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     Spike |
I think the thread has completely missed answering the original question. The original question was asking if a 9R would give a Corvette a run for it's money. According to Motor Trend a new C6 Corvette will run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 113mph. According to Motorcycle Online a 9R will run the 1/4 mile in 11.86 seconds at 115mph. Clearly, the 9R is more than capable of giving the 'vette a run for it's money. You could argue that the average street rider can't launch like the guys at MO, but it's just as likely that the average Corvette owner can't launch like the guys at Motor Trend. On the other hand, consider the top speeds of the two vehicles. The Corvette is good for ~185mph, the 9R will only do about ~135mph. As speeds increase the 9R's acceleration advantage will decrease. If you started an impromptu drag race from highway speeds the corvette would likely hang right on to the 9R and begin pulling away before long. Handling between the two will be completely subjective. Both are likely to have similar traction at the limit, neither is likely to have an operator who is capable of reaching that limit. It'll depend on the drivers. | ||
| Eexb |
"Heres the car that I have been in and yes its extreme but it will dust the bikes out there." Dana, Really, what lap time does that taxi cab run at RA ??? The AMA 1000cc bikes run 2:15s at RA and the (stock) 600cc supersports run low 2:20s. I've raced in many nationals and several SCCA Transams at RA and MOST tube frame V-8 GT-1 cars don't run under 2:20. I hardly think that 3200lb stock bodied stang would "dust" most bikes !!! EE (Message edited by eexb on September 03, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
"Have m1 look up various lap times and he will see cars are faster than bikes on the track." We were talking about Canyon's dude... don't put words in my mouth. I'm fully aware of what cars and bikes are capable of both on and off the track. Maybe you don't understand that we were talking about canyon runs and staying on our side of the road? This gives the bike about 10' to move around on and it gives the car about 2'. This means that the corner that we're taking is a lot sharper in a car  . Yes, on a racetrack it's different, but when confined to one lane like you would be in a canyon (unless you wanna get stupid) the bike will toast just about any car given a tight canyon road (like The Dragon, The Spars and about 90% of The Devil's Highway). Sweepers... yeah, the cars have the advantage. That's a nice Mustang Dana (and I'm a Mustang fan I assure you ), but do you really think it'll pull ~1.6 G's? An '05 Viper Comp. Coupe will pull what 1.3-1.4 with race slicks? 1.8 spikes maybe? Stay on your own side of the double-yellow... As a Reference - I've heard it was claimed by Chevy at the unveiling of the '06 Z06 that it will pull 1.05-1.1 G's with it's stock configuration. That's right about what bikes are capable of on modern street tires. The Vette still needs to make a sharper turn though. | ||
| Wind_eater |
Hayden ran a 2:09 at road america. Indy style cars run it in the 1:39 range. GTS class has at least 1 vette running 2:01's. | ||
| Eexb |
Hayden ran a 2:09 at road america. Indy style cars run it in the 1:39 range. GTS class has at least 1 vette running 2:01's. Which Hayden are you talking about - Roger & Tommy run AMA Supersport and RA laps are 2:20 "Indy Style" cars cost $300,000 - NOT A FAR COMPARISON The "GTS" Vettes are also HIGH dollar cars (sponsored by GM). I'm talking about "common" SCCA V-8 racecars, (most costing MUCH MORE than a fast bike) do NOT run laps faster than many "near" stock MCs. EE | ||
| Wind_eater |
Nicky in 2002 ran the 2:09 along with Mladin. | ||
| M1combat |
Neat... And F1 is 30 seconds faster than Moto GP. The topic being discussed was canyon roads and reasonably stock vehicles. | ||
| Eexb |
"Nicky in 2002 ran the 2:09 along with Mladin." Funny, this year (2005) they ran slower ??? 1 - 2:12.554 109.857 Mathew Mladin 2 - 2:13.345 109.205 Ben Spies 3 - 2:14.235 108.481 Aaron W Yates 4 - 2:14.390 108.356 Miguel Duhamel 5 - 2:14.670 108.131 Eric Bostrom Wonder why ??? EE | ||
| Eexb |
M1, "The topic being discussed was canyon roads and reasonably stock vehicles." You're right, thread has gotten way off base. It's funny how many "stories" become fact after about 20 posts !!! The fact remains that a good rider on a fast (production) bike will clean-up on most automobiles on roads like the Dragon. Sure, there's dozens of "stories" about "my friend's badass car", or "I heard about this turbo whatever", BUT most of those are "folklore". I can vouch for my own track experience that production bikes kick the crap out of production type cars. It's usually the "wanna be's" with the "ghetto racer" look that think they are "bad •••". How many people do you know that have a car that will wipe up on an '05 GSXR-1000 stop light to stop light or on tight back roads ??? EE} | ||
| Blake |
No way any off-the-lot sports car can hang with a sport bike in the twisty stuff. Not even close. I've ridden lazily behind Vettes and Mustangs and Camaros and such through the twisty stuff; while they are pushing the limit, squealing their tires and drifting through the turns, I'm one-handing it scratching myself from boredom. | ||
| Dana P. |
Eexb the car is all fiberglass number one and is not on a stock frame.Dave runs it maybe once to twice a year.It runs 2:22 et's.The car is clocked at 164 mph on the front straight.Why should I lie.Now you are comparing pro riders to a weekend type driver that is really good.   M1 you said something about a motor 6 inches back.The intake,fuel injection and aircleaner are hand made by him.To go out in this thing is just amazing experience. | ||
| Eexb |
Dana, "the car is all fiberglass number one and is not on a stock frame.Dave runs it maybe once to twice a year.It runs 2:22 et's.The car is clocked at 164 mph on the front straight" I have no doubt your friend has put his heart and soul into his "baby", but you can talk about mods all day - the fact remains that car is a "rolling brick" with more frontal area than a Mack truck, the suspension may not be "stock", but it's a unibody car with stock "type" suspension and likely street car type brakes, wheel well clearance, wheel width and etc. The car has 2 seats and likely a stock floorpan and etc. You can show/tell engine "mods" all day, but w/o a dyno sheet to reveal HP, I'm betting than even with "injection", the HP is under 600. In a 3000 plus car, 600 HP isn't going to best Transam car times at RA. "To go out in this thing is just amazing experience." I'll bet it is, but what do you have to compare it to ??? Have you been around RA in several cars, do you know what a "real" racecar feels like ??? Your buddy has a nice car, but comparing a modded up street car to a purpose built racecar is not comparing apples to apples and w/o knowing what other road race cars can do, you're just "talking". I'm betting a near stock 600 race bike and most purpose built V-8 race cars could go home with your pal's "pink slip" in a grudge match at any road course. Not to be a "wise guy", but I've raced MANY seasons of SCCA competition and have raced at Elkhart, you don't "casually" run out there "once a year" and crack off a 2:22. That would be right in the middle of the GT-1 field at the June Sprints and I hardly thing a 2 decade old Stang, w/ a near stock body and etc is up to that. Even w/ a heavily modded motor, aero body mods, and etc. EE | ||
| Dana P. |
EE the car is close to 800 hp.Brakes are I know are Wilwwood with 13 inch rotors.Suspension is not stock.Nothing you'd see in a Ford.The Motor was from a Nascar.Rear end I know not much about but its Road racing specific.The car has a second seat because he had have it in when he had the car inspected at Road America and get his certification.I don't underestimate your knowledge but what you know of this car is nothing and you are very wrong.This car has approximately 85 grand into it and thats with out the labor time that he has into building it.Does that sound like a factory based car??The times are what I have seen.BTW that is not a 302 or a 351 your looking at.Its a Nascar motor.Not sure what changes were done to it but that is what its from and then redone. | ||
| Eexb |
Dana, I give up - you're right !!! More HP than most any modern V-8 roadrace car out there, value equal to a current Transam racer, etc etc etc. Still looks like a taxicab with (mostly) stock body panels, windows, firewall, inner fenders and etc. Don't know of ANY sanctioning body that requires an "instructor's seat, but I've only held an SCCA national competition license for 30 years - what would I know. Your buddy should get out and race that thing - if it's that fast, there's lots of $$$ to be won. EE | ||
| Vaxb |
Dana, Nice car, Just wondering what the spot light on the "A" pillars are for? | ||
| Wiegs |
As far as bikes running slower on the track these days, didn't they recently (last couple years) add what's called "the bend" to "the kink" for motorcycle races? I believe it was specifically to slow that corner down for bikes... *shrug* | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
i know its not a buell and it was just from stop light to stop light but i blew the doors off on my buddys c5 vette on my ninja zx9r if that counts | ||
| Yohinan |
Ok, here is my story. And this is first hand because the car is mine. I have an 87 Olds 442 w/a built 461 Big Block Olds. I am a lot faster than most on bikes when it comes to straight line performance. The suspension is in the process of build right now and when finished will also beat most bikes in the twisties however, put a built bike with a rider that knows what the hell he is doing and he will beat me. Most of the time though I dont find riders competent enough that can ride well enough on their bikes. Take an average driver and stick him in my car and they will problably get dusted by bikes all day long. Most of the time it comes down to who knows how the hell to drive and who doesnt. If I were to say who was faster the corvette or the bike I would put my money on who had more experience with actually competition driving and not the one who knows how to drive on the street. My .02 for what ever it is worth. John | ||
| Doughnut |
I beat a S-10 pick-up with my S2 today.  | ||
| M1combat |
It looks like that would be a car that would give a squirter/squid a good run for it's money through a canyon. I doubt it'll pull 1.6 G's though and I believe it would take about that to keep up with a bike that by design has a good deal more room to move around on a road. On a track... yeah, I think that car would take an XB, but ONLY if it were able to use it's race slicks. I've driven a white (read un-sponsored) tube frame 911 at Brainerd and yeah, race cars are capable of a great deal more than your average Joe can understand. Just like liter bike acceleration. WRT a stock floor plan in THAT mustang... It looks to have a roll cage. That completely throws the uni-body out the window. I'm sure that car is plenty stiff, but I don't think it'll pull enough G's w/ street legal tires to keep up with a bike in a canyon. Judging from the static camber on the rear it looks like the stick axle may have been thrown out too. If not, it's been rebuilt to add camber. If he went that far he "probably" slapped a four link in there as well... I'm still not so sure that it'll pull enough G' to overcome the fact that he need to turn sharper... Dana... Does your friend post at www.Corner-Carvers.com ? It's kind of the Badweb and then some for Mustang race cars. They typically go for the older body styles, but a lot of them run the F bodies too. I know a guy who runs a 71 Mach that's somewhat competitive w/ SCCA TA cars. It CAN be done . There's not really much 71 Mach left though .  | ||
| Dana P. |
Vaxb the car used to be a state trooper car once upon a time. Eexb the car weighs in at 2700 lbs.Does it have the stock firewall....yes.Does it have the fender walls...no those are towers your looking at.Does it have the stock body panels...just the doors (whats left of them).Theres alot of money to win...Give him the money for the upkeep of the car and time and he'll oblige.Does it have a stock floor pan...No.Your questions are hopefully answered. M1 you are correct it has a 4 link in back.Look at the photo I post looking through the back window of the shock that is attached to the rearend and then to the cage.BTW I really don't know if he posts on that forum you mentioned or not.He's really a to himself kinda guy.Check the photos out I took today at a outdoor show. | ||
| Dana P. |
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| Jlnance |
Most of the time it comes down to who knows how the hell to drive and who doesnt. A good argument that the best performance mod for your bike is a track day.  Someone posted a story on this board once about riding down the road on their Buell with a Gold Wing following them. They decided to turn off on a twisty to loose the Wing. But he couldn't shake the it. Stopped to talk to the guy at the next stop sign, and it turned out the Wing rider used to race Buells. | ||
| Eexb |
".Does it have the fender walls...no those are towers your looking at.Does it have the stock body panels...just the doors (whats left of them).Theres alot of money to win...Give him the money for the upkeep of the car and time and he'll oblige.Does it have a stock floor pan...No" Apparently you and I are NOT looking at the same pictures (you posted). I see stock inner fender panels, stock floor, stock inner door panels, glass, trim, headlights, bumpers, etc etc etc, and oh yeah - spotlights. 300 feet of rollcage, injectors, 4 link and etc does NOT guarantee lap times or the ability to win a race. There's a BIG difference between bench racing and REAL racing. I could be convinced by race results showing finishing position and lap times, AND a dyno sheet, but my guess is, neither of those exist. What's your buddy's name - I know 2 dozen road racers in the Chicago area who have or are racing at RA, (myself included) if he races at Elkhart, I'll bet we know him and his car ................. EE | ||
| Dana P. |
Like I said the car has been out there a couple handfull of times thats it.The fllor pan not stock sorry your vision isn't that good.Tell ya what you come to homecoming next year.I'll arrange a meeting between you two.You will eat your words.The bumpers are part of the body work of the car what do you think is underneath them know it all.Spot lights???I already said why they are still there.If I could produce the numbers on paper for the car I would.Its been Dyno'd several times to get the injection right I know.Race cars aren't suppose to have light???I know plenty that do.Yes it has stock glass so what so do many race cars.Do you know who Mark Ulinski is??? | ||
| Cajunrph |
What was the title of the thread?  | ||
| Wind_eater |
2 kids fighting on the playground? | ||
| Dana P. |
Yeah lets get back to that.I don't need to talk to Emery anylonger.Just one thing though Emery...invest in some riding boots.Those shiny toe'd cowboy boots ain't cutt'n it. | ||
| Rocketman |
No way any off-the-lot sports car can hang with a sport bike in the twisty stuff. Not even close. Blake should not that be..............................No way any American off-the-lot sports car can hang with a sport bike in the twisty stuff.................old bean ???????? Rocket | ||
| Patrickh |
I'm sure someone out there has the back issue of Motorcyclist (2003?) that ran a comparison between a GSXR and Corvette. Gixxer outperformed the vette in every way with the exception of acceleration after 140mph. The suzuki even out-braked the corvette (much to my suprise.) |
