| Author | Message | ||
     Josh_ |
BadWeb Rules of Engagement: When posting, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Vulgarity, pornography, flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always and only with respect for the other person. Just because you agree with a position, it doesn't mean a personal attack isn't a personal attack. Just because you don't agree with a position, it doesn't mean comments and observations are personal attacks. Hearsay may not be the root of all evil, but it sure seem to start a lot of ****. what happened to the swear filter? (Message edited by josh_ on February 13, 2006) | ||
| Court |
This is precisely why the status quo suits me. . . "every single anonymous posting is screened and reviewed for authenticity by Badweb custodians. No anonymous posts are allowed unless the poster is verified and otherwise wouldn't be able to post here. "  | ||
| Chainsaw |
Shouldn't that bubble say "Remind me sometime to tell you the story about..."  | ||
| Blake |
Josh, Excellent point. Though not played out publicly for all to see, please rest assured that as in the vast majority of custodial intercessions, BadWeB custodial personnel have properly and professionally addressed the issue. The issue should be dead at this point, on account of we have much more positive things to talk about. | ||
| Court |
>>>>we have much more positive things to talk about. That's an accurate statement! | ||
| Skully |
I think we all should be very cautious when listening to the Anon posters, and in the end we`d be better off without them. Medic - Why would you say that? | ||
| Court |
I'm curious as well. Frankly, I find the statement, based on the fact that you could not possibly know who these folks are, as inflammatory and offered with the sole intent to incite. Please don't mistake what I am saying as excusing some of the nose slapping by some of the nose slapping by anonymous posters, but at least they slapped SOMEBODY and didn't offer up blanket "catch all" dictums. I'd like to hear your logic for eliminating anonymous posters that have been duly cleared by Badweb moderators. This is not an argument. I really want to hear. | ||
| Grndskpr |
When posting, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Vulgarity, pornography, flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. What happens when you use vulgarity normally???? And Court, you actually had Brown hair, wild R | ||
| Crusty |
When posting, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Vulgarity, pornography, flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. I agree. It's much more satisfying to insult somebody to their face. | ||
| Medic_2512 |
I don`t want to say anything else, or next i`ll accused of being terrorist. | ||
| Dbird29 |
This is better.   | ||
| Blake |
Peter, Like I said, I could be wrong, but in my estimation you rarely if ever miss an opportunity to bring the Buell naysaying. But because I'd hate to be unfair to you, and on account of I could be wrong, I did some quick research. Here is just some of the evidence I found...
Am I wrong and you are just a miserable negative naysayer? Or is it possible that you have malicious intentions? I dunno, but I cannot discount the latter. | ||
| Odinbueller |
I think a deep breath and a break is in order here. To answer the original post, yes I believe the Anonymous posts are beneficial, but you have to read the posts. I've spoken to those "in the know", and when I hear them speak, I can pick them out in the Anonymous posts. I always take the info in, and see if it jives with what is going on in Buell in general. If Anonymous posted that in 2007, all XB models would sport an I4 liquid cooled power train, I would take it with a grain of salt, and investigate further. This is an extreme example, but you get the point. For those that seem to think that the Anonymous posts are snippy & badger other BadWebrs, keep in mind that you may not know the entire story behind the relationship between Anonymous & that particular individual. Nothing clouds judgment worse than coming in on a conversation late, and only getting half the story from one side of the involved parties. I'm not defending or condemning the posts, I only don't have enough information or know the relationships that well between everyone on this board to jump to any conclusions. I may ask questions, but only to understand what is going on. I agree there are a lot of Buell haters posting on this board, whether they realize it or not. Those that would tout that they love the marques and then talk about trading in for another brand doesn't speak volumes about their love of Buell, but then again, I dont know the entire story. I only suggest that the faithful read the negative post, and take it for what it is worth. If it sounds goofy, it probably is. Rumors are easy to start, but confirming them is the key here, not "my friend knows a guy who works with a dude who works on Buells and knows that this year..." and taking it as gospel. The key here is that Anonymous is anonymous for a reason. yes, there may be more than one anonymous poster involved, but I have faith that the custodians would ensure that the feature would not be abused by people of an unscrupulous nature. Not to mention that while Buell as a company is small, its parent company, Harley-Davidson, Inc. has pretty strict guidelines on how motor company personnel correspond with the general public and what info can be conveyed. The Anonymous feature allows those in the know to slowly lead us toward what is about to be released. No outright leaks of information, but more like a guide to keep us on track to what Buell is trying to accomplish. Take away the Anonymous feature, and our pipeline to future development is severed. Always scrutinize what Anonymous posts, but remember, they are anonymous for a reason, a reason good enough for the custodians of this site that we all subscribe to. You do not have to believe anonymous, but you also do not have to listen to him or her either if you don't believe them. Chris | ||
| Josh_ |
>Those that would tout that they love the marques and then talk about trading in for another brand doesn't speak volumes about their love of Buell, but then again, I dont know the entire story. differing definitions cause as many problems as spiteful people. I sold two Buells to buy a Yamaha. Does that make me a Buell hater? How about I test rode two XBs and didn't care for either? (They just "feel" too small). How about my buddy John who sold his S3 for a FJR and grips about how The Factory abandoned "our type" of riders? Hater? (a year later he still has the FJR but just picked up an S2. Still a Hater?) Someone in the know repeats a story but gets a detail wrong, or implies an incorrect detail. Someone else repeats said story, passing along said detail and unfortunatly implies yet another incorrect detail. Someone else in the know slams second someone for passing on lies. All hell breaks loose. Did I miss anything? Wasn't that a story line on General Hospital? | ||
| Medic_2512 |
Blake, You have never liked my from the begining for some reason. Maybe its cause i`ve owned over 30 different bike, or cause have 5 different brands of bikes in my garage now and don`t appear to be a pure Buell loyalist, or maybe you just got picked on as a kid. Whatever the reason i`m sorry. The truth is i love all bikes, not just Buells. If that makes you mad, again i`m sorry. I`ve also had quite a few problems with my old X1 and XB12 over the years and from time to time they have given me a few headaches! But i still love riding them and working on them. Now that the appoligies are over, let me do some research of my own on you. GO Buell! | ||
| Sweatmark |
BadWeB's "anonymous" link to Buell's corporate brain trust is a great selling point for me. Why? (1) Gotta love rooting for the underdog, especially for an American sportsbike company swimming upstream against a torrent of Japanese (and eventually Chinese) manufacturers. Is such devotion nationalistic? Sure, but then so's the Olympics! (2) This morning I re-read the '95 Erik Buell interview (http://motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/buellinterview6_95.html) that mentioned the origins of BRAG as "Rider's Advisory Group". It's great to find a mfr. (of any consumer product) that actively solicits, appreciates, and applies customer feedback. (3) I've been a Beemer owner/rider much longer than I've been Buell-ing. The BMW MOA is a fantastic owners' group, with the best single marque "newsletter" magazine I know of, and a valuable ancillary benefit of Beemer ownership. The relationship between BMW Motorrad and riders/owners, OTOH, is rarely evident... it's unfortunate that BMW chooses to interact so seldom with loyal owners. Buell appears to follow a much different path, and I as owner appreciate this fact (or appearance of fact). Mark Oregon | ||
| Jon |
Right on, Mark. The Anony feature is safe and sound. Not going anywhere. Don't be a stranger. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Enough of the in-fighting already! We need to move on and stop ripping on each other. And yes the Anonymous feature is worth it. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Hey Blake, that was hilarious. Don't ever do that to me.  | ||
| Odinbueller |
Hey Josh, I completely understand your point: "I sold two Buells to buy a Yamaha. Does that make me a Buell hater? How about I test rode two XBs and didn't care for either? (They just "feel" too small)." This is an example of again, not knowing the entire story. Some posts just say "I got rid of it because Buell sucks". Like this example, yes, the original XB chassis was not for the larger riders. I wouldn't deem them a hater, just a potential for conversion to an XB12X or XB12Ss. "How about my buddy John who sold his S3 for a FJR and grips about how The Factory abandoned "our type" of riders? Hater? (a year later he still has the FJR but just picked up an S2. Still a Hater?)" I wouldn't call this a hater, just a pissed off customer  . Understandable, and variety is the spice of life as they say. Owning more than one make of vehicle doesn't pit you against the others. "Someone in the know repeats a story but gets a detail wrong, or implies an incorrect detail. Someone else repeats said story, passing along said detail and unfortunatly implies yet another incorrect detail. Someone else in the know slams second someone for passing on lies. All hell breaks loose." I guess you can sum this up as the "Purple Monkey Dishwasher Effect" (Simpsons fans will get this). The eventual slam, though, may or may not be warranted, just don't know the whole story. I haven't seen an inaccurate Anonymous post, but I haven't been on the board that long. I don't think anything was missed, and I could have worded my post differently so that differing opinions are not considered haters. I only reference the obvious "Buell Sucks" posts as haters, that's all. As far as GH, my wife made me watch that while we were dating in college, and have wiped the experience from my memory. Can not confirm or deny the story plot Chris | ||
| Clydeglide |
I agree there are a lot of Buell haters posting on this board, Okay, I'll tell my story. I've been a service manger at some fine dealerships over the years. If something was wrong with a product or service I needed to know. To sweep things under the carpet so you didn't hurt my feelings was ludicrous and an outrage to me. If I don't know what my customer's don't like how can I possibly fix it? So am I a hater because I had a bad experience? Am I a hater when I posted it on a message board and someone took offense? Shouldn't real problems, regardless of how offensive be aired, so they can be resolved? Let's not let Erik know there's an issue. We don't want to offend! Now that's something Erik should lose sleep over! Elsewhere it seems but not here. | ||
| Exupmonkey |
Settle down ladies! Freedom of speech is as important in your country as it is in mine, everyone should have their say regardless of viewpoint and to put things in perspective we are only talking about bikes here! My bike has been a constant pain in the arse since I got it, still love it though, but I think its important that not only is virtues but its pitfalls are aired here. Just my 'two pence' worth | ||
| Blake |
Josh, If at every turn you made it a point to post inflamatory or negative naysaying commentary, then you would fit the same mold as medic. But you don't. He does. Therein lies the HUGE difference. I'm surprised you missed that significant difference. Slam Buell motorcycles every which way possible then always close with "but they look good though." Sorry, I ain't buying it. Clyde, This ain't about you, and your newfound adversarial stance here is VERY disappointing to me. No problem thoughtfully reported here is ever viewed as offensive. If you know of any case where someone aired a problem and was met with anyting other than thoughtful advise, please do show it to me. I defy you to do so. That is not what BadWeB is about. BadWeB is ALL about diagnosing and helping folks resolve issues/problems and yes even helping to bring issues to the attention of the folks who are in a position to take action. That kind of constructive content is encouraged and applauded here, always has been, always will be. Period. But Clyde, please don't confuse that kind of very constructive content with outright negativity, naysaying, passive-aggressive put-downs and other belittling muelings. One type of critical commentary is helpful, productive and incredibly positive in nature and effect, the other is unhelpful, unproductive, and horribly negative/offputting. Surely you can see the difference. Your horrible overgenralizations and sarcasm are not constructive Clyde. No one wants to sweep anything under the carpet. If you know of any specific instance where that kind of attitude has governed here at the direction of board custodians or prominent contributors, please let me know. (Message edited by blake on February 14, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
Monkey, There is no such freedom of speech on BadWeB. That is reserved for the town square. This is a Buell motorcycle enthusiasts' site and content that is intended to belittle and/or deride Buell motorcycles is unwelcome here. There are other web sites that welcome and even thrive on that kind of unfortunate commentary. | ||
| Blake |
As for you Medic, I too enjoy and appreciate a wide range of motorcycles, even cruisers and choppers. It is not your appreciation of other brands or models of motorcycle that offends me, it is your incessant never-ending naysaying. Simply read through your quotes above. You seem to never miss a chance to bash or belittle Buell. When the majority of your posts contain negative, belittling and often inflamatory statements against BMC, Buell dealers, and Buell motorcycles, while then lauding Buell's competition, I have a VERY difficult time not noticing it. I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. I want it to stop. It's that simple. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. If you want to hang around here and prove me wrong, that will be MOST welcome. If you intend to continue on with your incessant;y unconstructive naysaying, belittling, and bashing of things Buell, whether you think the bikes look cool or not, then your welcome will soon be worn out. Your choice. | ||
| Exupmonkey |
Think I'll buy that Aprilia after all!!  | ||
| Blake |
I'd rather have a Ducati. | ||
| Blake |
Or a Beemer R1200GS. | ||
| Grimace308 |
lmfao. after a stint in the infantry and now working construction, i have to double check my posts so i dont talk to you people, like i talk to the rest of the world. i dont understand the anon feature as if you aRENT WILLING to put your name behind something, should it carry any weight? yes, i also understand irony too... | ||
| Odinbueller |
Not sure why specific people are taking offense to a general observation that I made. I never directed anything towards anyone specific, though specific users are quoting me directly. If what I wrote rubs everyone the wrong way, then I sincerely apologize, but it was a general observation. If you feel that I am attacking you in some way, please don't, because that is not why I am here and not what I am about. If this is the way people feel about my posts, then I will reserve my observations for a different forum offline. Again, my apologies to those that I have offended. Chris |
