| Author | Message | ||
     Xl1200r |
Holy moly! I did the open airbox mod on my '07 XB12 and I'm truely amazed at the difference it made. I was running a Spec OPS pipe on an otherwise stock bike, but this airbox really woke things up. I didn't get the kit, I just cut up my stock box since I still needed to keep the servo, and I installed the K&N filter with it. I also loaded up the map provided by American Sport Bike for this combination and the thing runs like a champ. Haven't gotten to do much testing yet, but it pulls strong and I can't find a dead spot yet. Al, thanks so much for charging so little for a full-out dyno tune. Only 1 complaint - I had a buddy with an '04 XB12S with a D&D, opened up airbox and custom fuel map. His bike would put me on my back in 1st gear if I snapped the throttle open at about 3000rpm. My bike doesn't do that. Would the more forward seating position make that much difference? I just want to be able to lift the front wheel a little without playing with the clutch. | ||
| Blackbelt |
post some pics.. I am quite interested in what you did since that is prolly the route I am going for. how did you re-map your ECM? just curious | ||
| Xl1200r |
I took pics yesterday - I'll to post them once I upload them to my laptop. I basically left. the lid in tact and the runners to hold the hoses and wire looms that go over the airbox for the servo. Other than that, all I have is some thin strips of plastic left that go down to the clips to hold the thing on. I reprogrammed the ECM with a DL setup and a custom map from American Sport Bike. Took 10 minutes tops, including installing the software. | ||
| Dongalonga |
Just finished mine       | ||
| Dongalonga |
I wound up rerouting the breather house to the right side of the air box so it wouldnt black any of the incoming air. I will eventually smooth the edges, but for now its fine. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Dongalonga, When you did your 08, did you have to re-program it?? Also, the warning decals and the reflectors come off pretty easy. | ||
| Dongalonga |
There is no way I kow of to reprogram at this time. The 08 ECM is supposed to be more mod friendly from what I have read though so it should be fine. I wont be putting on a can until a reprogram is available though. I do still need to reroute the breather though. One thing at a time though. I have removed the rear reflectors. I will get around to the front eventually. I have to pace myself because these are the only mods I plan on. | ||
| Al_lighton |
Mark, That's the D&D mid range hit that you're referring to. The D&D is king of the midrange hit, but the price you pay for it is a weak top end. Some folks have looked at the exhaust shoot out and panned the D&D, but it's all what you're looking for. If you never bang off the rev limiter or even get close, a pipe that makes max power there is irrelevant, and a D&D might make a lot of sense if that's how you drive. If, OTOH, you're on a track, a D&D with lower midrange punch is great for corner drive, but really don't spend that much time in that particular area of the map and you'll be dusted by a more top end oriented pipe. The D&D is a fun pipe, but not necessarily the fastest pipe in a track or race environment. Al | ||
| Dongalonga |
Al when are you going to have an 08 map ready? | ||
| 147db |
Aargh! The right side of the airbox lid must be closed due to the heat amount coming from the engine... | ||
| Tankhead |
If I mod my airbox will I have to do a TPS reset. I have a 2006 XB9SX with a K&N, Drummer, Race ECM. It was reset when I installed the Race ecm in the parking lot at the dealer. Is it worth it to do or should I leave well enough alone?> (Message edited by tankhead on August 21, 2007) | ||
| Xl1200r |
Aargh! The right side of the airbox lid must be closed due to the heat amount coming from the engine... ??? | ||
| 147db |
...it's so incredible?!?  | ||
| 147db |
I mean: the heat from heads and headers must go away, not in the intake... maybe is better to open some windows in the airbox cover (to let the cold air go out) than in the airbox lid: http://www.147db.com/xb9sx/XB9SX29.jpg | ||
| Xl1200r |
Do you mean heat coming up from undernieth? Or heat bellowing up the side and getting in by the gap in the airbox cover? | ||
| Xl1200r |
Mark, That's the D&D mid range hit that you're referring to. The D&D is king of the midrange hit, but the price you pay for it is a weak top end. I knew the D&D had more in the middle than my pipe, but I didn't think it was substantially more. His bike would literally throw me over backwards if I stayed in it, I just thought mine would at least get the front wheel a couple inches off the ground (of course, the first couple are the hardest). Looks like getting all the DL was a good investment - I'm going to have a lot of tuning ahead of me after the new cams and heads ;) That wheel will come up one way or another... | ||
| Dongalonga |
Really 147db so everyone running American Sport Bike open airbox is wrong even though it has proven to make more power on the dyno? | ||
| 147db |
...maybe on the dyno the bike runs only 5 minutes... on the street things are different and the warm air is not a good friend of the right carburetion. Yeah guys, enjoy your Buells! | ||
| Xl1200r |
147, I'm still not sure what heat you're speaking of, but I agree that heat is not a good thing for the intake chanrge. I have a heat blanket to install under the airbox anyways once I reroute my breathers. Still trying to trace down the right filter... | ||
| Dongalonga |
I think I will be installing a heat blanket also, so I dont see the issue. | ||
| 147db |
See your frame, without the airbox cover. The LEFT side is thicker, it contains the fuel. In fact the fuel pump is at the left side, on the bottom. The RIGHT one is thin, there's NO fuel. From the right side comes the heat, the engine is just there. The warm air goes upright. And soon is between the (external) airbox cover and the (internal) airbox lid. A good job? Let the warm air get OUT from the cover and not to get IN in the lid. | ||
| 147db |
Maybe so is lastly clear:  | ||
| Hogs |
You guys blow me away talking about this HEAT... That may be true IF your bike is standing STILL....Once in motion theres no heat there ...especially once you open the inner and or outer airbox up ... So I say... Don`t stand still ride it and get over it...  | ||
| Badlionsfan |
You guys blow me away talking about this HEAT... That may be true IF your bike is standing STILL....Once in motion theres no heat there ...especially once you open the inner and or outer airbox up ... So I say... Don`t stand still ride it and get over it... +1 | ||
| Hogs |
Heres another ideal on cutting up the outer air box... lots of air here... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/83244.html  | ||
| Stampy |
There is nothing better then thinking about doing something over the weekend...Log on to the forum and the top topic is EXACTLY what you wanted to know! Will I need to be concerned about the ECU if this is the only mod I have done to my '07 XB9SX? I will do exhaust later on the road...but I'm POOR! | ||
| Xl1200r |
Hogs and Bad, I was thinking the same as you before, but after thinking a little harder I think he's talking about heat coming up through the frame and getting trapped between the airbox lid and outer cover. If you cut the inner cover, you let that hot air go right to filter. While moving forward will help to elimate this, a lot of our engies are hidden from much airflow so it could still be an issue. I do think 147 has a very valid point after all. As I said, I am going to be installing a heat barrier under the lower airbox so this should be null point for me. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Stampy - I've always understood it that a change on exhaust side doesn't really need an ECM change, but a change on the intake will. | ||
| Stampy |
Makes sense...I wasn't thinking. I'll hold on doing anything for a while...Winter mods will be calling! | ||
| Diablobrian |
A length of closed cell pipe insulation split along the pre-cut line and attached to the back end of the airbox base will do a pretty good job of sealing out the hot air. It will deform and conform to the contours, but it will mean that you have to hold down and forward on the airbox cover in order to bolt it back on. |
