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Rd350
Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got the replacement side stand put on last week. I haven't heard of a third side stand. You can tell right off that it is different. When you are sitting on the bike and try to pull the stand in to leave you have to reach further to get it.
As for getting it depends on when the dealer ordered them. Some dealers have been really slow.
It also took me going in three times to get them to finally put it on the bike. They keep telling me to come back didn't have time and wouldn't put me on the schedule. It takes all of 10 minutes to change out..
This is why Buell should really look at its dealers.
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"This is why Buell should really look at its dealers."

(Just thought that bears repeating, probably bares repeating as well.)
(Might beer repeating too.)
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Xb9
Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine won't break either, 11,000+ mi.!
I don't pull nice wheelies like Shazam does, though, if anyone could break it, he gets my vote!
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Xb9
Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OEM D207 rear, 3400 mi.
Retail D207 rear, 4600 mi.
I got about 6K out of the front OEM
Your results may vary due to riding habits.
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Sparky
Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Spark plugs can be removed on an XB after removing the airbox, takes about 5 minutes."

You meant "airbox cover", right? You don't have to take the whole airbox off to get to the rear plug.
Sparky
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Xb9
Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You have to remove the air box cover and base.
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Sparky
Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, OK. The svc manual does say to remove the airbox, but that's not necessary. The small triangular opening in the frame allows easy access to the plug wire & plug once you remove the outer cover.

Also per the manual don't forget to use a short piece of hose on the rear plug when hand starting its threads. It's just out of finger reach (unless of course you've removed the airbox).:)
Sparky
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Darthane
Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, I finally got the parts I needed (most of them, anyways) to fix my 'bolt from the dump in NC.

All the broken pieces!
The stick and duct tape held the fairing bracket together...LOL

What a pain in the ass to replace that fairing support bracket. Hoo, boy. And, of course, the damage toll mounted as I removed pieces and could see the extent of the damage. I was removing the bracket and a small, square, silver bit came falling out (it's to the left of the stick in the picture). I looked at it, and said to myself, "Now where on the fairing bracket could THAT have come fr - oh...shit," as I noticed that it was part of the lower triple clamp. ::sigh::

But now it's all back together, and just to be contrary, I switched the positions of the high and low beam lights. Heehee...
All back together!

Bryan
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Paroyboy
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just noticed the exhaust pipe from the back cylinder is starting to "purple" on my XB. Is everyone elses doing the same? Wondering what the Bright Blue Matte ceramic coating from Performance Coatings would look like on the header pipes?
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Paroyboy
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hmmm...upcoming winter project?

possiblities
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Captainplanet
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Paroyboy,

Mine is doing the same. You can clean it off though if it really bothers you. I am not sure the blue ceramic coating will match the blue bike very well. The stuff that ends up looking like polished aluminum is what I was considering getting done by Jet Hot. Maybe the black, I can't decide.

Jeff
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This months (Nov) Cycle World gives yet more press to the Firebolt, and has Don Canet racing both the Bolt and even a dirt tracker blast (page 115). Very cool writeup.

Some gems from the article (Blast related)...

"The Blast tracker's production-based mill retained its standard bore and stroke, yielding 492cc. Power gains are reaped from a 12.5:1 compression pistion and solid-tappet cam actuating titanium valves. Additionally it breathes through a Keihin 41mm carburetor and handmade exhaust..."

"It's a pretty trick setup that also included an M2 Cyclone fork and Penske shocks..."

"After a couple of dreadfully slow sighting laps, I opened the throttle. Boy! This isn't your kid sister's Blast... unless her name is Jennifer Snyder, that is"

And regarding the Firebolt:

(picture caption) "Clean and mean: The Kosco Buell Firebolt is striking even when stripped of its fairing. Note the chain-drive conversion, one of many racing mods".

"Kosco Buell had prepared an XB9R for me to ride alongside its regular rider, local favorite Eric Wood. Team manager Richard Cronrath quickly pointed out the bikes were still in development, the Bloomfield, New Jersey based operation haveing taken delivery of them only a couple of weeks prior to the event"

"While the roles for engine modification are quite liberal, bikes can't exceed 112 rear-wheel horsepower"

"Coming from a successful drag race background, Conrath sees plenty of untapped potential with this engine, but ran into time constraints..."

"The package he whipped together used a modified crank and Fisher Concepts harmonic damper driving an Andrews Products five-speed gearbox through a stock clutch that was fitted with heavier springs. Conrath uses ceramic Barden Precision Bearings throughout and can't say enough about those alone. Millennium Technologies cylinders carry higher compression pistons residing under ported stock heads with larger diameter valves operated by a race cam provided by Buell. Larger injection nozzles are used in unmodified throttle bodies".

And here is a real stunner... so much that I wonder if it must be a typo:

"Even with the limited development time, my bike was making more than 100 foot-pounds of torque at 3000 RPM, with a sweet, easy to manage torque curve".

I will let you get the magazine to see how Canet did (cough-crash-cough).

That torque figure above is what blew me away. How did they get that much torque out of that short stroke oversquare engine? Or if it is the older Pro Thunder engine, how did they wedge it in the Firebolt Frame?

Heck, 100 foot pounds at ANY RPM is a great accomplishment for the even the old sportster engine, much less the oversquare bolt. If it is making 100 foot pound of torque at 3000 RPM, what would that extrapolate to at 7500 RPM (or wherever it redlines)... isn't that something like 120 horses or more? Geesh!

Can you imagine a factory produced XB9R / XB9S producing a reliable 105 horses at the rear wheel, with decent power across the entire RPM band, and selling for around $10k? That would be a SERIOUSLY compelling motorcycle... something that could beat the 600's at their own game (which I never dreamed was possible).
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Quote:

Can you imagine a factory produced XB9R / XB9S producing a reliable 105 horses at the rear wheel, with decent power across the entire RPM band, and selling for around $10k?



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AND....being backed by a heretofore undreamtof level of customer support.
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Blacksix
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Imagine" being the operative word.

I know it would defeat the purpose....but I wish it was just a wee bit bigger (for we folk of larger frame) and carried a bit more horsepower.

Latch Lone Star here in Tyler should have their XB9S in sometime in the next few weeks. Gotta see it. I may feel as though it's too small...but damn is it a nice looking bike.
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Charley
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does anyone know if there are already cams available for the XB9 series ?
"So far i can find ECM's , mufflers, and a bigbore cylinder kit.
Also does any one have the timing numbers of the cams ?

And i'm also looking for the part numbers of the manual and parts catalog of the firebolt

Thanks
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Imagination....Where Dreams Begin

"tis the first step toward a dream"
from my morning walk last Xmas morning.....
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Blacksix
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

when


I have to scan some pics of my New York trip "post" Desert Storm. Very cool town that one.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reep,
Canet was in the saddle at Loudon when Eric Wood won the FUSA Supersport race on a Kosko XB9R. I believe that Don Canet and Dave Estok, both on XB9R's, were both taken out by another rider going down in the first turn. I sure wish they had been able to run the entire race.

While in NJ I had a chance to meet Richard Cronrath at an open house at Kosko HD/Buell. He had the X1 racebike there. All kinds of neat stuff going on. He is a very confident performance engine builder/tuner. I really had a good time talking to him. You should see his breather and oil tank setup. Very interesting.

I had put a deposit on a used '00 M2 at Kosko; if I hadn't found the '97 Cylone on ebay, I would have rode it home to Texas instead. They still send me their bulletins and open house notices. Not sure about the service department there though.
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Csg_Inc
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court You have mail Re: Sidestand update Please post Thanks DAVE
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Harleybritt
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sidestand recall #2,just spoke to my buell mech,he just got back from buell,he said they are going to recall the side stand again.if you dont know me my sidestand broke whilst on the brag meet at deals gap,it was the first recall and only 3 days old.its a piece of crap.its only held on by 2 small spot welds,hope the third one works better....bye the way he said the xb9s will be in 1st of nov.i spoke to buell last week they told me that they are not going to make header pipes at the momment but will leave it for the after market people to make.but he did say they are working on a big bore kit not sure what size...

charlie..nallin raceing make cams and big bore kits for the fire bolt....
did anyone find out about the twin exhaust on that geman bike id love to put that on mine it,s sweeeeeeeeeet!!!
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

application/pdfXB9R Sidestand Update
sidestand.pdf (25 k)
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Csg_Inc
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Court for posting. Should this be moved to the Service Bulletin B-047 posting above? Sorry I was not smart enough to do it myself.
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Mikep
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gentlemen and Ladies,

Regarding removing the idler pully on an XB:

1. Completely remove the rear axle. This allows the rear wheel to move far enough forwards to provide belt slack. The axle center section is necked down, therefore allowing the freedom to remove the idler, so you actually have to pull the axle out far enough to engage the reduced diameter. Pull it out about 3 inches.
2. The actual idler mounting is a tight fit to it’s two threaded mounting studs, and since the studs are steel and the idler bracket is aluminum, galvanic corrosion (the fine white powder) makes it difficult to wiggle the idler assembly off. It makes sense to re-install the idler with either grease or anti-seize on the steel studs to eliminate the corrosion, and the removal difficulty.

Rear Axle

Hope this helps.

mikep
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Mikep
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rear Axle Picture:
Opps! I waited too long to post the picture. Here it is:

Rear Axle

mikep
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Darthane
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mike, you don't need to remove the rear axle...turning it out 15 revolutions provides more than enough slack without worrying about actually taking the axle out.

Bryan
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Csg_Inc
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court

You have mail again Re: More info on Sidestand Safety Recall Campaign. Please post. Thanks DAVE
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Court
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

application/pdfFirebolt XB9R - Sidestand Recall Campaign 0825
sidestand2.pdf (38 k)
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Csg_Inc
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court

Thanks for posting. DAVE
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Ramon
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

man,
i lost about 20 bucks to a co-worker who said there will be a recall of the new buell within 8 months of release in california :(
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still want one though :)
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Court
Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ramon:

Pay the $20 and go on with life. I know at least two (or did know) of the folks on the Buell safety committee and can assure you, that like honesty, it takes more guts to declare a voluntary recall that to sit and hope for an anomoly. BMW should tell the folks, still in denial over the F650 fuel injection, to watch Buell and learn.

Folks tend, for their own comfort, to always point to the potential for legal liability. For a sidestand, that'd take a bit of a stretch, even in our litigous society.

The folks behind this consider many factors, legal issues included. But, unless the composition of the group has changed I also know there is at least one "conscienous" among their number who is genuinely committed to you having the best Buell that can be built.

Look at it this way.....two years ago his confidence in his bet would have exceeded $20.

:)

Court
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