| Author | Message | ||
     Buellshyter |
Rocket, your logic or lack of makes no sense at all. You want Buell to build a faster bike with all the technology but you want exclusivity. There are over 6 billion people in the world. If it's a good and desirable product people are going to buy it | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Buell has no frames and this had to come vender direct. Yup, it's called just in time manufacturing. It keeps a company like Buell efficient. can be hell on suppliers however. If you've ever taken a walk through the Buell plant, you'll see very little stock on hand. And that's for a reason. No stock, means no warehouse, no warehouse full of product means less taxes from not having to "inventory" components, and the space needed to do so. On the subject of a "new" tube frame? Ain't gonna happen. 2 years ago, during the presentation at Homecoming, Erik himself was commenting on the positive attributes on the aluminum spar type frame, VS chrome moly trellis frames. | ||
| Mcgiver |
"The mechanical margin of error for the hopped up XBRR engine is outside what would be suitable for a production bike. There would be too many failures of too many components for a bike that we would ride hard every day." Outside of Daytona, was'nt the failures either electrical, and a oil fitting? Sounds like a pretty dependable engine to me!  Brian | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
These are pretty exclusive:  | ||
| Endoman28 |
my guess is that the new 750 if it's going to be a 72 deg. vtwin frame development will come along with the engine. look at the uly's and ss and xbrr's the frame size was increased as was the rake 2 addtional inches in the swing arm just some food for thought. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Ft_bstrd - those are exclusive because they cost $30,000. You want to pay $30,000 for your Buell? Simple economics - if you build an incredible bike, but don't build a lot, people are going to pay through the nose to get them. Supply vs. demand. | ||
| Thepup |
Molly "funny thing is that most of the big 4 have adopted the buell design in one way or another....the new kawi's -most of the airbox is fake....the suzuki's- look at the exhaust....yamaha- same thing....i betcha one of em figures out how to put oil and gas somewhere special in the next year or two." Yamaha has been using a fake cover on over the tank for almost twenty years.As for oil and gas they don't need to put oil in the swingarm,the oil is held in the engine and the IL 4's have plenty of room behind the cylinders to place the gas low,my 20 year old Yamaha holds the gas pretty low in the frame. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ft_bstrd - those are exclusive because they cost $30,000. You want to pay $30,000 for your Buell? Simple economics - if you build an incredible bike, but don't build a lot, people are going to pay through the nose to get them. Supply vs. demand. Actually that's the F4CC. It's $120,000. That was my point. It's either exclusive because virtually no one can afford it or because the production run was limited. Tubers were} a limited production run because demand was LOW. That's where Rocketman's ride get's it's exclusivity. XBs are not exclusive because both supply and demand are high. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
ya pup i got a little caught up in the moment there but most of my point stands...whatever it was..i havent ridden a yamaha for a few years....and yeah the tank was a dummy for the most part....now the ole RD250/400 those has gas in the tank...that much i remember...i tasted it...dont ask....and the oil being where it is on IL4's well ok slight oversight but again whatever my point was it stands  . and i said a streetable version of the RR ...like all the good stuff ya know. | ||
| M1combat |
"The mechanical margin of error for the hopped up XBRR engine is outside what would be suitable for a production bike. There would be too many failures of too many components for a bike that we would ride hard every day. " Uhh huh... Care to explain that one? Why do you figure a tuned down XBRR engine (with possible further redesign) couldn't be reliable? "If my bike falls over I should not have to replace a 1100 dollar frame.. I can see some scratches, bars, pegs, mirrors but a frame?" I think you better check how much it costs to repair any other comparably priced motorcycle when you drop IT. You may be surprised. Oh and yeah... don't drop the damn things... sheesh. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
well i say we all gang up on cityslicker he's goin to the buell factory next week....we got an insider among us....there now the heats off me and ya'll can go hit him up hahahaha....he said he's bringin a camera..maybe he can get a heads up....nah,,, but itl be fun to bug him anyways. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
oh ya and what M1 said...dont drop the damn thing....duur. | ||
| Buellshyter |
At 120k it makes the Ducati Desmosedici RR look like a bargain. | ||
| Spike |
While we're on the subject of crash damage, it's worth mentioning that when I low-sided my XB12R at the track my frame pucks never even touched the ground. The right clip-on took the brunt of the damage. All total I spent about ~$90 on replacement parts. The only remaining damage on the bike now is a little road rash on the header and on the swingarm. Before anyone jumps in and claims that this was a one-time event, I have a buddy who lowsided an XB9R a few years ago and his frame was also untouched. Of course, the replacement parts cost was much higher because he was travelling at a much higher speed. It's been my experience that XBs crash extremely well. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
XB's are very survivable in a 'tip-over.' Broken bar end mirror, broken front turnsignal lens, small scratch on swingarm slider, it buffed out nicely with 800grit. Frame puck didn't even touch pavement but would have been the next contact point if the tip-over had been more 'aggressive.' - Just speculation on my part, I would never actually admit to dropping my bike in a parking lot. Especially a parking lot full of 50 people, while doing 2mph. You didn't hear that from me and I will deny the incident if questioned further. | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket, your logic or lack of makes no sense at all. You want Buell to build a faster bike with all the technology but you want exclusivity. There are over 6 billion people in the world. If it's a good and desirable product people are going to buy it S4R's, Tuono's, TNT's, Brutales, Tornado's, 916, 996, 998, 999, 748, 749, all within reach of the affluent enough biker and typical Buell owner I'd suggest, and everyone of these bikes displays more technology and better performance than any past or present Buell. So if it's true that the XB's have the handling credits, then I suggested I'd like to see Buell build a new bike without an XB frame (or similar fuel in the frame thing) yet equalling or bettering the current handling claimed to be the best (oh yeah right, ok, let's not argue) and include the technology and performance of the types of bikes I've listed above whilst keeping within their exclusivity range, if not even more exclusive, as the Ducati's are a little over subscribed compared to the rest of my list. Why that's hard to fathom I don't know. Maybe I need speech therapy? Rocket | ||
| Court |
I'd be interested in where that statement came from? I'm eager to tell all the folks working in the Buell Racing Department they don't exist. This is gonna break their heart . . .  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Court, Sorry. I'm misinformed. I was told that the program was not going to be continued. So there is no official curtailment of the corporate sponsorship of Buell Racing, correct? As far as my statement of margin of mechanical error: -Race engines are not consumer compatible. -Consumers are not capable or willing to service a consumer engine at the same intervals as is required a race engine (250 miles vs 2500 or 5000). -Consumers modify their products What is created in the race environment lacks the refinement and mechanical margin of error that consumers demand. It would be difficult for a company to warranty a direct race to consumer product. Name a single auto or motorcycle manufacturer that sells a street ready race bike or car. All are "detuned" for consumer sale. | ||
| Court |
>>>I was told that the program was not going to be continued. That would be horribly inaccurate. It was a matter of how the budget pie was sliced. Racing, love it as we may (and our passion pales in comparison to Erik Buell's) has to "compete" (pardon pun) for available $$$. When a company like Buell has 8 programs under way and limited $$$ there is a painful sort of triage' that, of necessity, takes place. It happens with my time daily . . studying would trump, for instance, motorcycle riding presently in deference to it's perceived long term benefit. It's the reality of life, it's the reality of commerce. There is significant activity within Buell Racing, albeit perhaps much less visible. Me? I long for MORE VISIBLE. . . I had a hoot last year! | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
S4R's, Tuono's, TNT's, Brutales, Tornado's, 916, 996, 998, 999, 748, 749, all within reach of the affluent enough biker and typical Buell owner I'd suggest, and everyone of these bikes displays more technology and better performance than any past or present Buell. So if it's true that the XB's have the handling credits, then I suggested I'd like to see Buell build a new bike without an XB frame (or similar fuel in the frame thing) yet equalling or bettering the current handling claimed to be the best (oh yeah right, ok, let's not argue) and include the technology and performance of the types of bikes I've listed above whilst keeping within their exclusivity range, if not even more exclusive, as the Ducati's are a little over subscribed compared to the rest of my list. .... wouldnt asking buell to completly change their design be like asking ducati to try making a fuel frame 999 thats not what buell is about they have made their niche just like other bike makers...a buell isnt a suzuki and a kawasaki isnt a buell...i may be misinformed but dosent ducati pretty much upgrade their base design year after year...its like asking dodge to make a corrola....i personaly want a better buell not a buell/yamaha or whatever.... (Message edited by Blake on March 02, 2007) | ||
| Ridrx |
A Buell does not compare directly with ANYTHING. Comparing one to the aforementioned rides is apples to oranges. Different is one of Buell's best attributes IMO. | ||
| Rocketman |
Different is one of Buell's best attributes IMO. And there it is in a nutshell. That is what I'm waiting to see. Buells different take on handling and power in a fairly exclusive technologically equipped motorcycle, but it ain't ever gonna happen. Rocket | ||
| Ridrx |
Why change for the sake of change? Until someone builds a bike that is as unique,capable,and simplistic with all the character that makes a Buell a Buell, I see no need to change it, UNLESS you have something as ahead of it's time as the XB was in '03 Who knows? We may ALL be surprised. BMC could start a new chapter in the history of American motorcycles. You can't really believe Erik hasn't learned a few new tricks over the last few years. It will be interesting to see the latest incarnation to say the least. | ||
| Thepup |
Riderx,how was the XB ahead of its time in 03? | ||
| Ridrx |
Thepup, I challenge you to name ONE other PRODUCTION bike in 2003 that sported fuel in frame. How about oil in the swing arm? Need a minute? What was the one with the underslung exhaust?... Oh yea...BUELL. Not to mention I forgot the name of the other American sportbike...whaddaya mean HOW? | ||
| Ridrx |
a'hem ZTL ? | ||
| Thepup |
Riderx,other sportbikes have no reason to have fuel in the frame and oil in the swingarm.As for the ZTL,rim mounted disks have been around since the 60's,Buell did improve on the mounting of the disk. | ||
| M1combat |
"And there it is in a nutshell. That is what I'm waiting to see. Buells different take on handling and power in a fairly exclusive technologically equipped motorcycle, but it ain't ever gonna happen." I propose that you can't see the forest for the trees Sean... The XB OOZES technology... even from the engine (and no... that's not oil ). You're just mad about Buells because you like HP. It's over rated bro... | ||
| Cycleaddict |
how is oil in the swing arm a "good" thing if you have a "modern" wet sump motor ? now if you want to talk m/c's consistantly ahead of their time look at the BMW's. the '94 r1100rs = fuel injection,alternate frt suspension (telelever),ajustable handlebars,height adjustable seat (3 positions) 4valve(oil cooled) heads, "fractured"connecting rod end caps,etc. Who was the first m/c co.to use telescoping forks . . . . BMW . | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
my prediction for the 08 buells is as follows...no matter what it is or is not we will all be here arguing about it and how great/horrible .... it is compared to every other bike in the world...there will be pics of one off weird bikes that none of us can afford and pics of potatos...then we will argue more....i swear if someone dropped a 20$ bill in this forum there would be an argument about weather it was watercooled and had enough horsepower to actualy pickup or not...while we were all arguing about the 20 court would be picking it up and laughing.....thats my prediction for 08 that and it will be an XBRR . |
