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Uhmeebuh
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hi all -

First time caller, long time listener...

So, ever since the new XBs came out, I've been a fan of their styling, engineering, and concept. But I sent the way of an SV650 and then a 600CC sportbike. The more I ride (~30k miles per year) the less I like inline fours and the more I value torque. So, I'm looking to add a unique fun bike to the stable - and I think I want...NEED...an XB.

So, I stopped by the local Buell dealer (Redwood City Buell in CA) and was treated well but it was obvious I knew more about the bikes than they did. Even the salesperson admitted she wasn't much of a Buell fan. I've been told by a few owners that you need to spend more than a single 10 minute test ride to appreciate a Buell. So I rode a XB12X and an XB12Ss back to back.

So, I hopped on the Ulysses first and took it for a spin. I now get the hoopla for the Ulysses and can understand why people won't like their naughty bits rattled by the big twin. What was obvious was that it made plenty of torque, the mass centralization really works, and the suspension inhales up bumps like Rosie O'Donnel at a bakery. The bike was far more flickable than you'd expect of a bike it's size. However, I just wan't comfortable being up that high (even though I can flat foot the thing). At that point my impression was mediocre.

But I wanted to give them a fair shake so I hopped on the XB12Ss. What a blast (bad pun, I know)! The suspension was impressive, the engine seemed much smoother, fit better, and put a huge smile on my face. NOW I get it! However, I noticed that the extra fuel on the Ss comes at the expense of knee room compared to the regular XB12 and CityX. For that, I wouldn't buy the Ss. I can't wait until the CityX is prepped for a demo.

But I have a few questions for the Buellers here:

- Is it worth it to get the XB12 over the XB9? Their performance difference doesn't seem that significant. Am I wrong? Would I be disappointed with the XB9?

- What's the real world mileage? I know the EPA rating are great but how many miles per gallon do you get on the regular XB (not the Ss)?

- New or used? It seems Buell makes small upgrades each year to address small nit-picks and make the bikes better. Worth it?

- Can you recommend (or tell me to avoid) a San Francisco Bay Area dealer? Is Modesto Buell/Ducati the way to go?

- I usually have to respring my bikes since I weight 240 before gear. It seemed the the XBs are sprung fairly heavy and that I wouldn't need to resping? Any one know the weight recommendations for the XBs?

- It seems that one of the most important caveats to Buell ownership is a proper warm up. Why? And how long is long enough (4 minutes as the dealer recommended?)?

Buells have character compared to my Japanese appliance. I'll still hold onto my sport bike (touring, commuting, etc) but the Buell has character. So, I'm a convert and can't wait for work to stabilize so I can pick up an XB. Thanks for your advice!

(Message edited by uhmeebuh on November 07, 2005)
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

- Is it worth it to get the XB12 over the XB9? Their performance difference doesn't seem that significant. Am I wrong? Would I be disappointed with the XB9?
Many, many opinions on this one. I bought an XB9S after they were released, and am very happy with it. I've ridden an XB12R and liked it's grunt, the term wheelie monster comes to mind. Didn't get to ride the XB12R for a great deal of time so my opinion is probably biased. There are people here that have a lot more seat time on both bikes, and I'm sure they'll chime in. An XB9 is a great bike and has no trouble at all keeping up or setting the pace.
- What's the real world mileage? I know the EPA rating are great but how many miles per gallon do you get on the regular XB (not the Ss)?
On my XB9S I get anywhere for 57 to 61 mpg.
- New or used? It seems Buell makes small upgrades each year to address small nit-picks and make the bikes better. Worth it?
Probably, since the introduction the XB series has had several great upgrades. But, if you find a deal, don't pass it up, I'm really close to 40,000 miles on mine, they're all good bikes.
- It seems that one of the most important caveats to Buell ownership is a proper warm up. Why? And how long is long enough (4 minutes as the dealer recommended?)?
I let mine warm up for a few minutes while I get jacket, helmet, gloves on. It's because it's an air cooled, push rod engine. You just want to make sure all the oil is circulating and starting to warm before you put a load on the engine. So as long as you don't jump on the bike and crank it up and flog it you'll be OK.
Can't answer your other questions, but there are plenty of folks here that'll be glad to help.

Welcome to the BadWeB!
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Blackbelt
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well all i have to say is WELCOME TO THE FOLD! I don't own an XB myself (2002 X-1) Tuber. But i know what you mean about the Buell apeal. I know that the 12 has a bit more Grunt than the 9 (test drove both) and me being 6'2" and 201 i would go with the 12 w/o thinking. I know my X-1 w/ 35,000 miles gets 50-55 MPG on any given day... and i know the XB's are a bit the same if not better. And the warm up can be done while you are riding it. Just start er up, let her idle for a minute (like any other bike out there) and go... although your tires will need to be warm before you tackle any twisties.


If you are gonna buy, might as well get new, and get from Dave S.. in Appleton...he will give ya a kick-azz deal. That is where i am going for my next Buell.
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Fullpower
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

meeba: i am glad you got a couple testrides. the regular XB12 makes a great all around touring-commuting-putting around town bike, only thing it is lacking is room for passengers.

steady legal highway speeds will net 60 miles per gallon. spirited riding will dip as low as 50 miles per gallon. short trips around town can go as low as 48 mpg.
air cooled engines do enjoy a bit of warmup time before they are ridden HARD. much of that warm up can occur while you put in earplugs, zip up your leathers, install helmet, gloves, sunglasses, etc. if your first few miles arent bouncing off the rev limiter you will be just fine. putting through town a minute after the engine was started will not hurt anything, just dont twist its tail while the engine is cold.
Take another test ride. enjoy, dean
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Poplifedc
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just bought an '06 XB12R last week and rode it since Saturday morning.

It is still in the break-in period, but I like it. You do need to let it warm up or it will stall. Also, I found that you have to sit on it while it is warming up. If the bike is not level, or even if it is, the vibration of the idle engine will move the bike around.

I also have the race exhaust and it sounds mean. I went to a local sportbike hangout yesterday. As I rumbled into the parking lot, the bike got looks. When I stopped, folks came over and asked me if I took the muffler off because they didn't see it hanging out the back or on the side. Soon, the education of Buell started.

In all it is different and fun to ride.
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Truk
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I lurked on this board for a very long time learning about the XBs

I purchased a used 03 XB9R with 1,800 miles this past february and now have 11,500 miles on it.

I test rode the 9 as well as 12. I prefer the 9.

I use mine for street/sportbike. I live for the twisties. For me the 9 worked better around town and also worked great in the tight twistie stuff.

I also have an R1.

I let mine warm up while I get my gear on too.

I think the warm-up is important for all those metal parts to expand and seal completely. Have wondered if some of those who speak about oil loss let their bikes warm up.

My engine is stock, I get 48-52 mpg. I think I would get better if I rode it like I drive my truck.

My Smiles per Gallon is a whole lot better than that

I have heli bars, Buell touring seat, CRG levers, Double Bubble, the lower 9s footpegs, Acumen gear indicator. My bike is really comfy
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Typeone
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

some more coins to throw into the mix...

- go with the 12. i'm 170lbs. and still want more HP/TQ although i dont 'need' it ; )
- new. there are great deals out there but you'll know you're getting the latest and greatest machine that YOU own from day 1
- i average 47MPG even with a TFI fattening up the mix and a heavy hand every-time i'm on it
- i've always let her warm up for 5min, maybe 4min in the summer months, then go easy for a mile or two, then the flogging begins. she's happier this way.
- character? oh yeah. get used to EVERYONE coming over and asking WTF is that? looks/sounds badass!

regarding character... latest episode happened just last weekend... out with a buddy who just got a brand-spankin-new Duc Monster Dark... stop at his buddies house to say hello and to show him his new machine, walks out to see the Duc but turns immediately to say 'WOW, is that a Buell, i've never seen one in the flesh but always wanted to'... the XB then proceeds to rule the conversation. heheee. only mention to the Duc was... 'i like the frame' but it was a last-ditch comment to make his buddy feel better i think ; )
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Bumblebee
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The XB12 seems to have more top end power than the 9; although where and how I ride I have not come up short in the power department.

My XB gets 48 to 52 MPG.

Although my '05 is great, I'd go for a new one. You know what you have then.


I got my City-X from Peninsula HD, in Redwood City.
The Sales Staff was pleasant enough, treated me well, and Kim seemed to know quite a bit about the Buell lineup. A test ride was available. The parts department is great! Helpful and friendly. The parts person who has helped me is a Buell fanatic. If it weren't for the service department I'd give PHD the gold star treatment! BUT the service department sucks! The service manager there has a serious attitude problem, and it's not just me others have commented on the same observation. - He hates Buells as far as we can tell.

No need to respring, I weight about the same as you, I didn't need to respring to get it dialed in, and dialed it is. The suspension is wonderful!

As far as warm up goes, I don't. It's fuel injected, I punch the starter, and it starts instantly; within 20 seconds it's ready to go. A 4-minute warm up? Maybe on a carbureted big twin with everything stock, but a Buell? Not required.

It's different and fun.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got 52 on two 260 mile trips, two up. I'v never really paid attention to it while riding alone...
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Milar
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I own an XB12X and XB9S.

>Is it worth it to get the XB12 over the XB9?

IMHO the performance difference isn't large. But it is a different type of performance. The 12 is a torque monster. You gotta spin the 9 to make power. I prefer the 12 for most situations.

>What's the real world mileage?

50'ish on both bikes.

>New or used?

If you trade alot, but used and save money. If you keep bikes 3+ years, buy new.

M
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have an 2003 XB9S with a little over 10,000 miles. I have test ridden all the new models.
My .02¢:

Personally, I just feel the Nines are more fun to ride than the twelves . They are just a little more of a finesse machine. They rev higher, and they are easier to handle at around town speeds. The Twelves have more torque, wheelie easier, ( so I am told - I don't wheelie myself:-). In the twisties, where these bikes live, either bike will keep up with most anything because of the handling: on fast straight, neither one will keep up with your rice burners. Your choice.

I get around 45 mph sport riding, 50 cruising. I don't cruise much:-)

The new bikes shift better, have a better belt, and seem a bit smoother. Get one if money is no object. On the other hand, I feel that used 2003's are just about the best value in motorcycling, and they are a lot less than new ones. All they really need is a new model belt which costs less than $150, and some good tires, as well as one or two dealer upgrades. See the knowledge vault if you get one. These bikes have proven to be very reliable, with some of our members reporting 20 to 40,000 miles with very few problems on the early model XB's.

I am 235# in gear. Didn't really need to respring, but I am doing it because I like messing with my bike. At 240, you will be 265 with full leather, you certainly would be a candidate. Actually what I have found to be more important, especially for bigger guys on the short wheelbase models, is a steering damper. I just fitted a Storz, and I like it alot: settles the whole thing down.

Warm up is no big deal unless it is freezing cold. What I do find is that after stopping for a break after some spirited ridding, it will take the bike's fuel injection a minute or two to readjust to the cooled down motor: no big thing, works fine after a quarter mile or so.

One of the great things about owning a Buell in my opinion is the fellowship of all the riders, and the information that is shared on this board. I don't know of any other brand that is quite like it.
Welcome aboard.
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Spike
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

- Is it worth it to get the XB12 over the XB9? Their performance difference doesn't seem that significant. Am I wrong? Would I be disappointed with the XB9?




That's a tough call. The difference between the two is more about power delivery and characteristics rather than outright performance. Thanks to shorter gearing and a higher redline the 9 is usually able to sit right on the tail of an XB12. It's really about what you want to do with the motor. The 12 lets you be a little more lazy with shifting, just roll on the throttle and you're making good power. The 9 has a more "happy" feeling and likes to be revved more than the 12. I currently own a 12, but I think I would be just as happy ripping around on a 9. Then again, on those lazy rides with a passenger I certainly appreciate the extra low-end grunt of the 12 motor.




quote:

- What's the real world mileage? I know the EPA rating are great but how many miles per gallon do you get on the regular XB (not the Ss)?




On the street under normal conditions I see 42-54mpg, usually averaging in the upper 40s. That being said, my "normal" conditions are a bit harsh. My bike sees the rev limiter at least once every time I ride it. The lowest I've ever seen was at the track, the bike only returned 30some MPG.




quote:

- New or used? It seems Buell makes small upgrades each year to address small nit-picks and make the bikes better. Worth it?




That's a really tough one. I bought mine new, but you can get a really great deal on a used one these days. Also, most of the smaller upgrades can be retrofitted to an earlier XB. At the same time the new features that can't be retrofitted to the older XBs are the most attractive. The better transmission, extra fuel capacity, improved swingarm, and larger forks all make the '06 quite tempting.




quote:

- I usually have to respring my bikes since I weight 240 before gear. It seemed the the XBs are sprung fairly heavy and that I wouldn't need to resping? Any one know the weight recommendations for the XBs?




IIRC the load capacity including fuel and luggage is around 390lbs. I'm 220 without gear and I have preload to spare even with aggressive suspension settings. If you're riding solo you should have no trouble with the stock spring rates. It's not until I carry a passenger that I start wishing for a higher spring rate.




quote:

- It seems that one of the most important caveats to Buell ownership is a proper warm up. Why? And how long is long enough (4 minutes as the dealer recommended?)?




To be fair, a proper warm up should be important for any air-cooled motor, especially one with large jugs like the Buell. My loose standard is to wait until I can feel warmth on the fins at the base of the cylinders. In cold weather this may take 5-10 minutes, but in warm weather I may only give it a minute or two to warm up.



Hope this helps.

Mike L.
'04 XB12R
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Stou
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a XB9SX and realy like it. But I tried the XB12Ss a few weeks ago and I really prefer the Ss. It's more comfortable, more stable and more powerful.

Go for the Ss. If you buy a 9SX, later you will want to change for the 12Ss.... that what I think sometime ; )
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Dagwood
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nope. My SX rules! Short, stocky, streetfighter.
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Ejkokko
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

XB9R is the only way to go... i am 6'0 225lbs... i test drove the xb12R this summer and i found that my bike pulls way better than the xb12r... and thats what I like in a motorcycle, the pulling, not so much the pushing... there isn't a bike in this world i would take over mine... she's the best thing that has ever happened to me...as for gas i prob get around 50-55mpg w/ Amsoil...

XB9R!!!!! you won't regret it...

Kokko
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Cochise
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Depends on what your inseam length is. I am Aboot 5'11" I have owned an '01 X-1, an '04 XB12R, and now an '06 XB12Ss. I haven't even ridden a 9R so I can't tell you if it's better or worse. I don't feel that the more fuel in the frame does much against knee room. It is my understanding that the frame holds more fuel because the removed the snorkel which gave more room in all the fuel tanks, but the length of the bike, even though the swingarm was elongated also, makes more fuel room. I have been wrong before. Anyway, the difference in the 'bolt, and the long is my legs feel much better and I don't have the pain in the wrists, I rode aboot 700 miles over the weekend with only a couple of stretches of the legs while riding as opposed to the 10 times of stretching per 100 mile rides on the 'bolt. A person can get Heli Bars which will help the wrists, a Pegasus Seat and lowered pegs which will help, sort of with the knee pain. THE ONLY THING I don't like aboot the Long, which is probably the same as with the Lightning models, is the wind protection loss, at 120 it beats you to death. There isn't much room for you to drop your head down under the screen. Hope this helps.
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Uhmeebuh
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow! Thanks for all the great responses! I can see that the camaraderie here isn't just something thrown around - and you answered my noob questions (that I probably should have searched for :-).

Sorry - I should have mentioned that I'm only looking for the naked XB models and not the XB-Rs. I want the leverage of the handlebars and most wind protection sucks (regradless of the screen) for me because of my height and refusal to tuck :-)

I need to experience the XB9SX with it's smaller motor, shorter wheelbase, and higher seat. I really expect to fall in love with the CityX.

Cochise - I'm probably wrong about the knee room then! I just noticed when riding the Ss around that my knees kept hitting the front of the cut outs where on the 9SX I had plenty of room. I noticed that I kept sliding forward on the Ss so I'm sure another seat would probably solve that issue.

I was surprised at how heavily sprung the Ss was - I can bottom out most suspensions just by pushing down on the handlebars :-D I need to stop going to the gym...

So mileage looks great and the warm up is about what I do right now - start bike, finish getting gear on, wait a minute, ride away gingerly for the first couple miles.

There are very few used Buells here in San Jose (or anywhere in the Bay Area) so new seems to be the only option. But all the local dealers are charging quite a bit over MSRP. Maybe I need to make a trip to the Mother Land and visit Dave... I hear good things about Modesto Buell and they're only 70 miles away.

Thanks again! I find out in a week if I get brought on permanent at work so I may be getting an XB sooner than I had expected! WooHoo!

(Message edited by uhmeebuh on November 07, 2005)
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Cmm213
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I own a 9s and I also like it accept for wind problems above 90.
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Cataract2
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

- Is it worth it to get the XB12 over the XB9? Their performance difference doesn't seem that significant. Am I wrong? Would I be disappointed with the XB9?

I've test rode both and prefer the 12s low end grunt over the 9's. Mind you I own an XB9SX, I still lust for that 12 engine.

- What's the real world mileage? I know the EPA rating are great but how many miles per gallon do you get on the regular XB (not the Ss)?

On my race kitted 9 I get in the area of 46-50 MPG City and 50-55 MPG highway. Just depends on how I am on the throttle.

- New or used? It seems Buell makes small upgrades each year to address small nit-picks and make the bikes better. Worth it?

I'm a firm believer in getting the newer stuff with the upgrades. Soooo... I would buy new, unless you find a good deal on a used one.


- Can you recommend (or tell me to avoid) a San Francisco Bay Area dealer? Is Modesto Buell/Ducati the way to go?

I live in Florida, so... Sorry, can't comment.

- I usually have to respring my bikes since I weight 240 before gear. It seemed the the XBs are sprung fairly heavy and that I wouldn't need to resping? Any one know the weight recommendations for the XBs?

I weigh 276 lbs and am fine on my XB9SX. Mind you, I'm loosing weight so I might have to readjust my settings soon.

- It seems that one of the most important caveats to Buell ownership is a proper warm up. Why? And how long is long enough (4 minutes as the dealer recommended?)?

What others said. I normally just start my bike as I'm getting my gloves on and ride off. Got 20,000 miles on my bike and have had no problems with using that method.
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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 04:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

- Is it worth it to get the XB12 over the XB9? Their performance difference doesn't seem that significant. Am I wrong? Would I be disappointed with the XB9?

Though I bought the Uly because of its touring and two up capacity, I actually like the 9 motor better. I find myself having to look at the tach so I do not hit the rev limiter on the 12. The 9s extra 700rpm is sweet. The power delivery is smoother and more predictable than the 12.

Now the 12 will lift the front end easier. On Uly, I can not open it up in first without lifting the front tire. You can roll along at 20mph with the clutch out, roll on about half throttle and be airborne.

- What's the real world mileage? I know the EPA rating are great but how many miles per gallon do you get on the regular XB (not the Ss)?

My M2 worst mileage was 34mpg during Bike Week at Daytona in stopped traffic. My best was actually two up riding with the wife at 56mph. Both the Uly and the M2 get about 44mpg riding to work and back. So far the best mileage on the Uly has been 48mpg.

- New or used? It seems Buell makes small upgrades each year to address small nit-picks and make the bikes better. Worth it?

The new transmission is sweet. I really notice the difference now when I ride the M2 because it shifts so poorly in comparison. Is it worth another $3-4k, well probably not, but do not ride the 2006 XBs too much or you will end up paying more.

- Can you recommend (or tell me to avoid) a San Francisco Bay Area dealer? Is Modesto Buell/Ducati the way to go?

Nope, not from that area.

- I usually have to respring my bikes since I weight 240 before gear. It seemed the the XBs are sprung fairly heavy and that I wouldn't need to resping? Any one know the weight recommendations for the XBs?

I weigh probably close to 220# with gear, and know several guys that are bigger than me that have not had any problems. I ride two up allot and I can turn up the preload plus compression and rebound damping to compensate for two people on the bike.

- It seems that one of the most important caveats to Buell ownership is a proper warm up. Why? And how long is long enough (4 minutes as the dealer recommended?)?

They are cold natured bikes, but not that bad. When I jump on either the Uly or the M2, they complain to about the end of my neighborhood, and then they are ready to go.

Happy hunting and welcome aboard. The City X is a great bike. You will like the handle bar deflectors (same as the Uly). On cool mornings they really help keep your hand warm.
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Kowpow225
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Welcome to Badweb!
I've found that my knees also touch on the cutouts in the frame due to my abnormally long legs.
The 9 vs. 12 debate is a personal choice...ride them both. Either way, I think you'll be a happy man.
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Kowpow225
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brandon,
Are you by chance a BOB AND TOM listener?
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Hkwan
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the 12R, love every second when I am on it... except at night. The headlights suck big time.

I am in the Bay Area as well. Live up in the hills of San Mateo so Redwood City HD is relatively close to me.

I would also like to know how that dealership is in terms of service.
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Wsplrll
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Guys -

I am looking at both the XB9s and the XB12s.

As far as reviews on the 9 - I get mixed results.

Here is an exerpt that sums up the usual negatives.

Anyone have any thoughts from day to day experience ?

Thanks

"The reduced capacity of the engine has effectively neutered the engine, stripping its performance portfolio of a majority of its redeeming qualities of low to midrange torque, making it a bad heir to the legacy set before it by the previous generation Buell engines. Although the motor smooths out at 3000 rpm, it doesn't make decent power until 4500 rpm, and then runs out of breath around 6500 rpm, making the trip to the 7500 rpm redline largely wasted time. The heavy crankshaft makes gaining rpm a more leisurely affair than with other sportbikes, or other v-twins, even previous Buell engines for that matter. Engine braking with the heavy crank is rather minimal, so reducing your speed by rolling off the throttle is not as effective as you'd expect. EPA noise and exhaust emissions have likely played a hand in emasculating the Lightning's engine performance. Being an air-cooled, pushrod v-twin in today's environmentally sympathetic society does not make an easy life for the creator's engineers. "

I know I can spend less and get other popular bikes....but I keep coming back to the Buell. I have a Blast and like the experience so far including this group.

Thanks
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here is an exerpt that sums up the usual negatives.
That reads like someone that's used to an I4, that spent 15 minutes on a 9.
I ride mine every day, and if it run outta breath so easy, why do I have no trouble keeping or setting the pace?
Demo the bikes, all of them, wait until the next day or so, and do it again, make up your own mind.
Bet that article came out of Motorcyclist...
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Justice
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you think the XB9 runs out of breath to quickly, then you really don't want an XB12. The rev limiter chokes the fun out at 6800rpm!
I've ridden a 12 and still prefer my XB9R. It's amazing how much difference the higher rev limit makes.
Now if only Buell could squeeze out another 1000rpm...
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Emscityx
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe the new Fuell magazine indicates a change in the shape of the knee cutouts on the Ss.
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Sgthigg
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I suggest when you do decide. To get with Daves. He can get you probaly the best deal out there on a new one. I bought an 05 XB12Scg w/2yr warranty from him for only 1700 more than my local Harley Dealership wanted for a 03 XB9 with no warranty.

Definetly Daves.
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Uhmeebuh
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I certainly had to ride the more than one XB to develop a favorable impression. It's such a departure from the sportbike norm that you need to relearn how to ride the thing. That being said, it'll never have the top end of a liter bike but it's WAY more fun down low where most of us ride.

It's too bad about the Ss leg cutout because I'd love the extra tank range. I currently get ~200 miles/tank on my appliance...

I'd love to buy from DaveS - but is it possible to register here in the Republic of California with less than 7K miles? I think it's not possible with our "unique" DMV.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"then runs out of breath around 6500 rpm, making the trip to the 7500 rpm redline largely wasted time."

That is complete BS. The HP continues to increase right to the rev-limit.

"Being an air-cooled, pushrod v-twin in today's environmentally sympathetic society does not make an easy life for the creator's engineers."

Some folks are just plain ignorant. The one who wrote that statement above sure is. To my knowledge, Buells are the only sport bikes made that meet 2006 and beyond CARB pollution requirments without a catalytic converter.

I'd toss that particular review and look into others. That one is complete crap, ignorant, and just plain out to attack Buell.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Probably started out something like...
I really wanted to like the Buell...
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Spike
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the exerpt above is mostly Bravo Sierra.

It is correct about the 9 lacking the major low end torque and about the motor feeling best above 4500rpm, but bear in mind that by 4500rpm the 9 is making the power that a 600 super-sport won't reach until over 7k rpm and it's making a good 10ft-lbs more than a 600 will make at it's peak. Also, the 9 makes peak power right at redline, completely debunking the idea of it running out of breath at 6500.

To really understand the XB you'll just have to get some seat time on the bike.
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Redster
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have an 05 City X.For around town it's great,twisties,awesome. Unique,YES. You do have to warm it up to get it going right away.Same as mentioned before I have the engine running while putting the plug,helmet and jacket.So far,no problems on mine and I like it.

Redster
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Peanut_man
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I also start the engine and let it run while I put on my gear also. Seems to work ok for me. After only a minute or so I can definitely hear the engine sound changed (less "slappy"??) and I assumed that's when the oil has been circulated to all necessary parts. Having no problem so far. I never wait for more than 2 min however. Unless the weather is exceptionally cold.
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Chiefiron
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 03:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well im glad i started reading this thread. and im really happy to know that so many big guys ride buells. in 03 i rode an XB9 and felt like i was riding a pocket rocket, oh im 6'4 by the way and a solid 250. any way ive been overseas for a few years now letting my Softail sit in storage and am looking for a 06 XB12R. i want a few custom mod both mechanical and cosmetic. i need to find a good dealer and or shop in the Greater Rochester NY area to handle this. any help would be great.
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Tcskeptic
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just a note on Buells and larger gentlemen. I am 6'4" 280lbs. I have an 04 XB12R. The suspension is dialed in with a little breathing room to spare. The only size related mod I have made is to put on the S pegs. This was not necessary for around town driving, but helped on longer trips.

The torque is awesome.
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Bakadoh
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Uhmeebah,

Hey man! If you get a buell we have to hook up. It was great meeting you a few weeks ago (I had the alpinestars knee guards), did you mention that you were going to look at a buell? I know I've talked to three people over on BARF about them.

12 over 9, that's really a personal choice. I like the powerband on the 9 just because of the way I ride. It's a little more gentle (bad word, but all I can come up with).

It took me 5 test rides before I could say something other than "that was interesting" on the XB. Then after 2 hours on my xb9r, I really liked the bike (apart from the look, design, etc), how it handled.

Hey maybe you and I should head up to fulsom HD/buell. Last time I remember, that was the only buell dealer "near" us that actually gave floor space to buells (not just a corner with a dusty banner)... hopefully it hasn't changed much. They actually "gasp" had buell gear there!

Hey start trolling the sacto craigslist... I got my '03 xb9r for $5K - with 5 seconds of haggling (if you could call it that). The bay area used buells seem really high.
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Shanedizzle
Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bought my 2003 XB9S brand new from Folsom HD/Buell in July, 2004. Jay was my salesman, and he & the rest of the staff are very knowledgeable about their Buells.

They not only have a big section of floor space in the back (by the parts desk) for Buells, but they also have some floor space in the front (by the main entrance) for Buells their too. The last time I was there, they had at least 1 of each XB model on the sales floor.

They have a 9S & a 12R for test drive, and the route they give you is a good one with some small in-town twisties, a huge freeway on-ramp that you can pick up a lot of speed on, and some good straight-aways too.

They also have a bunch of Buell accessories in the dealership, and their parts department staff are very friendly & knowledgeable about Buell parts/accessories. Also, their mechanics are really nice & they know a lot about the Buells too.

Uhmeebah, check the Buell.com website often. When I bought my bike, there was a special that was $0 down, & 0% interest for 90 days, that I found on the website. I did my shopping on the phone & Jay had my bike prepped and ready to go by the time I arrived at the dealership, signed my paperwork, and I was done without any hassles.

I love my 9S, and so do all my rice-rocket friends. They're always begging to take my bike up to carve the mountains with it. It's such a great bike! Some of my friends have already talked about trading in their I4's for Buells.
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Snowhownd
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

<<Brandon, >>
<<Are you by chance a BOB AND TOM listener?>>

Thanks Mr. Obvious, your a REAL lifesaver!!!!!!
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