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Socalbuell
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ca buells have all kinds of extra crap in them because of emission standards what are the pros and cons of removing it? Its not like jonny law will know that your emission stuff is missing by looking at your bike
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Socal - unfortunately some of the law enforcement types DO know what is required to be on the bikes.

They don't always write violations based on smog/EPA stuff but it CAN give them something else to write you up for if you catch them in a bad mood.

The laws haven't changed but rumor says they're starting to be a little more tougher on enforcement.

I still have the stock pipe and charcoal cannister in boxes in case I get popped and have to switch back. Keep in mind, if your pipe doesn't have DOT stamps and if they can't see the charcoal canister, that is EASY for the guy to check in 20 seconds.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The firebolts (CA model) have their charcoal canister hidden behind the battery but in front of storage
compartment under the passenger seat. It would be hard to check quickly. Could be a good reason to put an
r tail on an S - if you live out there on the left coast.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can you make a "puke" can that looks like the canister? That way you can kill two birds with one stone.
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does the canister hurt performance?
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now there lies the real question.
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Jiffy
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I thought some drummers used the original can so it says DOT on it, but has the performance too.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am not familiar with CA specific emission controls for Buells, but I'm going to guess that the cannister is to keep raw fuel vapors from the tank and FI (or carb on old tubers) from being released to the environment. The cannister recycles the fuel vapors to the intake to be burned during combustion. Except for the extra weight and complexity it shouldn't hurt performance if it's working properly.

Pure speculation, of course, as I've never even seen one of these cannisters on the east coast.
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Debueller
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My bro took the charcoal canister off of his 950 Adventure.

It seems if you overfill the fuel tank (or fill the tank then let it sit in the sun) the overflow pukes straight gasoline into the canister. It then becomes clogged and does not allow the tank to breathe, causing the engine to starve for fuel and eveuntally quit running.

He removed his and problem solved.

Don't know about Buells, mine isn't a CA model. (mine just pukes fuel onto the ground) Maybe they are better designed than the KTM. It was VERY frustrating on his bike.

The last straw was when we were trying to fix it next to I-5 when cars were wizzing by at 80 mph. If I had one I'd look into removing it. IMO it is a useless device that can fail and adds complexity to your bike.
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New12r
Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If there is gas in that can something is really wrong, at least on cars. They are Vapor Canisters to contain Vapor from the fuel tank and release them through a charcoal filter. Overfilling is not really good to do because like the KTM above, it ruins the can, but should not hurt performance. I dont see any real performance gain from removing it either, it is only a vent.
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