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Suprman12r
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i went to harley/buell today to look at the '06's and tried the clutch and noticed how easy it was. i read in fuell that the new clutch was supposed to be 40% easier to pull in. i talked to parts an said that they can put it on my '04 12r for around $250. the actual clutch kit was only $48 and the rest was labor for the install. has anyone installed one of these on their bike yet and how hard it is?
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99buellx1
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Different clutch spring.

You will need a few specialized tools, but all in all, not that hard.
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Buckinfuell
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow! I didn't know they had made improvements to the clutch. I was just thinking on my ride today how difficult the clutch was to pull in, and I have fairly big hands. It must be a real bitch for the stubby-fingered guys. Anyway, at $48 I will be sure to add this to my list of future mods. I can't imagine it being too difficult, but of course the depends on your level of competence. I would, however, like to hear from those who have actually done this...
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Suprman12r
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i've always thought that the buell's clutch was hard to pull in especially after riding the jap bikes. i'm glad they made the improvement too. my buddy that was w/ me said that it was better then his '03 gsx-r 600. anyways i figured all the kit consisted of was probably softer springs. i'm a guy that likes to do my own work too but always like to get a little input first.
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Jon_s
Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A better approach in my opinion is to install a Muller power clutch. Installation takes no more than fifteen minutes and the effort is still less than the clutch on the 06 bikes. The clutch on my 05 XB12 is as light as any Japanese bike. Why the factory doesn't copy the ball and ramp design from the Muller is beyond me.
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Rr_eater
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I used the Hyd Clutch conversion from American Sport Bike, it too greatly improved the clutch action, though no noted reduction in pull effort. But then, to my XXL wearing hands, the clutch was never that heavy, just very crunchy and inconsistent through its full pull.

Something to think about

Bruce
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Bubabuell
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Rr...

Hows that hyd clutch perform in the daily grind? Is it a smooth engagement or snatchy?
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Kurosawa
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah buddy the Muller is great.
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Tunes
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have an '04 12s... and I've felt the clutch full on the 05's & 06's. I didn't notice any difference between any of them. Is there really a difference? Since I started out on a '76 XLCH, owned a '46 UL, '69 FLH, '72 FXE (I stroked this motor), etc... so I'm used to a heavy clutch pull. However, I wouldn't mind an easier pull. The Muller power clutch sounds like a good place to start.

In reading some of the posts about the CRG levers reducing the clutch pull... is this true? How does this compare to the Muller? Would I gain the same % of clutch pull reduction? I'm serious about the CRG's AND the Muller. Can I purchase just one of these devices and get good results or do I need both... and if I use both, how much gain can I expect? Is it compounded? That would theoretically make this pull light as a feather!
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Jon_s
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The CRG levers don't provide any mechanical advantage. What they do is reduce the span to the lever. For some, having the lever closer to the bar might make things easier though the actual force required would be the same as with the original lever.
I've got both a Muller power clutch and CRG levers on my Firebolt. IMHO, the Muller gives a bigger bang for your buck. The reduction in effort, particularly with a properly lubricated cable, is amazing. I get lots of positive comments from everyone who tries it.
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Tunes
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jon_s - Thank you for answering my questions! Ok, it's the Muller first... then the CRG's when I have the extra bread.
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Rr_eater
Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BUBA

It is SO MUCH nicer in the daily grind as you say. There is no cable on earth, even new, as smooth as this setup. Not snatchy at all, very identical in regards to operation as the stock cable, just WAY smoother.

The magura setup Al at American Sport Bike has put together, along with the Muller I think might almost be too much. One or the other is PLENTY I think, as I have felt/owned both, and to my meat beaters the hyd is the way to go!!

For guys using crossroads and other lowered bars, this may be the way to go as well, as its line is very pliable and easily routed alternative ways to the factory route!!

Bruce
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 04:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buckin, I was just the opposite. I didn't know they had different clutch setup for 06, so when I got my 06 I thought all the magazine reviews were just wimps

It wasn't until I tried an earlier bike that I finally understood.

I figured I would have to have a lot of "alone time" to build up my hand strength for that...
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i did the 06 swap and it really does make a differance. more so on the 9 than the 12 but well worth it. every little bit helps.
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Cliffb
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 02:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can you post the parts needed for the 06 clutch swap or point me in the right direction?
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Xb12rdude
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Who carry's the Muller part for clutch improvement. Thanks
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.americansportbike.com/shop/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F7827572&rnd=6209 929&rrc=N&affl=&cip=69.160.135.44&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=16077&cat=&catstr=
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