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Vonsliek
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:24 am: | 
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blake .. HAHAHA!! ;P
duckbuell .. get a ducati .. like u said ... the torque of the buells is too strong, the ducati is softer & WAY smoother. better build quality & if u don't hooligan, it'll hold up nicely for a maturer chappy!
i'd get a tuono if i wanted another naked twin ..
if i wanted to be fast - gsxr1000 ..
if i wanted to scream - r6
if i wanted to cruise all day long - heritage softtail.
et voi la. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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ya got me smilin Blake. My Buell is my marriage counselor. |
Mesafirebolt
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:33 am: |
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I often ride with a friend with a 0something 600 ninja, My XB12R will outrun it period and when we hit the corners, I dont even look back. I do have to slow down and wait from time to time though. I know he isn't as experienced as I am but on the straights we both give it our all and I DO pull him. |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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In Erik's own words (from buell.com):
"We're not interested in a spec war with other bike makers and our customers aren't either. We're trying to build the best sport bike, not the best race bike, so our riders can have more fun in their lives."
Guess that explains it!
~SM |
Davy_boy
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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Did not buy a Buell for all out speed and don't think they were designed for it . Want to smoke the little Duc 900 then get a gsxr 750 and show him who's boss! |
Buellerx
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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My friend and I were in Daytona in March and he got beat by a Girl on a Pink Ducati Monster. He was on his Honda Superhawk. I was embarrassed for him. Actually I was embarrassed for me also because I had to be seen with him the rest of the weekend. I kept having the feeling the everywhere we went people were like "Hey There's that guy that got beat by the pink Ducati"
My XB12 however did NOT get beat by her. But we were only going from light to light on International Speedway Blvd. |
Jpdog
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 11:48 am: |
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Just imagine what a monster S4 or the new S4R would do to your XB with another 40hp, it would be ugly! |
Nutsnbolt
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 03:26 pm: |
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cycleaddict as you stated before, you'be been riding longer that some of us have been alive on this earth. Are you telling me that in all these years, you haven't figured out that hp isn't everything? I watch speed channel on Two wheel Tuesday's and I haven't seen much out of Buell as far as racing goes. But, who cares? If I was worried about racing, I wouldn't have bought a Buell!
I understand the frustration, though. Which is why every time I get tempted to get the Micron exhaust and Race ECM and chop up my airbox, I do the simple math that says, after all that money, compared to what I paid for my Buell, I could have bought the Ducati.
So, I get it. But, here's some sage advice. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. And if that doesn't work...then get the Ducati. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 06:43 pm: |
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On a more serious note...
I've ridden a Duc 750SS and an XB9S, each at about the same level of performance enhancement, dyno-tuned EFI augmentation, airbox, exhaust. The XB9S is faster and accelerates more quickly, no question about it. Something is seriously horribly wrong with an XB9 that is outrun by a Ducati 620. I sure did enjoy riding the SS750 though. It was well setup suspension wise and was a wonderful bike to ride. I was very much impressed.
Cycleaddict,
You ought to have your bike dyno tested to see what it is doing if you are that concerned about it. You'd think that if the M900 or M1000 or their SS variants were so competitive, you see them out winning Thunderbike races. I wish they would run more in those series; you just don't see them very often. |
Xb9er
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 08:29 pm: |
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If I wanted a bike that would go 150 mph down the highway in 1 second, I would would have kept my crotch rocket, but crotch rockets suck. Buell-Best in the universe. |
Shea
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:03 pm: |
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Intesting. This is def one looking at hp would have never revealed this info.
Is it that the Ducs have a flatter power band? It's sort of like a Porsche Cayman...it's not a 911, but from 3500 RPMs to redline, it's cranking out it's peak hp and torque, which means all of its' power all of the time instead of an actual peak up high.
(Message edited by Shea on September 14, 2006) |
Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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Hate to say it but a lot has to do with the rider. I've beaten people on XB12R's in races on my SS750 and have had my doors blown off by others. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:33 pm: |
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But were talking simple roll-on competition here, not road racing. |
Starter
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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Hmmm what gear were you in and what did the tacho say? I got a couple of mates with enhanced M1000s and there is very little difference in the power characteristics compared with my XB9R with race kit. Roll-ons at any speed is a pretty even match as long as I start off at least 5500rpm. As stated above the Dukes have a pretty good power delivery for roll-ons as the revs are not as crutial. |
Nutsnbolt
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 11:07 pm: |
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This is ridiculous.
It's like comparing the Peace Corps with the Marine Corps.
I own a similar bike (xb9r) Why is this so debatable considering that so many other factors are in play. Gearing, power band, riders ability, and how about the fact that Buell's were never really built to race but that they were built, as I see it, to enjoy. Putting motoring back in the hands of the rider.
I love my Buell. Read my profile... I'm just blown away at the fact that we are trying to justify this. |
Cycleaddict
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 11:07 pm: |
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i think my bike runs very strong but- iwas very surprised that two bikes that seemed so similiar (equal?) could have so much difference in roll on performance. i guess the ol' concrete dyno don't lie! |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 12:40 am: |
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Nutsnbolt,
Calm is good. This is a discussion board where we like to discuss stuff. Sorry it "blows you away." Fact is that the air-cooled Ducatis are probably the closest thing out there to a Buell, so I disagree strongly that to compare the two bikes is "ridiculous." There have been more than a few professional journalistic comparisons featuring the two bikes.
Cycleaddict,
There shouldn't be much difference. If there is, you might want to have you bike checked out. |
Kdan
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 12:40 am: |
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This is ridiculous.
It's like comparing the Peace Corps with the Marine Corps.
Serious. The Peace Corp still has their frontal lobes. |
Shea
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 08:41 am: |
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Nutsnbolt,
I agree with blake. Many find this discussion enjoyable. The Ducatis seem like a great comparison to the Buell, otherwise, you wouldn't see it being done by cycle rags either.
It's fun to have a little friendly competition and chat with other bike owners. I see nothing wrong with this, even if it's a high end Euro bike. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
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"The Peace Corp still has their frontal lobes"
Yes, but they are missing their testicles! |
Cycleaddict
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 11:57 am: |
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what was i thinking ? competition amongist men (on motorcycles) YES! for me this is a natural thing---parking lot competition is for those chopper thangs,(that frankly boils down to the size of your wallet) it is o.k. to "test" your motorcycle againist other motorcycles ! |
Darkducati
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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The 620 should get it's ass handed to it. On the topic of comments on the fit and finish and quality of the Ducatis, I had a Monster I bought new and found that it was nowhere near the build quality of my XB9. The Ducs are fun but I don't love them like I love my Buell. When I bought my XB it was like I found motorcycling all over again, on a whole different level. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 12:03 pm: |
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Some guy on a ridgid chopper with a 96" S&S got TOTALLY dusted by an '04 12R yesterday. Funny thing is... that same chopper TOTALLY dusted a M620 Duck a light or two before that... |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 12:46 pm: |
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>>>I love my Buell. When I bought my XB it was like I found motorcycling all over again, on a whole different level.
That's pretty much the story. In addition to my wife and kids, there are two wheeled things my kids will have to deal with when I die.
The first is the concours 1952 Cushman 711 Highlander that sits next to my desk.
The 2nd is a 1995 Buell S-2 Thunderbolt that's seen more of the United States than most people and been in more states that most 5 Buells combined.
It changed my life......it stays.
If you arrived at Buell during the "XB period" your timing is good. . . . think about arriving at the Cape to view a shuttle launch about the time the transporter is a 1/2 mile from the pad taking the STS from the VAB to the pad.
Commend yourself for great timing.
Court |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 02:56 pm: |
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From the Motorcyclist Performance Data Table: | Motorcycle | RWHP @ RPM | Torque (LB*FT @ RPM) | Corrected 1/4-mile (sec @ MPH) | Top-gear Roll-ons 60-80 MPH (sec) | Wet Weight (LB) | | Ducatti SS900 i.e. ('00) | 77.5 @ 7750 | 59.3 @ 5750 | 11.99 @ 109.5 | 5.61 | 444 | | Buell XB9SX CityX ('05) | 73.90 @ 7250 | 56.7 @ 6000 | 12.57 @ 105.1 | 4.73 | 449 | | Buell XB12S Lightning ('03) | 92.2 @ 6750 | 71.9 @ 5750 | 11.38 @ 117.6 | 3.85 | 462 |
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Blake
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 03:06 pm: |
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quote:"I like the XB because it can keep up with wifes Ducati. Air-cooled rubber mounted v-twin in aluminum frame: perfect."
quote:"In a top gear roll on, wife in sixth gear on her 620 Monster, and my 140 pounds on an XB12 Lightning running 5th gear, she can RUN AWAY from me."
I'm confused.
Dean (Fullpower), are you still running the low octane gasoline? Hmmm... My guess is that if the latter of your characterizations is the current state of your XB12's performance, then your engine is in need of some serious fixing. An XB12 running on one cylinder wouldn't be so outperformed by an M620 as you indicate for your XB12. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 04:16 pm: |
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I've ridden lots of Buells.
I've ridden lots of Ducati Monsters.
If you are going to try to convince me that a 620 Monster is anywhere near as quick as a Buell, either a 9 or a 12, it's gonna take a LOT of talking.
The 620 Monster is my favorite....you get the Monster styling for bargain basement bucks. But it's about a push with the KLR in terms of performance.
Court |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 04:54 pm: |
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It is possible the XB is getting a little tired, my front cylinder is making 160 PSI warm, rear cylinder is at 150 PSI. a bit over 20,000 miles today.
the little ducati will indeed pull away from me in a top gear roll on, as in passing motorhomes, etc. around a hundred i am catching her pretty easily. perhaps my choice of the phrase " running away" was an exxageration.
both still great motorcycles in my book. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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You still running low octane in it?
Check the 60-80 mph roll-on times between the Duc 900 and the XB12 in the table above? I reckon a 620 Duc would be up around 7 seconds or so in that roll-on test. Your bike is obviously not running at anywhere near its potential. You'll likely be amazed at the power the bike will make should you ever decide to put it into a state of proper tune. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 05:59 pm: |
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One thing that is seemingly being ignored, or maybe just not thought about in the case of the 900SS is what gear he started in. He very well could have been ripping along in 5th in the meat of the Duc's power band, instead of lower down the rev range in 6th where most roll ons are done. With the ZX6RR I had, I would cruise the freeways in town in 5th for quick concise roll on passing when needed rather then worry about a need to downshift. So in this case its very possible that the Duc's roll on would be quicker, it certainly has the extra RPMS to have a broader speed range in 5th then an XB in 4th, and then it grabs 6th. You also don't know if the 900SS is running different gearing for more acceleration at the cost of topspeed.
If I remember right Dean, your wife's 620 isn't exactly stock either, sporting Termy pipes and jet/FI work. |
Tleighbell
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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If you try a rollon with a race kitted XB9 between 4000 and 5000 rpm you have to wait patiently until the revs slowly build to 5000 before it starts to pull. The dyno charts (see the exhaust shootout) clearly show the big dip in torque and power in that range and you can feel it. Maybe you got caught in this flat spot. |
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