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Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 03:51 am: | 
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Good for you, I'm glad you were able to give that kid a little 'personal' instruction in manners. Are they just sending him home or what? No jail time? I take it that it occured off post, did the Turkish cops just hand him over to the MPs?
"So Timmy, ever been in a Turkish prison?" - AIRPLANE
Anyway, good luck getting your scoot fixed. |
Chit
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 04:19 am: |
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yeah i wish i knew what was going to happen to him in the states... but the Turkish military has jurisdictions on a Turkish installation (ie on post) |
Brineusaf
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 05:29 am: |
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at least you gave him hell
lt col kid huh... bet he was a cocky sob |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 01:00 pm: |
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You know, knowing how most military families are, I wouldn't be surprised if the dad told him he got exactly what was coming to him. Even if it were 100% your fault, that can shoudln't have even been there in the first place.
Plus, I'm sure the father doesn't want/need the press about this.
(Message edited by xl1200r on February 04, 2007) |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 01:09 pm: |
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If the whole rotor is grossly offset from the center line, it could also do that, but it sounds like the brakes might just need a good bleeding. Not sure how an accident would have introduced bubbles, but I am far from an expert. |
New12r
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 01:24 pm: |
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Sound like the rotor is bent, air bublles dont appear after an accident.
If the rotor is bent everytime you move the wheel it will push the pistons in causing you to have to pump the brake. |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 05:43 pm: |
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When you lay a bike with a mastercylinder on the bars, down on that side, the fluid will run away from the piston. It is then likely that when the bike got stood back up the brake lever was pulled or the act of it falling on that side could have pulled it, introducing air into the lines. |
Lbcalex
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 06:17 pm: |
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yep probably got air in the lines my brother had his bike knocked over and we used one of those mityvac brake bleeder thingies and it was good to go. i would've beat his ass too btw.. |
Interex2050
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 07:04 pm: |
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Glad you and your wife are alright...
And its wonderful that you gave him some hell over this...
As for the front brake...
I am certain that is much either be a bent rotor or wheel, and when you roll it just pushes the pistons back.
One of the bikes that I recently worked on had the same symptoms, brakes would work when not moving but once moving they would need to be pumped.
Some one was trying to steal the guys bike, and so they tried to break the steering lock by kicking the wheel/rotor. At first I also swapped the fluid and bled the system but with no luck. Measured the rotor deflection and it was off by a good 3mm. Replaced that and the bike was good as new. |
Tx05xb12s
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 07:25 pm: |
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Hey man, I'm sorry to hear about what happened. Though I can't condone hitting the little punk when he was running his mouth after almost killing your wife, I still can't help hoping you gave him a hell of a good lick before he went down anyway. As for the rotor, take it off (since you'll be replacing your rim anyway) and lay it on a flat surface. You should be able to see if it's bent. Otherwise, try bleeding the brakes when you get it all back together. Air in the lines sounds unlikely, but you never know. Look the caliper itself over too. It may have suffered damage in the impact. Best of luck to you, and try to slow down a little when going through those intersections. You can't trust the cagers to do what they're supposed to be doing all the time. |
Skully
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 10:11 pm: |
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Hey Russell,
I'm glad that you and your wife were not seriously injured.
Keith
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:25 am: |
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Don't know about Turkey, but if I was in the US, I would not have hit the guy.
I would have hired a lawyer, and had the lawyer slowly dissect him over the next decade. I doubt I would get much money from him, probably just enough to pay the lawyer.
I wouldn't let him off with something so nice as a simple beating...
On the other hand, he choose to have absolutely total disregard for everyone around him and violate the law, and as a result put the life of another person at risk. Once you do that, I don't know why you would expect the rule of law that you are so completely ignoring to suddenly be in force to protect you. When you go down that road and something happens, my response is "well, what did you expect".
Kinda like going to a bad neighborhood to buy drugs, then complaining because you were mugged or your car stereo got stolen... |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 12:24 pm: |
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i don't know what to do about your bike but i like what you did with the punk kid. i think about that all the time when i'm riding. the best piece of advice i was given was to remember one thing, you are invisible and no one can see you when your on that bike. good luck and i hope you and the wife stay safe over there. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 02:46 pm: |
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Jamimec wrote;
People don't suddenly become drunk and high behind the wheel... odds are he was drunk and high for awhile and there were plenty of clues if the rider was just paying attention.
After 13 years of detecting drunk drivers and drunk boaters I can tell you "clues" are not always obvious. While there are some drivers that appear obviously DUI, a lot of times it can be the slightest of clues when put together over a period of observation that can indicate a possible DUI driver.
Other actions that can make a driver appear obviously intoxicated; talking on cell phones, talking to passengers, yelling at their kids, reading, putting on make-up, adjusting the stereo, watching the TV, daydreaming, etc, etc, etc... |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 02:56 pm: |
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Glad to hear you walked away relatively unscathed. And thanks for posting your experience. It will help us all remember to be more vigilant on two wheels.  |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 03:52 pm: |
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Hey Chit, glad you're okay and glad you gave the guy a bite of knuckle sandwich... if only you'd been wearing the Icon TiMax gloves instead!
~SM |
No_rice
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 04:12 pm: |
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also, there is the fact that meeting someone at an intersection for a few seconds is not ample time to gage their soberness or lack there of. especially as they are blowing through a stop sign and you are trying to save your a$$ |
Chit
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:26 pm: |
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thanks for all the concern guys, the wife says thanks too.
skully, want pics of your product after a slide?
sowardsman, i had them but they looked goofy on me.
and for all of you being supportive about not seeing he was drunk... thanks, but i didnt even see him untill about 15-20m before the intersection.
he is denying the whole thing and saying i slid in front of him while he was stopped at the stop sign, which puts me sliding under him and doesn't explain how he ended up half way up a curb about 50m away engine running.
some people just amaze me.
i am getting a bunch of flack for beating him up tho... as i'm a slightly larger guy and he was a scrawny cracked out looking 5 foot nothing ••••••. 'i understand your anger but you DID assault him' i've heard a bit, but i got a 'you should have been the one arrested for hitting him!' today. they all catch me off guard as it is random people i dont even know bring this up to me, but IMO if i could do it again, i wouldn't have changed a thing....
well maybe a steel toe to the teeth instead of a punch to the dome. but only for comment he made. |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 01:17 pm: |
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Glad to hear you were able to beat the guy with the helmet. Most people don't get that chance. Hell... I'd have probably killed him.
Get a lawyer, though. |
Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 01:58 pm: |
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Sorry you're catching so much flak man. What a crock. Don't let it get you down - or riled up. Just remain calm to demonstrate that you are not an inherantly angry man.
There are many crude, rude, impolite, in-your-face, arrogant a$$holes out there. It seems that when I was younger people were more polite because they knew that if they weren't, somebodied kick their butt. My grandfather and John Wayne come to mind. |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 02:03 pm: |
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Plead temporary insanity due to the fact he had just nearly killed you and your wife. Sounds pretty darn reasonable to me!
~SM |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 03:01 pm: |
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Sounds pretty darn reasonable to me!
In Turkey? Don't they eat people over there?  |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 03:22 pm: |
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"It seems that when I was younger people were more polite because they knew that if they weren't, somebodied kick their butt. My grandfather and John Wayne come to mind."
John Wayne? You need to meet my mom... |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 04:10 pm: |
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Your mom looks like John Wayne? |
Americanmadexb
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 08:50 pm: |
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Man, this site has to be owned by FOX. The name needs to be changed to "HOW QUICK CAN YOU JUDGE?? |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:41 pm: |
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CNN/NPR fan I take it? |
Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 05:11 am: |
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How quick can we judge what? |
Americanmadexb
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 05:26 pm: |
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Just look at the first response. The man just about T-Boned a car that pulls out in front of him and all you guys can say "What? You didnt know how to slow down without going down? GO STRAIGHT TO AN MSF COURSE!"
I guess from now on when soembody lays a bike down we should tell them how much of a bad ass we are and would NEVER do that because we went to the MSF course and they show you EVERYTHING!! BS |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 08:01 pm: |
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Ya know, if he couldn't have stopped completely, and impacted the side of a van with the wife on the back seat, as he was face into the side of the van, the second impact would have been his wife driving his face deeper into that van.
There comes a point that a snap judgement is necessary between the time and space available to stop and the need for avoidance maneuvers. |
Chit
| | Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 02:30 am: |
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yeah, some people don't see it that way i guess.
on the BRIGHTER side of things, the inspectors just called me (from when it got shipped here http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/6817/236253.html?1161890154 ) and i was told that i have the choice of collecting the value of all the replaced parts + the cost of having an HD licensed mechanic ( the only HD licensed mechanic i can find within 500 km which charges about 190 YTL an hour) repair and replace everything, OR they claim my bike, and give me a brand new bike, but that takes up to a year.
they have it estimated at approximately $10k to have everything fixed that they damaged. that pays off the bike and buys me new frame sliders, a new wheel AND some new gear for the wife( with enough left over for gas money for a good while.
kinda torn tho, take the cash and live with the lower resale (if i ever get rid of it) or get a new one and start from scratch.
(Message edited by chit on February 08, 2007) |
Starbellied_sneetch
| | Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 03:46 pm: |
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All of these argument of "laying it down" versus keeping it upright seem to assume that the obstacle is going to magically disappear of you lay it down. (reference comments such as "I'd rather lay it down and hit a curb than the side of a van.) The obstacle is not going to magically disappear. You're still going to hit the side of the van, you'll just be going faster, since you've forfeited the use of your brakes. And you'll have great road-rash on half of your body to boot. It just never makes sense to lay it down. A car is not that large. If a person has time to lay it down and slide into the car, then that person also has time to brake and steer behind or in front of it.
That being said, this is not directed at Chit, as I'm sure he did his best under the circumstances. We can talk all we want, but none of us knows how we'd really react in that situation. Nonetheless, logically, laying it down does not make sense. |
L_je
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:10 pm: |
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Panic stop, two-up, at night, and your back wheel broke traction...that's a bad, bad, bad situation. It doesn't take much after that for your Cg to get past the tipping point.
Glad you and your wife are ok, and I'm glad she took that helmet away from you, too!
Forget the stupid brat, how is this going to affect YOUR career? An arrest, even without a conviction, has a bad way of traveling with you. At least you have a truly excellent story!
I certainly can't say that the exact same things wouldn't have happened to me, so you are not going to hear the least bit of blame from me. Sometimes, when you are in a foreign country, it's nice to find somebody who also speaks English...but not when they say stuff like that stupid kid was saying! Sounds like he had some really choice words for you. Wow.
Again, I'm glad both of you are ok, and hope that all of this works out! |
Fastfxrs
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:44 pm: |
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Chit, I'm glad you're both OK. I'll say a prayer for your potential legal situation. I've been a hot head most of my life and I'm not sure I would'nt have done the same thing to the drunk. Badweb is like one big happy, sometimes dysfunctional family, and while you can always come here for support and encouragement, you can expect some unwanted advise from your know-it-all A$$ Hole brother-in-law too. Again, thank God you're OK. |
Dmextreme
| | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 11:07 pm: |
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glad to see your okay. Glad to see your wife is doing well.
Hang tough bud.
Jerry | Iowa |
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