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Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 07:42 pm: | 
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The story is a decade old and Court won't engage because he knows he's talking bullshit.
Rocket |
Jasonxb12s
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 08:04 pm: |
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I'm going to the post office as we speak with 9 boxes jack-o-lanterns that I carved with my bare hands and some candy corn....Super!!! wgas! |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 08:35 pm: |
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>>>Hell you'd think Erik Buell invented the light bulb if you asked Court
He didn't invent the light bulb. . . he just made it better.
>>>if i was to buy a bunch of buells and then go to the uk (not really going to happen) I cant sell them?
No. You may not. You may elect, as some do with cars in the US, to become a "gray marketer" and make all the mods. When you do the price becomes non-competative. For some small ticket items with no compliance issues, say Nikon lens, gray market only impacts the warranty.
For vehicles it's an entirely different game. Imagine getting your Buells, with their filaments in the turn signals separated by 17.25" to the UK, selling them and finding out you just violated a law requiring 18.3" distance. (not an ACTUAL example, but this gives you a sense of what the homoligation team does).
Remember....you see like 7 Buell models when there are in fact like 27 of them. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 08:41 pm: |
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so i'm guessin that was a no on the brake parts  |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 08:52 pm: |
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No...actually, that one's my fault. I've had the frickin' thing stuck to my monitor for about a year and a half.
Send me the list of parts you need and you'll have them by the end of the week.
I really appreciate you coming to the rescue on that one....that was a CLASSIC save!
Court |
Old_man
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 09:00 pm: |
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It is sad that not many Buell dealers sell anything Buell except the motorcycles.
I stopped in the "Buell" dealer in Somerset PA yesterday. The only thing they had with the name Buell on it was a few motorcycles.
It is a very large store and the people were very friendly, but I was unable to purchase anything that didn't have Harley Davidson on it.
I think they may be afraid that they may offend their main customers by stocking Buell merchandise. (perhaps an unmarked room in the back corner might work?) |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 09:50 pm: |
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You're sidestepping the real issue as usual Court.
Buell at the time you speak of were not bringing ANY Buells into the UK market under a licensed import agreement \ program.
Some astute businessmen saw this as an opportunity to do so themselves.
Later this became an issue when HD stepped in, and they realised they'd been gazumped at their own game.
There are also specialist companies here in the UK that will for example take your spanking new Mustang out of the dealer showroom in NY and have it type approved for UK use, waiting ready for you with British road fund license, registration plates fitted and all legal entities and fees taken care of, and it will still be cheaper than buying from a grey importer or any UK Ford agent.
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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 10:02 pm: |
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Rocketman,
Cite the case for us so we can all review and draw our own conclusions. Common sense tells me that the UK folks got their clocks cleaned in court. If this isn't the case, supply the information and let us review it.
I can smell a personal beef when I see one. |
Cluckcluckpush
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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I know Warr's fielded an XBRR team, it seems us yanks are too business oriented to care much about sport bikes or racing apparently. Sorry, my Brit is showing...
Go Triumph!!! AMA Formula Extreme 2007!! |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 10:31 pm: |
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Chicken shit. |
Cygnus_x1
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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Warr's sent me a McWilliams shirt, for droping them an email in support of their first race!
Thanks Warr's! |
Keys
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 11:58 pm: |
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funny thing about this not getting t-shirts and other nic-nacs (demand maybe)
The evolution of product branding, product recognition, and the inevitable fetish for the inventor's name are 3 very different phases in a product's ultimate achievement regarding public desire.
You push the product first, and then the inventors name second, as mystique regarding the product takes hold.
Not surprising I see so many Buells going around with several 2$ H&D stickers all over them... mystique-catchphrase first / branding second / last the personal inventors name suddenly becoming recognizable and meaningful.
I introduce the bike to the uninitiated as an "X" bike - particularly a Firebolt "R." And after taking them through the brilliance of the technical design (trilogy of tech etc) I mention the creator/company and it's history.
The word "Buell" has nothing intrinsic or inherent in its basic verbal recognition or associations to the average bike enthusiast - (and I happen to wish that the markings on the bikes were much more discrete.)
I do hope that the company moves to some more interesting marketing slogans and then the shirts and trinkits will have a name and value for the uninitiated that is intriguing. Otherwise it's equivalent to you wearing a hat that says "John Deer" and expect every suburban mall rat to instantly just "get it" with that special certain sudden rush of tractor driving pulsing through them...
But for the full converts it's so easy and fun to custom order any "Bull" sticker, pin shirt, decal, magnet...orrr awning for the moterhome..... Just be sure to tell them how to spell everything just right! lol ---And the bonus is that you have complete autonomous control over the final result. Our hero EriBuell would be prou!!!
If we are 3%ers expect to not sell much promo stuff UNTIl it means something cool for people to think about what a Buell can do and that being branded all over their shirt. Then you got yourself lots of future enthusiasts |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 06:03 am: |
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Rich
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 08:40 am: |
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I've seen lots of HD stickers on Buells.
Not on either of mine. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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>>>>Not on either of mine.
Don't make me kick your cane out from under you after all these years! |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
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By the way. . . for the benefit of those "new" (Like since 1994) to Buell, Rich was here YEARS before Harley-Davidson was invovled....yes, back in the time we looked at the "NEW" RR1200 and whined about loosing our XR motors.
"Old"?....we're ancient! Rich has stood the test of time better than I. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 06:33 pm: |
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doubtless recall that one of the greatest legal battles in Buells history was fought right there in the good ol' United Kingdom when someone tired that very thing, taking over the name Buell American Motorcycles, Ltd.
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Rocket |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 06:36 pm: |
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What is your question, Rocket? |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 08:15 pm: |
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What's in a name, I think is Court's silent zone call to arms.
Rocket |
Curtyd
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 09:01 pm: |
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""Anonymous" and "public notice" seem to be mutually exclusive terms, don't you think? ...Um, that would be NO...Someone making a public notice HAS to be identified? "
It certainly is required if you are doing anything BUT just talking internet trash. FIRST requirement of any legal action is a party (those aren't anonymous except in very limited circumstances like minors, but actually they are identifiable, they exist and the action is in the name of one actual person, it's just that name has been designated non-public information), but trash talk is cheap and this is all YOU are doing...Keep trying and jabbering...
(Message edited by CURTYD on October 02, 2006) |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 09:17 pm: |
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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 09:21 pm: |
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Buell is not special. Buell in conjunction with motorcycles particularly when you are a manufacturer is a problem.
My buddy's last name is Buell. If he wanted to make motorcycles (and call them "Buells"), he wouldn't be able to. |
Old_man
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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This topic has led me to a question.
I bought the extended warranty for my Buell and the card I received says Harley Davidson and uses their emblem.
Now everyone claims that this company is not part of Harley Davidson, but a different company.
If this, in fact, is the case, why does Harley Davidson allow this other company to use it's name and emblems?
If it is true that Harley has no involvement with the company that sells the extended warranty it is at least dishonest to allow them to use their name. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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>>>>why does Harley Davidson allow this other company to use it's name and emblems?
It's called, and it's a created legal relationship, "Licensing".
Quickest Example: Take your "Harley-Davidson F-150" to your local dealer and tell them you want the recall work done.
They'll explain it to you . . . just like Eric Clapton is REALLY not responsible for my guitar strings.
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Old_man
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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In other words, Harley Davidson is paid to allow this other company to use it's name and emblem.
Thereby staking it's reputation on this company. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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the reason H-d's name is on your Extended service agreement (not a true warranty)
is because it is not backed by BMC. It is more of an insurance policy in nature, even
though it is not marketed that way. |
Old_man
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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Court, speaking of Eric Clapton.
My daughter and son in-law attended Phil Collins' birthday party given by Eric Clapton at the castle he owned in Ireland.
My son in-laws father is a good friend of Eric.
He gave them one of his British Gold Record awards as a keepsake. It hangs in their home.
What I wouldn't have given to be there in Ireland at the time.
They said there was only about 10 people at the party. Sat around playing the guitar. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 11:59 pm: |
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Old,
Buell Motorcycle Company (BMC) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Harley-Davidson Inc (HDI), as is Harley-Davidson Motor Company (HDMC), so it might not be accurate to say that BMC is not part of Harley-Davidson, on account of it is a part of HDI, just not HDMC. |
Old_man
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 12:13 am: |
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Blake,
I understand that Buell is owned by Harley Davidson. When I bought the, so called, extended warranty I was not surprised that it would come from Harley Davidson.
I was surprised that the warranty, although to all intent named Harley Davidson, was not, in fact, from Harley Davidson. And, further, that Harley Davidson has no control of their practices.
This sold, aggressively, by their dealers.
I'm sure, with a great profit. |
Cochise
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 12:18 am: |
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Remind me sometime to show you the full article
We have a florist in my town that shares a name with a motorcycle company, are they infringing? |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 07:05 am: |
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A little clarity.
Cut-price parallel import motorbikes are threatened by the European Court ban on imports of branded goods without the maker’s permission. Parallels account for a third of new bike sales and are sold up to 30% cheaper. Many come from the USA and Japan. (Motorcycle News 22/7/98). Honda has taken parallel import dealers to court for selling their products without permission. Dealer's stock could be confiscated. (Motor Cycle News 2/12/98). The Advocate General made a statement in a similar case, involving shoes, making it clear that the law was against parallel imports. The man who drew up the legislation in the first place said it was never intended to help big firms like Honda stem the tide of parallel imports. It was designed to prevent forgeries of luxury goods. (Motor Cycle News 31/3/99)
Rocket |
Buelluk
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 09:15 am: |
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Methinks there are not enough Saabs in Yorkshire needing fixing! |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 05:54 am: |
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Don't you worry your head with such trivialities my son!
Rocket |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 09:02 am: |
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import motorbikes are threatened by the European Court
A European Court!?
Must be an evil twin kind of thing. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 05:50 am: |
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We as a nation are supposed to follow a set of rules / laws for all of the European community.
There are thousands of rules / laws that just don't add up country for country though.
France for example have a 100HP limit for producing motorcycles (witness the new Voxans [that can be modified for more HP once sold outside of France]), yet the UK don't.
UK dry docks are protected by fences, gates, handrails and strict Health an Safety rules. Hard hats worn at all times on sight. No unauthorized personnel etc etc.
In San Marlo there's a huge car park open to the public right alongside a pretty sizable dry dock. In fact the coach park is on the perimeter of the dry dock. A not so high fence exists, but no gate nor handrail, and anyone can wonder up close for a look see.
Two examples, all be it somewhat extreme, of Euro rules / laws that no one could figure out why in one country but not the other.
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Court
| | Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 01:06 pm: |
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>>>laws that no one could figure out
Don't feel alone. . . . The Yanks are still trying to figure out why, in Wyoming, that when two trains come to an intersection at the same time one can't pass until the other has completely passed.
You may have been idiots first, but we've done a stellar job of catching up. |
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