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Swordsman
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:08 pm: | 
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Bad,
~SM |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:13 pm: |
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"To be honest i did have cornering probs. with the (XB12R) when i first got it. Then, after that first hard ride, I rode to the shop and got rid of those Dunlops and put on a set Pilot Powers. Which in turn led to another cornering problem so i took off the peg feelers as well"
Word!   |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:25 pm: |
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Are we capable of building a competitive engine? I don't think HD is...
I suspect that this will be fun to quote in the not too distant future, in a purely sarcastic sense that is. 
Just wondering too, was the H-D engine that won the Supertwins race at Magny Cour last year, against an array of literbike superbike competition not "competitive"?
Maybe the trick was to beat a 999R Ducati Superbike in the hands of a former WSB rider at Daytona, without a competitive engine. Tricky that. Darn fogged up faceshields. 
Maybe the non-competitive engined Buells that finished ahead of all competition in the ASRA endurance race at Road America were just lucky.
And of course having Buell dealers and their riders finishing among the very top privateer teams in AMA Formula Xtreme must have been a fluke too, the engine was not competitive, couldn't have been; it only pushed the bikes to over 170 mph at Daytona.
Sarcasm is fun. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:45 pm: |
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Blake that is a XBRR that quite frankly is a race bike not a street ridden registerable bike. The 999r that it races was at one time before the blinkers and some of its body work was taken from it. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 06:07 pm: |
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Bads1, you might be able to register the XBRR in Poland.....If you have $50k to buy one. |
Drfudd
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 06:24 pm: |
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The unequivocal Buell vs Ducati debate, I've seen it too much and nobody can put an end to this and it would be no fun if someone did, everyone that owns a particular motorcycle wants to believe theirs is better than everyone else's. Quite frankly I don't give a damn.
WHY?
Because ever since I got my bike everyone I know say "is that a Ducati?"
not once has someone asked me "is that a Buell" but thats ok, I just smile and say its one hell of a bike. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 06:25 pm: |
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Blake, I'll believe it when I see it.
Take the VR1000, it came out almost compeitive on HP but broke nearly every weekend. Then they worked the bugs out and everybody else was 10-20 HP ahead of Harley. They just kept pushing that outdated engine while the world passed them by.
Then came the long awaited V-Rod, which is nothing to brag about.
The Big Twins are just good at makeing vibes and they don't break as much anymore or leak oil much. They sure are not engineering marvels.
What engine has HD built for a STREET BIKE that has been small, light, and powerful? I don't know of any since the 1950s.
I just go by what I see on the street and what I can buy. There may be some MENSA members in HD engineering, but the product sure as hell does not reflect it.
Most of my opinions have been formed since rebuilding the XB. Many of the components are just not engineered. Like my BROKEN primary chain- the part number is from the 1950's. You can't tell me that a serious engineer would not upgrade that part on 50 years. Don't you think in 50 years there might be a lighter stronger way to make the part? How about direct gear drive?
The XBRR doesn't mean anything to me until I see one relaible for 25,000 street miles and sold for $15,000 or less.
(Message edited by spatten1 on March 02, 2007) |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 07:01 pm: |
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and just so i dont get into a battle over semantics they said it was the "Best cornering bike".
After what, three times of you returning to read Bike, you finally figured it out?
It isn't semantics and that's why it's so important not to cloud your view without understanding what is really said. It is paying attention to what you are told. In this case Bike are saying the XB has the highest corner speed of the bikes they tested. I read that to mean that this is why the underpowered XB is capable of certain attributes that enable it to impress in its performance and handling against bikes of higher performance stat's. No where does such a finding, even if scientific, mean that the XB is the best handling bike, though I'm sure when people say it is I take that to mean it is up there certainly as one of them.
But isn't the real question, how can we be absolutely sure whichever bike is the best handling? This scenario never fails to raise another question I can never answer. How can this years models be bettered by next years models, as is the case every year. The Fireblade changed everything in 92. Again the R1 did it in 97, the GSXR1000 doing likewise recently. But in between the big leaps the benchmarks shift slightly every year. One could be forgiven for thinking we have reached the pinnacle of motorcycle handling, but nothing could be further from the truth, so it seems. So who is it that puts their finger on the button and actually declares the benchmark has moved? Could it be Erik Buell that sets the next benchmark, and will he do it with a motorcycle that turns my head?
The mind boggles.
Rocket |
Thelumox
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 07:02 pm: |
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hey swordsman-
some of us were just trying to answer buellnewbie's question; monster vs buell. jeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz!!!!!can't believe i just wrote jeeeeeezzzzzzzzz!!!!!!crap, did it again. |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 07:44 pm: |
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You all forget that when the 9 came out in Spain - it got the record for fastest lap time , beating a 600rr that carried almost 40 more hp - all due to handling.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 08:08 pm: |
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The Buells are great handling bikes. I'm very proud of Erik and Co. for the chassis design. As cool and functional as any Ducati, for me. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 07:54 am: |
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The unequivocal Buell vs Ducati debate, I've seen it too much and nobody can put an end to this and it would be no fun if someone did
Absolutely!!
Rocket
(Message edited by rocketman on March 04, 2007) |
Frankfast
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 10:43 am: |
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My best riding buddy and I both have Lightnings and Superbikes. When we go out for our early Sunday morning toot on the back roads we usually take the Lightnings. It's simply less work. But about every fourth Sunday he'll call and ask if I want to take out the red bikes. We travel the same roads but the pace is different. We arrive at our destination sooner and with smiles on our faces. I don't think the Ducati Superbike motor and the Harley should be compared. Before I bought my Long I looked at the Monster with the two valve motor. I had experience with that motor because I had a Supersport and never had a problem with it. But visually the Lightning caught my eye and that lump of a motor shaking that bike on it's sidestand became hard to resist.
Like I said, every fourth Sunday we take out the red bikes.
Like Rocket said, the bad rap Ducati gets on maintenance is a myth. I've owned alot of them and found them to be reliable. But if you can't do your own valve adjustments be prepared to shell out alot of cash for the service. Also, I suspect that most dealers can't or won't do a proper job.
(Message edited by frankfast on March 04, 2007) |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 11:10 am: |
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"But visually the Lightning caught my eye and that lump of a motor shaking that bike on it's sidestand became hard to resist."
Word. (whatever that really means, it seems appropriate) |
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