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Towjam
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think I know the answer already but want to doublecheck... Does Buell use Surlyn for the body work on all models - or just the Blast? Is the translucent colors also Surlyn? Do other bike manufactures use Surlyn? Where do babies come from?
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Jaimec
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

1) Yes, though I don't know about the 1125R (yet).

2) I *THINK* it's a different material but don't quote me on that.

3) Nope, though car manufacturers do.

4) The stork leaves them in the cabbage patch at midnight under a full moon. EVERYBODY knows that!!
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The XBs in solid colors are surlyn

Translucid plastics are not surlyn

Not sure if they still do, but didn't Saturn use a similar body panel material?

(Message edited by diablobrian on July 31, 2007)
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Luxor
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not sure if they still do, but didn't Saturn use a similar body panel material?

Yup. Saturn sure did.

And I believe the 1125R uses Surlyn also. From what I've seen, alot of XB parts will work on the 1125R, and visa-versa.
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Translucid plastics are not surlyn


The translucid is also surlyn and 1125R is also.
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Sleez
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

a lot of golf cars are using surlyn.

can be transparent as well!!!

http://www2.dupont.com/Surlyn/en_US/products/surly n_reflections.html

pic of blast on this page!!!
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Sleez
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

and;

http://www2.dupont.com/Surlyn/en_US/uses_apps/buel l_motorcycles.html

http://www2.dupont.com/Surlyn/en_US/uses_apps/golf _bowling_sportinggoods.html
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Really Dana? I thought that the translucids were a much different chemical composition than the solid colors.
I didn't think you could dye the translucids and I know that the translucid panels are more prone to cracking/are
at least a bit more brittle than the solid pieces.

Well I stand corrected then.
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Metalstorm
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with Diablobrian on this.
I know I read that the solids are surlyn and the translucid are something else. I just can't remember what they called it.

It's some where in the archives. Circa 2005.

Edit: unless they changed it, translucid is somethibg else. It definitely is not surlyn on the 05 CityX.

On second thought, it's probably in the late 04, early 05 archive.
When the CityX first came out everyone was either asking lots of questions about it or complaining about how it looked (funny that).
I remember a thread about the clear plastics.

(Message edited by metalstorm on July 31, 2007)
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the dupont site has many applications of translucent surlyn...??? not sure what buell is using though, although i do remember as well someone saying the "translucid" parts were not surlyn...???? hmmmm????
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

no surlyn in saturns;

Materials used for the major body panels include Noryl GTX 910 PPO/nylon alloy form GE Plastic for fenders and quarter panels; Pulse B250 PC/ABS from Dow Chemical for door panels, rocker panels and lower deck-lid panels; HiFax ETA-3095 TPO from Himont Inc. for upper and lower front bumper fascia; and an unnamed proprietary HiFax TPO grade for rear bumper fascia.
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Acejay
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

what is special about surlyn, and why is buell the only manufacturer to use it in bikes?
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The translucid is also surlyn and 1125R is also

Sorry the translucid plastics are not surlyn. I tried to search the board cause a anony posted the matrl oce I just forget the name...
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Saintly
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I too recall reading that the tranparent body panels were made of a different(not surlyn) and more easily fractured material.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll tell you where I got my answer from. When Erik's design people brought body sets over to The Sign Shop (My Painter) to do the custom paint jobs on the Uly's for the Queenryche bikes. They referred to them as surlyn multiple times through discussing how to apply clear coat to them. Buell has some problems with early 03-05 plastics cracking particularly around the fasteners on the airbox if over tightened. I think that has been fixed since then. Just going off what I remembered talking with them.
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Under further review and research (IE email) it is Lexan SLX.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

After 17 posts and it doesn't matter really what it's made out of Cheese cake boy email's the Boss. Congrats Tony. I was just going off the Buell design people were calling it that day.lol
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cheese cake boy?

It is Cheese Kringle Boy thank you very much
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Chainsaw
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

After 17 posts and it doesn't matter really what it's made out of

...because that would prove you wrong and you would have to cowboy-up and say as much?
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Metalstorm
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

At least we can all agree that both are plastic yes? : D
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

because that would prove you wrong and you would have to cowboy-up and say as much?


Chainsaw I already said where I got my info from so there nothing to Cowboy up to.


Metalstorm,
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Metalstorm
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OFF TOPIC:

Dana, I totally blew it at the Cabones bar.
I recogized you from your pics and I was making my way over to introduce myself when I got distracted by the two local girls that were hanging out there.
I missed out on meeting a lot of Badwebers but what can I say, they were too cute to ignore
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thats Cool,just make sure you mark that calender to see if you can make Homecoming 2008 for the 25th anniversary. Its a must do.
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