| Author | Message | ||
     Aj06bolt12r |
ok, how about a gsxr 1000?.... Id have one if I was willing to pay the crazy high insurace. Im not but I do love the gixxer thou, I rode my cousins for a while, its scary fast on the street.  | ||
| Im666er |
You should try one on the track!!! | ||
| Swampy |
Ok look at it this way. Buell could make a dump truck load of money if it came out with a bike that could compete or beat the current 600cc market I dont care about beating a 600cc rice burner, I'm not racing anybody but myself, all I want to do is enjoy my ride..... | ||
| Im666er |
I’m fascinated how nobody “wants to race”, or “cares about going fast”, but the first thing EVERYONE who buys ANY bike does, is start to put on Hop-Up parts, headers, intakes, tuning kits, Etc. (Message edited by im666er on September 21, 2006) | ||
| Swampy |
Because, It helps with the overall experience. | ||
| Brucelee |
Do we really need another manufacturer making a 600 bend over bike? | ||
| Glitch |
I’m fascinated how nobody “wants to race”, or “cares about going fast”, but the first thing EVERYONE who buys ANY bike does, is start to put on Hop-Up parts, headers, intakes, tuning kits, Etc. If my bike made 800HP I'd still hop it up, if you don't understand there's no explaining it. | ||
| Blake |
Avoid the troll. | ||
| Macbuell |
Agreed Glitch. I was thinking the other night that I wanted 120HP at the wheel. But then I laughed because I knew that if Buell made a bike that came stock with 120HP at the wheel, and I bought it, I would still do everything I could to get more power out of the bike. | ||
| Brucelee |
"Avoid the troll." And that would be? | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
ok i am not a fortunie teller or am i a motorcycle guenus like Mr Buell but i would think that the poerplant for future buells will be more like the RR's seeing as how they have spent so much time and effort to build and test such a bike that it would be a waste to have done such a thing just to sell 50 of them and call it quits. as for the liquid cooled sporster plant the magizine talked about it will probly be a disapointment if it was slamed in to a buell because i dont see it really being a powerful motor just because H-D doesnt really put much power in to there sporsters seeing as how traditonaly most people who buy the sportser is beginners and women (not always but most of the time). Another eybrow raser is the fact that if they do infact use a form of the vrod plant in the buell or sporster it will likely cost a pretty penny seeing as how the vrod is the most expensive bike in the h-d line up. | ||
| Blake |
Troll Figure it out yet?  | ||
| Brucelee |
"Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility." You forgot "they are always right!" That is why they buy/start forums of their own. They cannot be tossed! | ||
| Jiffy |
Ok look at it this way. Buell could make a dump truck load of money if it came out with a bike that could compete or beat the current 600cc market I don't care about beating a 600cc rice burner, I'm not racing anybody but myself, all I want to do is enjoy my ride..... You took that sentence entirely out of context. It is not about "beating" or being faster than the competition. It is about making money for a company that has the potential to make much much more. By adding...key word here adding, a water-cooled bike that can keep up with or beat the Japanese bikes Buell would grab a larger market share. It makes no sense to be against them adding a bike to their line up. More options are never a bad thing. (Message edited by jiffy on September 21, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
Yeah, do tell HDI how better to be successful. Start out (trying to be more successful) by challenging the most highly developed cost optimized competitive class in the market? Right. edited to clarify for Jiffy, who was confused by my initially poorly worded commentary. (Message edited by Blake on September 23, 2006) | ||
| Xb12r_nate |
OK I don't want to get in the middle of this debate but that post saying Buell should build a water cooled bike to beat or compete with the 600cc Japanese bikes struck me as funny. If Ducati can't do it with a $27,000. 749R or $33,000. 999R how is Buell supposed to? When a 9k production R6 can run quicker track times than a $33,000. carbon fiber and magnesium work of art it makes the task daunting! hehe I guess anything is possible but I myself will be happy if Eric Buell just keeps churning out these fun little torque monsters. Nate (Message edited by xb12r_nate on September 21, 2006) | ||
| Lorazepam |
How about a square four engine for the 25th special edition bike. How is that for out in left field?  | ||
| Tbowdre |
buell made a two stroke?.... sic | ||
| Az_m2 |
Ok look at it this way. Buell could make a dump truck load of money if it came out with a bike that could compete or beat the current 600cc market I wonder how Triumph is doing with theirs:  | ||
| Lorazepam |
There have been a few 4 stroke square four engines that were pretty good performers. A modern rendition of the motor would be interesting to see, performance wise. | ||
| Jiffy |
I also pointed towards the Daytona 675 earlier in this thread. Can't deny what Triumph has done. They were in the same boat. They had the Daytona 600 and all the sport mags loved it but wanted better power. Triumph delivered and they can't keep them in stock. Blake I was not aware HD was a fledgling company just starting out...or Buell for that matter. (Message edited by jiffy on September 21, 2006) (Message edited by jiffy on September 21, 2006) | ||
| Teddagreek |
Shhhh... Don't say sportster and Girl the XL guys really hate that  The new 675's are literally flying out the showrooms... My friend has a 2005 and it is rated a really good bike.. If I remember on the top 50 corning bike where the fire bolt came in first the 650 Daytona came second. Triumph is smart marketing sportbike and nostalg/retro bikes.. Hell I'd love see a retro board track racer for 2008... Sportster and Girl Sportster and Girl Sportster and Girl | ||
| Garrett2 |
i need to chime in on the guy that said "no one wants to race but everyone wants faster bikes" comment. he brings up a valid point. id love to buy a 12r and know that a bike with half the displacement couldnt keep up with me. but its slightly discouraging when someone buys a cheaper bike with half the displacement and can walk you like a dog. i know i know, buells are made to handle, but a r6 or gixxer 600 is no slouch in that either. am i jumping off of the hd/buell boat? no, i love em, grew up in a HD home and its where my heart is, i love the torque. but dont get mad at someone and call them a troll cause they make a good point, thats just not right. i dont care if the bike is water cooled or not, as long as it has the same sound that HD/buell makes and it has the tq then ill stick with them. | ||
| Spatten1 |
"id love to buy a 12r and know that a bike with half the displacement couldnt keep up with me. but its slightly discouraging when someone buys a cheaper bike with half the displacement and can walk you like a dog." This is the only forum I've seen with so much damn arguing, and I think it is because most Buell brand loyal people are in some sort of denial. It is OK to face the facts and say "OK, my bike is much slower than most machines out there, but I really like the chassis and the low end torque is very satisfying to me. I have chosen this really great niche bike becuase if its uniqueness and functionality in the areas that I value. I am not looking for the ultimate race bike and don't feel the need for the insane power other bikes offer. I am content with the Buell's power and love everything about the bike." I believe that it is delusional to claim that Buells outhandle racer replicas, while it is a fact to say the the Buell chassis package is very innovative, and works extrememly well. People get emotional when their passionte viewpoint defies logic. I think we'd be much better served to admit Buell's weaknesses and focus on what we like, stopping short of claiming accross the board supremecy of the Buells over all other sportbikes. That said, I'd like a liquid cooled Buell as a second bike. I'm not sure I'd give up the lump now. But, for the other 95% of riders, giv'em an option that they want. Make an American bike that'll giv'em hell out there. | ||
| Whodom |
On the whole power/speed issue, there's an interesting related article over on the Kneeslider site: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/09/21/how-practical-are-literbikes-on-the -street/ Evidently Motorcyclist tested 4 current liter bikes and 2 out of 4 testers said they would NOT want to ride them on a daily basis. The article seems to echo what Erik's been saying all along about building fun street bikes. | ||
| Xb12r_nate |
WOW! That was well written! The part at the end about the TA Dragster realy drives the point home. Had me laughing till my wife came in the room to check on me. I see it all the time, one of my Marines was asking me questions about bikes a while back. He wanted an R1, said "a 600 is to small, he wants a bike that has power". I finally got him to be reasonable and he purchased a used R6. I rode the bike home for him so he could practice riding in a safe location first. He had never ridden before. 1 week later he is raving about the power of the bike and wants me to ride with him so I do. Every time we get on the freeway he slows down then hunkers down under the fairing and opens the throttle all the way up and passes me at about 80mph, in 6th gear LOL. He's so excited about the roll on power of his bike, those 5k RPM roll's in 6th just crack me up. It's so hard not to laugh. I wish I could be there the first time he get's the bike to 16,000 RPM LOL, wonder if he will still want a R1 after that..... Nate | ||
| Howieshotrods |
FIREBOLT020283 I'm confused about your comment about sporsters not making much power, for years the XL1200 was the fastest production bike Harley made, I know my '94 XLH1200 beat anything other than a heavily modified big twin, with plenty more potential with some engine mods. I believe that is why Erik used an XL motor over a big twin (that and weight). Your point about the price is very valid, but just wanted to put my .02 in on the "girls bike". | ||
| Spatten1 |
Calling a sporty a girls bike is uncalled for. Best power to weight in the HD line-up. Lightest engine, and lightest bike is good, not feminine. Sporty's make very respectable power in the Harley world, however, that is really not very representative of what is offered in the competitive marketplace. I think the comments about getting spanked by other bikes includes the best of the entire universe of MC manufacturers. Some buyers will only buy a HD product, so the Buell is thier highest performance option. Other people will Compare Buells to bikes from Triumph, Honda, etc. | ||
| Buellishxx |
Funny seeing the 675 in this thread. As much as I like my buell, the thought of that 675 motor jammed into an XB frame had me down at the dealership doing some measurements. It would take some work, but I think it's possible. All it takes is time and $$$. | ||
| Perry |
I've said it before, but just in case someone at Buell is listening... Give me a counter-balanced engine so it doesn't chatter my teeth below 3K! The new Harley engines are counter-balanced... so is it too much to hope for? I don't need the smoothness of an I4, but if you've ever been on a balanced twin you know what I'm talking about. And on another note... the impulse to tweak has nothing to do with wanting to be fastest. It has to do with pride of ownership, making a contribution to your ride by making it better than it was, learning, accomplishing... all part of the experience. My eleven year old son and I tweak with his Kawi 125, and I'm always telling him to ride SLOWER. There is a class of people that just want to plop down their cash and leave everything stock, have someone else do ALL the maintenance, etc. and those people usually buy a Lexus, not a Buell. Buell people want to make their bike unique, and personally contribute in some way to its greatness. I could afford any bike including a ZX-14 or GSX-R1000. I bought a Buell. I promptly drilled the airbox, installed race kit, heated grips, select seat, etc. etc. and not because I want to turn it into the bike I didn't buy, but because it's MY bike. |
