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Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 04:59 pm: | 
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Mikep not 130 hp crank its 130 hp tire. S&S has told my brother this and frankly I was standing there when the company President Brett Smith told my brother this this past year at the Milwaukee Hog Rally at the State Fair here in Wisconsin this year.Funny thing is his bike is almost identical to my brothers in color and features.But like you said its the weight of the bike and all that makes me question whether its faster or not. |
Gentleman_jon
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:06 pm: |
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but it is "mission weight " that matters.
"Mission weight" includes vehicle, pilot, ammo.
Let's start out with the actual wet weight of the 12 which would be about 450 lbs. Don't know pilot weight, but it is an important element in this equation, because it is the same order of magnitude as the vehicle.
( I wouldn't be the one to point out that to the casual observer, the pilot weight on a Harley often seems to be greater than that of the typical Buell Pilot:-). |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:11 pm: |
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Gentleman jon he actually weighs about 190 and I'm about 209.So 10 to maybe 15 lbs. I weigh more. |
Mrvvrroomm
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:53 pm: |
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Put the rubber to the pavement bro. Put the bench racing to rest and race 'im!
Let us know.
My bet, XB by a nose. LOL |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:57 pm: |
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Soon as he get the hours on it and miles it'll happen.The way it sits right now it won't let him go over like 3500 rpm's with out the ecm cutting the motor out.He has to have 8 solid hours on it before the ignition automatically lets him rev it ti redline.Wild hey??
(Message edited by bads1 on November 03, 2005) |
Gentleman_jon
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:02 pm: |
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I'm putting my two bits down on the twelve.
Dunno why:-) |
Dagwood
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:13 pm: |
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This thing might beat you both...
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Pammy
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:23 pm: |
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XB=639lbs(bike and rider) @ 93rwhp in theory, would run 11.07 @ 120.99mph.
FLHR=890lbs(bike and rider) @ 130rwhp, in theory, would run 11.06 @ 121.14
All other variables are laid aside for this scenerio and there are MANY, MANY, variables. |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:23 pm: |
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The new Boulavard?? I doubt it would beat either 123 crank HP.According to the artical I just read not but 20 minutes ago in Cycle word.Nice looking bike though. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 07:54 pm: |
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hey redrocker what planet did you weigh an XB12 on? here at latitude 59 degree north, planet earth mine weighs 452pounds. mine also has a 52 inch wheelbase, and the average hotrod sportster will pull several bike lengths ahead for the first 3 gears. start catching up in 4th, and then hit revlimit in fifth, and my game is over at around 135. a big inch bike with a long wheel base will just plain RUN AWAY from you in a straight line. |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:16 pm: |
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Thanks Pammy.Looking at what he has done and what my bike is,weight to HP ratio I kinda thought they could be close.It probably come down to rider.
Fullpower I have ridden several big twin customs.And have played with a couple.Don't think for a second that they would run away from you. |
Redrocker
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:43 pm: |
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Fullpower, No scales just spec info and your probably right when it comes to wet weight. I can't really comment on a "average hotrod sportster" because I haven't raced one. I did own one about 10 years ago and my buttdyno tells me that my xb12 would have smoked it, but that's hardly a scientific assessment on my part. The XL1200C weighs almost 200lbs less than the Road King, and depending on the power output of the sporty it may in fact be a closer race. It's all just bench racin'anyways until he runs his brother. |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:52 pm: |
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Also helps that Pammy and Wes... which has seen and built this very motor probably more then once can comment on this motor from experience.BadWeb is great.Actually I haven't bench raced with my brother at all.Just letting him pour it on thick and then we'll find out some time in the future.If he wins he wins if he doesn't he doesn't but he will quiet down some.There is motor mods in the near future with www.revperf.com soon.
(Message edited by bads1 on November 03, 2005) |
Thin_air
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 10:39 pm: |
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I have a Electraglide Standard with 10K$ motor / drivetrain work. I also have a 12S with race ecm, D&D, K&N. You better practice your launches and hope its in the twisties. My 'Glide is a beast off the line. Both have about the same top speed. You might be able to get him in 4th or 5th gear if you wind the Buell out.
Don't bet more than lunch, good luck you're gonna need it.
Ed |
Cyko_bob
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 08:35 am: |
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Thin Air...by drive train work on your bike, do you mean you have an overdrive 6th gear (and obviously an engine to pull it also)? You said top speed was about the same for your Glide and the XB.
Thanks for the info...Cyko Bob |
Pammy
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 08:56 am: |
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Hey all, I didn't look up weights of the bikes(or riders) I just made a hit and run post based on the weights and HP #'s posted on this thread. |
Thin_air
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 02:31 pm: |
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Cyko,
Motor work being 103" HTCC CNC Screaming Eagle heads 251 cams, re worked ported polished efi and intake bla bla.. It makes 105 hp and 102 ft. lbs. torque on paper at 5000' elevation.
No six speed. On the contrary it has been re-geared on the compensating sprocket. I went from a 26 tooth to a 25 tooth that essentially lowers the gear ratio thru out all gears including final drive. Other work includes a hydraulic clutch, Screaming Eagle clutch basket, heavy springs. I do have plans of dropping in a Baker 6 speed this winter.
Ever see a over 1000 lbs. of bike and rider doing a flaming burnout and wheelie at the same time?
Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but I have fun.
Oh, BTW not a single stitch of chrome added or other bolt on doo-dads. If it doesn't make it go fast or stop faster it aint there. 14000 HARD miles without any problems. On third front and 5th rear tire.
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Mikep
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:08 pm: |
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Dana P.,
New calculation based on tire hp:
'97 Road King = (700 + 190)lbs /130 hp tire = 6.85 lbs/hp
'05 XB12 = (425 + 209)lbs /93 hp tire = 6.82 lbs/hp
Ooohhh . . . close ! ! ! |
Black_sunshine
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 06:41 pm: |
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If your looking for weights and HP just take a look at this thread...Dyno Drags at SMHD/Buell.
We all (3%ers) raced this weekend with some interesting numbers. I am 160lbs and me + bike = 584. That puts my XB9S at 424lbs and I ran with 87.6 hp
That's 4.84hp per lb.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/157692.html?1131366161 |
M2nc
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 07:19 pm: |
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There is a guy at work that has a Road King he says has 140hp to the rear wheel. Some guys at work started to prod him to race me on the M2. Some comments were made my way and I just replied, he may get ahead of me on a straightaway, but God help him on the first turn. It was never mentioned to me again.
Who cares if he can get you at the Drag Strip. Out on the street you will get passed him. The R flat out does everything else so much better that his lead will be a fleeting moment and then he gets to see you pass him. As he looks at the back of the R pulling away fast, he can remember how much money he has in his bike.
Anymore, I will not even ride spiritedly around guys on Harleys because they too often wipe out or have close calls. I do this to protect them because they really just do not understand how much better a Buell is through the curves.
So those of you on the biggest and baddest Harleys, stay on the strip and remember that if you are on the street, you are still riding a 800# gorilla with poor brakes and handling. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 07:47 pm: |
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Along the lines of what Black_sunshine was saying.
My XB9S smoked all but one or two of the V-rods.
This of course was with it tied down on a dyno.
I could never launch my bike the way I did on the dyno and live to tell the tale.
Sure was a fun day though. |
1313
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 08:05 pm: |
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Anymore, I will not even ride spiritedly around guys on Harleys because they too often wipe out or have close calls. I do this to protect them because they really just do not understand how much better a Buell is through the curves.
This must have started after that incident with the goofball on a V-Rod wearing the German chopper helmet (which caught air and tried lifting me off the bike at 90 MPH), right?
1313 |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 09:11 pm: |
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Ohhhhh do tell us more about this 1313... |
Thin_air
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 09:18 pm: |
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Whats REALLY important in my book is the grin factor. My XB's wins that race hands down. If I had to keep just one it would be really tough. |
Buellshyter
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 09:21 pm: |
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M2nc, if you put 10k into your Buell you too could be putting out 140Hp |
Black_sunshine
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 09:31 pm: |
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I dyno-draged my Dad on his '99 Screaming Eagle Road King (1550cc)and beat him by over a sec twice in a row. He is no novice either. Like GLich said...we were tied down though.
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Mesafirebolt
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 10:45 pm: |
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Well, my .02, my friend and I were on our way home ( I was on my hawk 650gt and dont know the power) and he (98 fatboy with screamin eagle pipes) tried to run away, the hawk WAS closing rather quickly when he saw me and slowed down...like I said, just .02 |
M2nc
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 03:54 am: |
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1313,
I have to admit, I thought to myself, who is this guy on this Harley that keeps trying to catch me down this twisty road? I'd roll into it, get away, then here he come again. After going through the right hand sweeper at 115mph leaned over hard, I thought for sure that would be the last time I'd see him. Then I got caught in traffic. There he was again, that "goofball" in the German Helmet on a Vrod with plained off radiator shroud.
Hey, we all have weak moments. I never would of thought a guy on a Harley would be so persistent down Brices Creek Rd against a Buell. I should of known it was just another Bueller slumming.
"10K into your M2 and you could have 140hp too."
It's called my Uly, and now they really do not want any part of me because I call it a dirt bike. I do not think their ego could take being out run by a dirt bike!  |
Jarhead
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 08:42 pm: |
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From personal exp...
Our Track in Ga was 1/8 mile...i was posting 92-96mph (xb12r bone stock)depending on how well I kept the front end down.(I forget the times) Dudes with the big inch twins would pass me about mid track and finish at over 100mph. My hardtail finished at about 101.
The Difference. 1. On the hardtail I dont have to worry about the front end comming up. 2. That tall second gear really lets the 100+torq and hp strut. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 09:39 pm: |
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Eh, my rule of thumb (which got me to stop trying to get more and more power and just enjoy the damn ride) is there's always someone faster out there.
Anyways, I still plan to go to the dyno drags at Space Coast HD Palm Bay grand opening just to beat up on some Harley guys there. |
Mikep
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 10:28 am: |
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Pammy and I think this will be quite close, . . . so go out and race! We all want to know.
mikeyp |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 01:19 pm: |
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Mike actually so do I. |
Kowpow225
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 05:52 pm: |
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I'm rooting for you man. I think it'll really boil down to the launch. How high does his rev? That'll be another big factor in this race. |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 06:06 pm: |
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Big twins don't really rev high per say.What I think....my brother can't launch it because he doesn't know what he has and what to do with it.LOL But if he did that could be my problem.Getting out of the hole is going to mean alot. |
Thin_air
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 06:40 pm: |
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get him on a rolling start and it will be really close |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 07:22 pm: |
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Getting out of the hole is going to mean alot.
Just lean way forward over the handle bars.
Don't take hints from Looper Shred! |
Mikep
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:14 am: |
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Yikes! I just realized that you are in WI. Its cold out here! Maybe that race will have to wait until Spring.
mikeyp |
