| Author | Message | ||
     Thepup |
Here is a link to some pics of a Revo powered sportbike http://k-wallbaum.homepage.t-online.de/my/suzi/pictures/pic.htm | ||
| Tommy_k |
Cool. I LOVE the engine in my night rod. It runs so darn smooth! I can't wait to slap a turbo on it and see 170rwhp. That bike would be a hoot to drive!! TK | ||
| Thepup |
 Very interesting,seems like a Revo would work in a sportbike. | ||
| Josh_cox |
The bike looks pretty cool. I wonder about the weight though. Hopefully it doesn't feel like forcing a 900RR around the track or something like that. Tommy K: Your only aiming for 170? We just finished building a turbo VROD for a guy and on the break in map, we were pulling 160hp at 60% throttle! He is supposed to come back next week for the final tune. We are realistically looking for around 200rwhp. | ||
| Blake |
An XBRR would have spanked it. It's a fun project for a bunch of guys. Cool stuff for sure. Short of a top ten finish, it's not anything that is likely to warrant serious consideration. Those guys are out to have fun and race... for fun. Kudos to them and way to go I say! Really cool stuff! They are definitely doers and I sure do respect that.  | ||
| Blake |
Any guesses on what it weighs or how it stacks up in power against other twin cylinder superbikes? | ||
| Buellshyter |
And to think some said it couldnt be done | ||
| Thepup |
The XBRR would have to be able to run 757 laps,could it? | ||
| Anonymous |
The motor just can't be built into a world class sportbike. If you're willing to settle for an also ran, then I guess it's OK for you. | ||
| Thepup |
Alot of ppl would say the Xb is an also ran too. | ||
| Anonymous |
Let's see, first place in it's first race, first place in it's first endurance race, first non-Japanese in Formula Extreme. Right, the XBRR is an also ran. And the bike in your picture???? | ||
| Thepup |
A XB is not a XBRR is it?I wonder what kind of HP you could get out of a Revo,I bet more than the current XBRR engine.Compare a homemade bike with a little help from harley to a factory built racebike,makes sense to me. | ||
| Thepup |
Post an article of an interesting bike,and the usual suspects start putting it down,surprise surprise,surprise. | ||
| Blake |
30th place? The hypocrisy of the naysayers is hilarious. The XBRR indeed is an "XB." The XBRR beats a full-on Ducati 999R superbike in its first race outing. Outstanding! Some fun-loving motorheads get together and build a project bike to have some fun with and bring it home to a 30th place finish. Cool. To now gloat that "some said it couldn't be done", silly. | ||
| Thepup |
Blake do you think theXBRR would have ran 757 laps? Didn't the XBRR get beat by a 3 or 4 year old BMW? (Message edited by thepup on August 15, 2006) | ||
| Eexb |
"do you think theXBRR would have ran 757 laps?" Yea, cum on, do ya, do ya, I bet it can't, huh, huh !!! Talk about "naysayers" ??? | ||
| Blake |
That is silly, a non sequitur as far as the point at hand is concerned. I'll try and explain why so you can try to avoid such silliness in the future. Valentino Rossi's Yamaha GP racing machine would lose to an old BMW when he crashes-out or the bike has trouble. That said, the 3-4 year old BMW is fairly competitive with the 3 year old Buells. It too would put a spanking on the topical VR machine. Has any BMW racer beaten a well-ridden full-on Ducati 999R superbike in a heads-up dual to the finish, ever? Plain old XB12R racing machines are beating one of the best racing R-bikes that BMW has to offer in ASRA Thunderbike. The XBRR is significantly faster. The very first outing of the XB9R was a similar success where at Louden International Raceway Jeff Wood took a virtually just out of the box Kosko XB9R to victory in the FUSA Sportbike race. Not 30th place.  First place.  First place right out of the box for both the XBRR and the XB9R speaks well of the Buells' capabilities and overall sporting design. Thirtieth place in a 24 hour endurance race speaks well of a bike's durability, but little else. This past weekend at Barber Motorsports Park, Buell racers garnered 12 podiums including five wins competing in CCS/ASRA national races. This speaks well for the Buells as racing machines in their applicable classes. | ||
| Blake |
If that same team had fielded an XBRR, you bet, it would have done a heck of a lot better than 757 laps (30th place). | ||
| Trojan |
Not 30th place. That is 30th Place ina WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP endurance race against GSXR1000, R1 Yamahas etc, not a domestic championship against 600's. Give these guys some credit for what they have achieved instead of just flaming them for not racing a Buell please. Personally I love it Now what did I do with the phone number for Harris Brothers... | ||
| Jens |
They are beaten by the KTM Super Dukes with 4 sec per lap .... It is a nice try but the laptimes showing for now that a V-rod engine is so much too heavy that with all the lightweight components they choose (Bakkerframe, PVM Wheels etc.) in the end the package with more than 230 kg is not competitive with the HP they have for now. Sure that they work next on the engine to find some power, but what we hear from the german Destroyer cup -also a V-Rod engine starts to make serious headache in lifetime if you dig for power. But watercooled 4 valves makes the things easyier anyway. Itīs nice that somebody have done the V-Rod Racer now! But if you modify a XBRR that the bike is running 10 sec per lap behind the leading 1000cc IL4 Teams (what the V-Rod do for now) than the modified RRpackage have the chance to go over the time too. The first try for Buell at the 24h of Oschersleben was more than 8h, the second more than 12h, before major engine problems. With the right technology also the aircooled RR engine can finish there. For the record: the World Championship is limited of 1000cc, the V-Rod started in the "open class" what not get WC points. Jens (Message edited by Jens on August 16, 2006) | ||
| Brineusaf |
I was waiting for you to respond to this Jens. You get my email? | ||
| Jens |
(-: Kyle, got your mail and will respond the next 2h. Jens | ||
| Trojan |
So if the V-Rod powered bike ran in the Open (over 1000cc) class it effectively finished 2nd in class and 30th overall, which is an even better achievement It may be heavy, but for a first outing I think it is very encouraging. Don't forget that the KTM Superduke, even in road trim, is an extremely competent package straight out of the box, so certainly wouldn't have needed anywhere near the development that this will need to have. | ||
| Jens |
All bikes who are not all time starters run in the open class. But yes from the 2 bikes over 1000cc, they finished second. The Result: http://www.worldendurance.co.uk/06/oschersleben/results.htm The Qualifying: http://www.worldendurance.co.uk/06/oschersleben/qualifying.html The Times: http://www.worldendurance.co.uk/06/oschersleben/startinggrid.pdf The Teams: http://www.raceresults.nu/uitslagen/2006/FIM/World%20Endurance%2024%20hours%20Ra ce%202006/Endurance%20WM%20-%20Final%20Entry%20list.htm | ||
| Eexb |
The Vrod engined bike is a neat unit - kudos to the team !!! We shouldn't compare "apples to oranges" here - the XBRR as it's been raced in the US is a sprint bike and that Vrod powered bike is endurance racing. NOT a fair comparison to be "what iffing" about either bike. If someone prepared an XBRR specifically for endurance racing it might likely do as well as the Vrod bike, but there's no deciding that unless it's actually done. And 1 or 2 race results do not allow for definite conclusions about a bike's performance. As usual, thepup is trolling here, suggesting that an XBRR cannot do what the Vrod bike did. And, as usual, he's baseing his point(s) on conjecture not fact. Sprint racing (Formula Extreme) and Endurance racing are two different animals and it's foolish to compare the two bikes. Suggesting that an XB is not the same as an XBRR is another "trolling for trouble" BS statement - we all know where the XBRR came from, what it's heritage is and what platform it evolved from. No need to even respond to that one. E | ||
| Blake |
Matt, "World Championship"? All teams and races are European or British, no? Yes, it is very impressive for the bike to finish the 24 hour race. I think the point that some are making is just that such a VRod based racing machine will never be able to compete well in motorcycle road racing. It's using a big heavy cruiser engine. That ain't bashing the bike or insulting the team of guys who put it together and fielded it. It's just reality. Surely you don't imagine the bike has promise as a competitive racing machine? Kudos and big respect to the team! I bet they had a TON of fun and garnered a BUNCH of publicity. Pretty shrewd, no? I'd be cheering for them. Puppy boy, Dave Estok finished ahead of the two GTU GSXR1000 entries in the CCS endurance race at Road America; the XBRR also bested the GTU ZX10R and YZFR1 entries as well. The results for overall winner don't include the Solo Challenge entries. But Dave and the XBRR did indeed finish ahead of the GSXR1000, at Road America, a high speed track. Steve Crevier also finished ahead of most of the literbikes; he also set a track class record (ASRA Superbike) at Road America, wich is a high speed track. The XBRR was able to outpace the literbikes there, at a high speed track. Get over it. Thanks for the links and info Jens. (Message edited by Blake on August 16, 2006) | ||
| Tommy_k |
Josh, sounds like pretty good numbers. For a bone stock vrod, the Trask and RCC kits are seeing ususally around 160-170rwhp. Of course any kind of disp. or head/cam work is going to go up from there. If you're seeing 200rwhp on a stock engine, reliably, we need to talk. As far as the bike on topic, I'm with Blake...I'd cheer for em too. Neat. TK | ||
| Trojan |
Matt, "World Championship"? All teams and races are European or British, no? As it is sanctioned by the FIM it is as much a World Championship as the Moto GP or World Superbike championship. The fact that most of the teams are European based is purely coincidental. Over the last few years there have been strong Japanese and Chinese teams in the series and also some American riders that have run well. The people at the top of this series are definitely world class and so are the bikes being used. Surely you don't imagine the bike has promise as a competitive racing machine? Yes I do. I'm sure that there are an awful lot of engine and chassis components that can be lightened and tuned yet that will make this bike a lot more competitive. One other thing to bear in mind with this bike is that it is an endurance racer. As such it still carries an alternator and lighting system at least. A lot of them carry the stock starter motor as well to make it easier for riders to restart after a crash. Take the weight of that stuff off and it starts to approach 'normal' Japanese levels of bhp/lbs. The closest bike in principle and layout to this must be the Aprilia RSV1000 and the early variants of that were no lightweights either (416 lbs dry) but were always pretty competitive (and still are at club level). | ||
| Blake |
416 LBs dry is a heck of a lot less than 506 LBs, which is what Jens is saying the thing weighs. Have you ever seen the VRod engine compared to an RSV or Ducati or KTM literbike engine? It is HUGE and HEAVY. How do you make that competitive in a world class series? | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
However you feel about it as a sportbike, I'll say that thing would make a great base for one hell of a sport-tourer. |
