, and walk out with $700 in my pocket. I'll give $6k for an XB9S (non low) in decent shape tomorrow... Don't know where I would get the money, but at that price I would find a way. Thats the "sell a used one this week and have people falling over each other to get it" price. $7995 is the "compelling new off the dealer floor price". "Fair" used price? Who knows. $2000 depreciation for a new bike model, a sport bike, a year old, with a "newer better" model available, is not that bad. Betcha any of the 600cc inline fours in that circumstance would depreciate by twice that much. And if you owned the XB for a year, thats "only" about $140 - $210 per month depreciation. If anyone wants to give me their XB9 for a month of unlimited use, I will gladly give you $200 in return... at least during the summer  I bought my used 2000 M2 with 3500 miles on it for like $5200 in Feb of 2001. It was a good deal at the time, but not a foolish one for the seller. It was an off season sale in the middle of nowhere and the seller only had a month to make sure it was gone. Everyone asking $6500 was still asking it 6 months later, my seller had cash in hand. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Usapitbullz |
Anyone know the price of the new XBs? Thanks, Joe | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
buell.com lists the MSRP. Seeing as how there are no actual sightings of bikes in dealerships the MSRP is subject to local interpretation. With four XB models now you'll have to be a little bit more specific in which model you're speaking of. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Darthane |
MSRP is $10,995. English, ditto on the paint scheme, though I'm definitely not making my wheels that hideous amber color...and yes, the mirrors are a lot bigger, and you can buy them as a kit, it's listed on Buell. I believe they go for around $50. They look to stick out at least 3" more than the '03 XB9Rs. Bryan | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Usapitbullz |
Lets see, if the bike is going for $10,995 MSRP. Here in Kansas City they should go for $12,995 at all Worths affiliated Harley Davidson shops. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
What paint? Let's call it a "color scheme". Well... there is paint on the wheels and engine, or is powder coat not considered paint. I still call it paint. Anyone tired of hearing me talk about it yet? The choices at your Buell dealership are...
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| Mikej |
I'm thinking there's going to be a bunch of peeved-off dealers having to add a free year-additional warranty to move the 03's. I'm also thinking the XB12's are going to probably be soldout and backordered and shops like HalsPA will have 9=>12 kits ready and waiting. Buy a 9, buy a bag of kitted parts at the parts counter, wheel the bike to the performance shop, and ride away in a day or five with their XB9/12. At least they don't have Harley-Davidson below the Buell name yet. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Bluzm2 |
Amen Mike, Amen. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Peyote |
reepi, my quote was from kbb site. I was just showing the dealer price listed for used xb according to Kelly Blue Book website. Doesn't matter if it's right or not. Just trying to show perspective, don't matter to me one or other on your point because this was quoted from their site, not as my opinion. Anyway, this seems to be a good (logical) move for Buell to make 12r & 12s versions of the xb models. But I definitely think they can branch out after this with a new category of bikes with liquid-cooled engines. It makes since. I was hoping it would be now, but makes more since to make the 12's first to get a better ROI from the XB development costs. So, you anti water-cool people need to chill (heh) and don't worry about it cause they'll always have air-cooled bikes. But one things for sure, some day Buell will have that bike and I'll be on the waiting list. Oh, I'm definitely getting the new mirrors for my bike. Seems like they improved on everything we had complaints about, huh? -still a proud owner of an xb9r & some day nallinized. edited by peyote on July 16, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
Any photoshop types want to apply the new black & gold color scheme to this bike & see what it looks like with the R tail?  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
...or a red R tail on this one. Would make some pretty cool lookin' bikes in addition to the new offerings.  Good work Buell! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lake_bueller |
Peyote....Kelly Blue Book is a joke when it comes to used motorcycle pricing. I bought a 98 S3T last year that had a blue book of $5500. My cost...$2500. My price included a TON of extras above and beyond. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
KBB is a starting point in the research and a general ballpark in pricing. Actual deals vary greatly. Same with E-Bay, you can do better than E-Bay if you shop locally, assuming you can find the item locally. YMMV as always. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jim_m |
here's a shot...  sorry, but the mag color on the speedo housing threw me off on that one edited by jim_m on July 16, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
Jim, Thanks. Things should get very interesting around here with all the XB parts that will soon be available. I can't wait to see what the new mag-look & polished ceramic (race kit muffler) finishes are like in person. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Captainplanet |
Anyone know if the white wheels on the 04 xb9r are painted or powdercoated? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Gonen60 |
Would the XBR tail section bolt right up to the XBS..what would you have to change? seat and what else..cost ??? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
Cap'n, They are "sky white" according to the Buell web site. Probably powder coated, not paint. That's a good observation, too. Everyone has been so concerned with the new 12's that the refinements & changes to the 9's are still largely un-noticed. Gone, Yes- the sub frame, body, & seat all will work. Electrics, rear shock res, & battery will have to be relocated. One more... XB9S with white frame & wheels, with red body work! There are alot of possiblities here... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
Since someone had asked, I thought this might be of interest....  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Johnc |
It should be interesting to see a dyno shoot-out comparing a bike equipped with the interactive exhaust system to one without it vs the aftermarket pipes. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jprovo |
Thanks Court, Great pics. James | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 9rocket9 |
Any info on if there is going to be an xb12 low? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
There is no XB12 Low for 2004. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Psychobueller |
Court, Does the '04 XB9R get the new gauges that the 12R has? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep |
Court/Anons... do we know if the XB12's have a cartridge transmission yet? Can you remove it without splitting the cases? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Kevyn |
Well, I guess there was life in the old tractor still! Ooohhh to have some spare cash... I like the XB12 from what I've seen so far... There is a heap of great technology at work and from what little I know, at a bargain basement price. I could put a **12R in the garage without a second thought---nice motor! On the edge waiting to see what Nallin/Wilson skunk works puts together!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep |
Kevyn... Nallin/Wilson is way ahead of you, they announced the XB88 conversion kit parts the same day the XB12's hit the street. $1000 worth of parts, no case mods or case splitting. That's gonna be a mind blowing bike. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep |
Steve_a... that makes me think... what does it take to get a bike into the Cycle World "American Flyers" section? I would think a "Team Elves" XB88 would make a killer article. Does Aaron just have to build one, and they will come? I would love to see it showcased there and get the word out that the new Buells respond SOOOO well to attention. These 600cc folks are dropping a grand at a time on parts and are happy to see 5 horses as a result. If I am doing the math right on the XB88, $1000 in parts, and $500 to $1000 in labor, and you probably just added like 30 to 40 horsepower. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Torqd |
what...no case boring to go 88ci...where did you hear that...I am pretty much doubting it... but...Aaron...time to speak up...if so... I might be in line for an xb88 soon...I don't have the money... but I will find it:-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Spooky |
Reepicheep, The case will have to be bored to do a 88ci(1430cc) engine.(XB12) No case boring is needed for the 1250cc kit. Blast owner's are seeing 5 or more horses with the stock engine just by tuning the carb and changing the exhaust. Eric  edited by spooky on July 17, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
The 88" kit requires boring the cases. It uses the same size pistons as the 1200 kit for the 9's(which requires case boring), with the new, longer stroke of the 12. edited by aPEx1 on July 17, 2003 edited by ApeX1 on July 17, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Spooky |
Apex1 The biggest you can take an XB9 is 1200. That was until the other day when Buell announced the XB12's. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sarodude |
Question for those in the know: Is the valve in the new wonder muffler serviceable or must the whole muffler be replaced if the valve dies? Is the valve a service item? Does it require semi-regular attention? Also, when the valve opens (effectively shortening the tuned length?) how much of the flow / wave energy still takes the long way? The illustration makes it seem like only a percentage of the area gets exposed. -Saro | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
Is the interactive muffler an EPA Noise Compliance device, or a performance enhancement device, or both? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
In a nutshell ... XB9 stock: 3-1/2" bore x 3-1/8" stroke XB9 1050 kit: 3-9/16" bore x 3-1/8" stroke - bolt-on kit XB9 1200 kit: 3-13/16" bore x 3-1/8" stroke - case boring required XB12 stock: 3-1/2" bore x 3-13/16" stroke XB12 1250 kit: 3-9/16" bore x 3-13/16" stroke - bolt-on kit XB12 88" kit: 3-13/16" bore x 3-13/16" stroke - case boring required The pistons in these kits are all different, because different displacements require various dome configurations to get to the target 10.5:1 compression ratio. XB9 owners also have the option of fitting an XB12 crank to their engines, which opens up the 1250 and 88" kit options. edited by Aaron on July 17, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Torqd |
I think that Reepicheep should pay the difference in cost for getting my hopes up:-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
XB9 owners also have the option of fitting an XB12 crank to their engines, which opens up the 1250 and 88" kit options. I'm new to this obviously... With the XB9 as a 1200 you've gotta shorter stroke/slower piston speed, higher red line... With the XB12 you've got you've gotta longer stroke/higher piston speed, lower red line... What I'm asking is, is this 6 one way 1/2 dozen the other, or is there a major difference on how these make power? I know there will be a difference, I just don't know what it would be or how the two would be different. Personal preference issue? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
That would be interesting, a dyno graph comparison between the XB9 pushed out to 1200 and a stock 1200 but with similar non-displacement enhancements made for equalization in comparisons. There is a difference, but it would be interesting to see it graphed. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
There are a lot of variables that make a question like that impossible to answer. For example, the exhaust system and the throttle body and the head prep, much is going to depend on what the XB9 owner chooses to do with those components. I haven't ridden an XB12 yet, but I *have* ridden an XB9S with a 1200 kit, equipped with stock cams, stock throttle body, ported heads, and a Force exhaust. It's torquey, it wheelies almost too easily (you gotta be careful!), and it pulls hard to it's 7500rpm rev limiter. Quite the entertaining bike to ride. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Misato |
I keep hearing from people not to bore the cases because of reliability issues, they say it starts leaking oil or cracking or other crap like that, you'd need a new motor every 10k. any truths to that? or can I tell them to shut the f'up..?? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
Ok let's say all things are equal except for the "squareness" of the stroke/bore... Quite the entertaining bike to ride. Hopefully I'll be having ya'll build me an entertaining engine this winter... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mikej |
Misato, Ask them for data or specific examples to back up their claims. Value their opinion with their response. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aaron |
Misato, that's a problem with certain year Big Twin motors for sure. Particularly '95 and older, in '96 they beefed'em up a lot. But with XL's, the 3-13/16 bore thing is well proven. Lots and lots and lots of folks have done it and never had an issue. I won't sit here and say nobody has ever cracked their cases doing it, probably someone has. But it's not a common problem by any means. Glitch, we'd be happy to help you, just let us know. Smokey Unick (r.i.p.) did a bunch of testing and found that the most hp per ci on a 4" bore Chevrolet came at 3.625" stroke. The factory pro-thunder bikes used a 3-13/16 bore with a 3.6" stroke. Pretty similar pushrod motor and pretty close on the chosen bore/stroke ratio. So maybe the real answer here is the 9's stroke is too short and the 12's is too long | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Glitch |
9's stroke is too short and the 12's is too long Some how I knew the answer would be something similar to this... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Misato |
thanks for the info | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep |
Sorry to get everyones hopes up... I misunderstood. I thought the 88" kit was a bolt on deal. No wonder I was so excited about it | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smitty |
Does anyony know where or if i can get the headlight switch used in europe for the XB? Can it be gotten from Buell;part number any info would be appreciated. Thanks Tim } | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
Smitty, The light switch should be available through a Buell dealer. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sarodude |
Smitty- By headlight switch, do you mean HI / LOW or On / Off? -Saro | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smitty |
Off -Parking-On. It is a 3 position switch on the right side. The US bikes have a blank there. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Kevyn |
Reep, I saw the kit...I'm guessing that the skunk works will have some motor magic that goes beyond the simple straight forward approach... Had I the $$, the XB12R would be enroute to Colo. NOW! as a donor bike for 'The Project' | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sarodude |
I was looking at that muffler diagram above and thought about something... The basic intent of a design like that is a Best Of Both Worlds type of situation. Traditionally, Buell race cans & aftermarket exhausts have mainly bumped up the flat mid range. Significant gains were had - but not WRT peak HP. Now this muffler probably flattens out that midrange situation. What's the point? Well, I'm just curious what kinds of gains may be had on the XB12s WRT exhausts especially in light of the fact that the traditional problems have already been addressed. Do we basically hope for a couple percent gain and call it a day? Will anyone else bother with the mystery valve? Will we actually LOSE mid range if that's the case? I'd like to note that I'm just wondering what that part of life holds. I'm not really feeling like there's some lack of power. In fact, I thought the 984s were / are very nice. -Saro | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Aaron, Imagine how that XB9-turned-12R would be at near sea level with another ten to fifteen percent more actual power. Yikes! The XB12S has simply got to be a wheelie freak. I hear Dunlop is coming out with a new front tire for it... something about suction cups to help keep the front tire earthbound.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Bbuell |
 great day on xb12 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Anonymous |
Okay...you wanted "spy photos". Althought the Buell XB12 announcement has firmly placed the collective motorcycle world on it's heels, rumors continue to abound about the "Super Buell". This fuzzy spy photo, snapped from the bushes, clearly shows a "I have no official assocation with Buell Motorcycle Company" operative overseeing the lacing of the front axle of the under development super Buell. Sketchy info is that the bike will break new ground with 54' diameter wheels setting it light years ahead of the competition in terms of it's ability to handle the mean streets of Gotham. The requisite frame size will simultaneously allow Buell to deal the "lack of power" taunts by fitting 4 Allison Intercooled and Turbocharged engines. A system known as "BIPOD" (Buell Interactive Power on Demand" will have a valve that, upon sensing WFO, simultaneously fires 3 additional Allisons and a Pratt & Whitney Turbo Fan. Testing is beleived to be taking place at a very large facility.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smitty |
Annoy. Wow how big are the injectors? Is there a race kit in the works? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
Court, Thanks for the details pictured above. The valve in the exhaust looks to be cable operated, no? Does it operate in concert with throttle opening? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Tripper |
Are the heads interchangeable with the S1? What it the part number? Thanx Court, er, Anony C. This is great news. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jmartz |
AAron: I am elated you feel that way about stroke. Thought i was the only one. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Apex1 |
Anyone else notice the intense "blueing" of the exhaust pipes on the XB12R pictured above by Bbuell? On the XB9's this heat effected area only extends about 6-8 inches from the heads. On the bike above it covers the entire primary tubes, down to the collector. Makes me wonder if the bikes have seen a significant increase in operating temperature with the bump in displacement.Hmmm? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Steve_a |
A head's up: CW will have a technical preview and riding impression on the XB12's in the next issue, out in early August. We didn't dyno or quarter-mile one yet, so I can't give any independent power numbers. However, Buell (Erik and other engineers there) have told me that they've been getting over 93 horsepower at the rear wheel on the Buell Dynojet. The official 103 horsepower number is determined through the SAE standard noted by the asterisk in the specs, a standard that Harley has recently adopted for all hp citations and that Erik believes is conservative. He particularly noted that a number of 600s couldn't meet the power claims their manufacturers make for them under this standard. I won't give any in-depth commentary on the bike until the CW issue comes out, but I'll give a few teasers: It is fast. It has a very smooth power curve, pulling hard at 2000, with a slight torque dip at around 3500 to 4000 -- but much, much less than previous stock Buell 1200s with the Thunderstorm engine. The responsiveness and drivability feel particularly refined. And while the front end comes up easily, it doesn't leap up in 2nd and 3rd as Aaron mentions with his big-bore 1200cc XB9, most likely because of the gearing change. If Aaron is running stock XB9 gearing on his, it would be geared about 10 percent shorter than the factory XB12. Oh, and the official belt change interval has increased to 25,000 miles with the Goodyear belt, and there is a chance that will grow longer as Buell gets more testing miles and field experience with the Goodyear belts. They're particularly pleased that the Goodyear belts are much less sensitive to damage from mishandling during installation. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sarodude |
Did I happen to mention how much I love this board? -Saro | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smitty |
Thanks Steve. Did you do the article on the 12? Apex1: I noticed the heavy blueing also. Not sure if caused by heat only or maybe a cleaner film not completely washed off before bike was put into use. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Steve_a |
Smitty, I wrote the tech article, Don Canet wrote the riding impression. He liked the bikes, thought performance was in the 600cc sportbike class, and still complained about control efforts -- he wants lower effort clutch and brakes, and yet better shifting. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>Smitty, I wrote the tech article, Don Canet wrote the riding impression. Reading that, I assure you, will be time well spent. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smitty |
Can't wait. I love it when I can show my Duck buddies that other people think Buells are competitive. Thanks again. edited by smitty on July 18, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 99buellx1 |
Smitty Our parts book does not give a breakdown of the switch assembly. Just the entire unit, and it does not have international units listed. Craig Buell Cycle Center  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 99buellx1 |
Psychobueller, The dashes have a different part number, but that does not let me know if that means that the background on the 9 is the same or if it's just because of the different redline of the two bikes. Craig Buell Cycle Center | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Pilot |
Court Mate, Two Words, Product Placement.How much did you charge WD40 to include it in your spy picture with the can slightly turned so as to not blatantly advertise their product? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smitty |
Thanks Craig. So the light switch is available as the entire switch assy for the right side. Run/stop, starter and light sw. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dasxb9s |
Am I the only one pissed about the new 04 XB9 bikes have a 24 month warranty for $800.00 less that what we paid for our 03 XB9 bikes with a 12 month warranty?? I don't care about the $800.00 price drop... as I have more than got my moneys worth out of having the bike this year. I think those of us with 02 and 03 XB9 bikes should push the factory for the additional 12 months to bring our warranties to 24 months... like the non-U.S. XBs have always had... and the 04 models now have!!! P.S. The new color scheme on the XB12 bikes are ugly! Unless the photos are the problem and they look better in person! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Henrik |
In that engine picture - does it look like they brought back the primary cover and direct access to the tranny?? Henrik | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Damn Court, I think your fly is open again! Nice pipe?  Wait a minute... why's the other fella on his knees lookin' all sheepish? Das, But you were the first kid on the block to have one no? I gotta admit, it'd peeve me some too, but I wouldn't stew over it. Just ride and grin. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Usapitbullz |
Court has his fly open. Blake notices his nice pipe? Someones on their knees? Have I missed something?  Hopefully noone has a perrdy mouth  Dennis, Maybe you can use your special interrogation/torture techniques used at work to get some things done. LOL!!! L8R, Joe edited by usapitbullz on July 19, 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| S2no1 |
Court, Are you working on a power plant? Thanks Arvel | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
Arvel: Roger. A 500MW Combined Cycle with 2 Gas Turbines feeding a pair of HRSG and on into a Steam Turbine. Will be the largest in NYC until we start on the 1000MW that will follow. Absolutely fascinating work. Court | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jim_witt |
Interesting, Out of curiosity, where's the water coming from? The 1.0MW is a pretty good size powerhouse, Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station output is around 1280 MW each and they're the largest nuclear electric generating site in the United States! The Navago Generating Station in Page Arizona output is around 2,250MW. Interesting work to say the very least. BTW, is it union? If so, what local is doing the piping? Arizona built 12 generating stations (some still under construction) in the last 2 years. ALL (notice the all) of them went non-union. Pretty unusual here, as they've always been built strictly by union workers in Arizona. -JW:> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>BTW, is it union? In New York City? . . . What are you smoking? There have never, since the I.B.E.W. was founded in 1890, and will never in my lifetime be a power plant built non-union in NYC. MikeyP and I are both members of Local #3 I.B.E.W. He is an "A" Electrian and I belong to the ADM Division. Regardless of one's personal disposition about Unions, this in one of the most talented groups (I've been doing Union electrical work for 30 years) I've had the pleasure to work with. Local 638 is doing the piping. Court Water will come from the Ashtokan Resevoir as does all of NYC's water supply through 2 of the world's largest underground pipes. The 3rd, under construction for something like 45 years, will be complete in about 20 years. |
