| Author | Message | ||
     Rasmonis |
Well, The good news is that my electrical problem was discovered. The bad news is that it was a cracked seal in the stator bearing which required the shop to split the case to get to it. Good news is that it's all covered under warranty and if I want to do any engine mods/upgrades I only have to pay for parts since labor is covered. Bad news: no $$$ The best thing I get out of this is getting the problem fixed and hopefully a completely re-tuned engine. How or where can I get an ECM map for my set up? | ||
| Xl1200r |
If you have the factory race kit...as in, the Buell Race air filter and Buell Race muffler, then there's a Buell Race ECM that's going to be the best match for you. Plugs right in, all they have to do is a TPS reset. About $210. | ||
| Fmaxwell |
He said he has "no $$$." That means that a $210 ECM is not an option. I think that he wants an appropriate map to download (probably with ECMSpy) into his existing ECM. | ||
| Xl1200r |
When you find where you can maps for free you let me know. I've never heard such a thing. Best bets? TFi unit (pain in the balls) $250. Powerizer (unproven) $350. American Sport Bike map (does one even exist for a factory race setup?) $100, plus a $250 key if you don't have one, plus $99 software if you want to tweak yourself. Or, you could spend the least and get the best and probably keep your warranty with the buell race ECM. | ||
| Jkkj |
If your bike has a "factory race kit". It probably has a race ecm in it. | ||
| Fmaxwell |
When you find where you can maps for free you let me know. I've never heard such a thing. I've already posted on here recommending that people developing maps using ECMSpy get together and share them and help refine them. The software is already free (ECMSpy). To me, the idea of working together and donating to the group doesn't seem that odd. Or, you could spend the least and get the best and probably keep your warranty with the buell race ECM. You keep your warranty with anything that is not directly responsible for a failure (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warrant y_Act | ||
| Skully |
Al at American Sport Bike found in his dyno shoot out that remapping the map in the race ECM provided an increase in power and smoother delivery. You can see this on his site. That being said, you can download this modified map into your stock ECM. There is no need to purchase the race ECM and this is a better match. | ||
| Fmaxwell |
I was not aware that the map you mentioned was available. I thought that all of Al's maps were proprietary, available for purchase only, and not available to be downloaded. | ||
| Dentfixer |
Not free. You can send him your ECM and he will remap it for $99, I think. Or you can purchase the Direct Link Software and Key and then download the map. I still think it will cost $99 though. SW and Key are a couple hundred bucks too. | ||
| Jkkj |
when I looked having the stock ecm remapped was much more than buying a race ecm. | ||
| Starter |
It's possible to reflash a stock into Race ECM using ECMSpy. Thinking that the fuel & spark tables are the only differece is a trap for young players........... | ||
| Fmaxwell |
Thinking that the fuel & spark tables are the only differece is a trap for young players........... Yeah, us young 46 yr. olds gotta watch ourselves and not be so gullible... Care to share your knowledge on the other differences? } | ||
| Starter |
When first comparing the stockECM vs the RaceECM fuel maps the first thing that comes to mind is you have them labelled arse about. After a couple of checks and re-checks you will realise that you infact labelled the files correctly when they were downloaded from the respective ECM. It has been suggested that there is some kind of enrichment value associated with different throttle opening. RaceECM "MAP" is generally richer at wide open throttle settings. StockECM "MAP" is only slightly leaner at WOT but much richer between 50-90% throttle. Saying this the entire EEPROM can be flashed if the "type" of ECM is consistant (not the case with 2004 XB9 and the RACE ECM) so the coding differences don't matter. PM if you would like to see the maps. (Message edited by Starter on September 05, 2007) | ||
| Tom60 |
"StockECM "MAP" is only slightly leaner at WOT but much richer between 50-90% throttle." Does that mean that the stock ECM is in fact safer to run with open air intake and exhaust (except for running more than 90% WOT) - or am I missing something ? | ||
| Starter |
XB9 RaceECM map is written for performance with wide open throttle from 2900rpm thru 8000rpm. Based on a theory of Buell's enrichment published elsewhere I ran the RaceECM fuel and spark maps in my StockECM and it made for a very gutless heap of shit that still ran fine but would not pull during roll-ons. Throttle reponse was fairly crisp but lacked the torque I was used to. AFV values climbed pretty quickly to about 120 from memory, where as usually my RaceECM, Race Exhaust,K&N filter and open airbox are around 105. For reference StockECM, Race Exhaust, K&N Filter and open airbox runs and AFV of 109. I use the same loop of motorway near my home to calibrate and test the settings I play with for consistancy and this specific test was run over the coure of a couple of hours. Best part of my test loop is the long hill at te end where I could really feel the difference. It also pinged like mad between 3000-4300rpm. My take is "Map" is leaner, but fuelling is in fact richer due to enrichment being handled elsewhere in the ECM. Some of the guys that have tuned on dynos would be able to provide alot better explanation of their findings. The only thing I am confused about is why Buell seems to have built an EPA emissions "hole" into the "off-road use only" RaceECM? | ||
| Tom60 |
Thanks, that makes it (a bit) clearer to me, I completely forgot theres more to fuelling than just the map  . (Message edited by Tom60 on September 06, 2007) |
