| Author | Message | ||
     Surveyor |
Blake, can I take it that we can resume posting XB related technical threads on the X(B)board? I'm afraid there seems to little or no response to posts on the KV. I understand where you are coming from but it seems to be a case of risking your wrath in order to get some technical help on this board or being a good member by posting on the KV.....but getting no help. Hobsons choice don't you think? | ||
| Firewhirl |
I'm with you. I saw the web site admin post about it. Wonder why no one is listening to them. As far as I know you are suppose to post XB related stuff in the KV. I have to guess or figure what model people are talking about in their threads. XB, S3, etc, etc If it is not clear I don't bother replying anymore if it is technical related. | ||
| Truk |
I agree | ||
| Mountainrider |
The KV might work better if it was broke down into different bike groups like the forum. If you ride an XB it is so easy just to post your questions here and then most everyone will check it out. | ||
| Buellin_ri |
Mountainrider had a good idea. A KV vault with different sections for each bike (xb, tubers, blast). | ||
| Johnb |
just an opinion, i think blake would prefer if everyone with a technical type question/topic create a clearly defined subject thread in the appropriate section of the KV; and then, create an identical thread in the XBoard with a link to that KV thread asking everyone to respond there. As convenient as it is for everyone surfing/posting to the XBoard - all responses/info/solutions get lost to the XBoard archives. The KV is potentially a good way to try to organize things as an indexed reference archive. Also, if the KV was categorized strictly by bike model, we could lose the evolutionary common engineering shared by all buells. | ||
| Blake |
No need to create an identical thread in the XBoard. Just title the thread and put it in the KV. Still LOTS of commonality between different models, even the old tube framers. Was hoping folks would cooperate. Seems too much to ask for some. Was hoping everyone would help out. Seems too much to ask for some. If I get a chance I'll simply start the whole effort over again, keep it going and after a week or two those who refuse to help out will simply have their KV type threads moved without warning. I am one major stubborn •••. Trust me on this.  | ||
| Mountainrider |
Looks to me like if we put everything in the KV there would be nothing to post on the XB. Like now most of the threads would be in the KV. Why not let people post their questions and solutions here and after it is over and done with then put it in the KV. I am not trying to cause a problem but sometimes change is good. In 54 years I have had to make a lot of changes and expect to have a lot more. This is the best place on the web to talk Buells and I will go along with what ever Blake decides. | ||
| Glitch |
If no response to your question is to be had in the KV, simply post a link to your question here in the XBoard. | ||
| Pcmodeler |
My complaint about the KV is that people go there to GET answers to problems. No one really goes there looking to PROVIDE answers to problems. It's not like folks are hopping into the KV and saying "Who can I help today?" Too me, it's much better to be able to post a problem in the XB board, etc. because more folks are going to see the question and may just have an answer to provide. | ||
| Dave |
It appears the tendency is to gravitate towards the model Buell main title and post there. I'm guilty of being sucked into this too. Much like you'd buy a maintenance manual for a new XB12X and not a manual for All Buells. Remove the topic of "XBoard" and "Big Bad & Dirty" and the problem may just cure itself. Folks will be forced to post into GDB, KV, etc. Until then...it will be an unending effort to move stuff to the KV where the valuable stuff is kept. DAve | ||
| Dago |
+1 Pcmodeler | ||
| Edmbueller |
I have a suggestion which I have been thinking about for a little while now. I totally agree with above that it is easy to use the KV for info, but it seems to be more of a resource tool. What about posting "how-to" topics within the KV for most of the common questions / issues? For example...topics could be something like this: how to: 1) De-snork 2) Change Oil 3) change a tire etc... This may provide easier / faster reference material for he common problems...then when someone (usually a new to bueller) experiences trouble or has questions we can just refer them to the KV. I think this would eliminate a lot of duplicate topics/posts in the KV and streamline it a little... any thoughts?? | ||
| Surveyor |
Blake, given the level and type of responses to this and other threads on the KV isn't your ultimatum a little rigid? This is a great site and I'm sure it can respond to needs of it's members? | ||
| Brotherbuell |
Blake, I managed the "Lessons Learned" (read KV) activity for a large aerospace and defense company. The most important, and painful, lesson that I learned was that separating the LL activity from the natural flow of information is a recipe for failure. We have a terrific search function on this forum. Let the knowledge of the forum collect where it naturally wants to collect and let the search function do what it does so well. The energy and wisdom of this board is remarkable and its providing important feedback to you. | ||
| Dave |
...I may be mistaken but I believe that part of the equation is that only certain topics are archived. DAve | ||
| Cadzilla |
+1 Pcmodeler +1 Surveyor | ||
| Ronlv |
i think it should be what the users want, not what you want to force on them. havent you heard that the customer is always right or that the customer writes your pay check when people learn to listen to there customers(members, clients, etc.) they will have much more success. i have to deal with this in business everyday, and i have learned that taking care of the customer is key. no matter how stubborn a person is they cannot rule by a iron fist and succeed for long. what if our government decided to rule this way? | ||
| 2hogs |
Hummm, I check the KV if I have a specific thing I'm interested in or wondering about. I don't spend hours pouring thru it and don't really use the search tool unless I have alot of time to go thru the threads it returns. I just browse the area I think the thread would be in and if something seems like it matches what I'm looking for -- I read the thread. That said I don't see how you can complain if you aren't spending money to support the site or helping support the site in some way. My 0.02 | ||
| Ronlv |
our buying of sponsers products is money spent supporting the site | ||
| Dave |
Send Blake a check as a customer then negotiate a service level agreement or terms. DAve | ||
| Mdm |
IMO the KV interface is clunky, the main topic titles are too cutsie (and the fonts, ug ?) to figure out what bike should be talked about where so the XB board is the melting pot. The forum index on sport twin is better but there is no content as everyone hangs out here. Start forcing people to put stuff where they cant find it easily, the content on sport twin may grow... my 2cents, do i get kicked out now. Hey shouldn’t this all be in the 'Suggestions for a Better BadWeB' part. NO SOUP FOR YOU | ||
| Pammy |
Just who can I help today?....and those of you who may be beyond help, Please form a line, single file please, to the rear...  | ||
| Poplifedc |
The XB board is the only place I check since I now have an XB. Sure there might be similar with the other models, but during the brain storming process of trying to solve a problem with an XB, I think this is the best place. | ||
| 2hogs |
Oh I see now. Blake is getting kick backs from the sponsors? Or are they just getting effective advertising due to this boards focused interest group? All the replies here and only 1 with a suggestion to help the problem and none offering assistance with maintenance, policing, etc. It's easy to complain and quite a bit harder to help find a solution. Again my just my opinion. That said, I think Edmbueller provided a spark, a 'how to' section in KV. A thread like 'oil change' could then be subdivided for XB, tubers (I have no knowledge of tube frame Buells, so I'm not even sure they share a common oil change procedure), etc -- you get the idea. Blake, Don't shoot me I know some JAVA and a little HTML, but can't imagine how much work would be involved in doing such things :-) Cheers | ||
| Buellshyter |
The problem with the KV is I can't visually surf it like I can with the XB board. There have been many times I've come across problems I wasn't even thinking about or aware of. | ||
| Spatten1 |
+1 Pcmodeler +1 Surveyor It just seemed a lot more fun before, and people were much more active in helping each other. It is just much more user friendly and fun to scan the XBoard for XB issues. I know I tried to help people much more often before. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Now that I think about it, I don't even look at the site half as much now, because it is just too much of a hassle to look for all of the various technical topics. Also, the topics don't seem to get much contribution from other users when you do check them out. | ||
| Surveyor |
If I understand it correctly the KV is intended to act as the definitive source of technical knowledge. However this presumes that there is some objective assessment of the quality of the data posted there and this is not the case, there is no quality control on KV postings just as is the case on XBoard postings...so what is the difference? Just because someone posts advice on the KV doesn't make that advice any more valuable or valid then anything posted on the XBoard. I suggest that ALL XB related data should be posted on the XBoard and only the best and most valuable data is transfered onto the KV, that way we will all know that the KV is the place to go for the best information. I would propose that no one could post directly to the KV and that our Moderators would decide which posts that are of sufficient merit to be be awarded the honour of being displayed in the KV....a sort of Hall of Fame if you like. I realise that this means more work for the moderators but think of the value of a KV where only the very best of information is available. Also let's not forget that the reason this site is so damn good is that the likes of Blake run it so well so lets trust Blake and his crew to sort this out. Just my 2cents worth. | ||
| Ronlv |
kickbacks = sponsers pay to be sponsers i agree with spatten1 it was alot more fun before it has been going down hill lately (i know because of complainers like me  |
