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Cro13
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Shot_Gun,
It might be just as long for you, I don't know where your coming from.
Crossroads H/D-Buell Just south of Allentown on route 309, has two not spoken for one blue one white.
If you decide to check them out be ready for the sales guys to try to steer you to a sportster.
Carter
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Davegess
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Peter, that is an amasing photo! I didn't think you could drag an elbow unless you were on a 250 GP bike.
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Matty
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Xgecko, the firebolt pistons are very different! Same size yes, but as soon as i figure how to post photos I'll show you the piston top and combustion chamber. These are photos I snapped at the dealer show last July. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd make a site for y'all - lots of good stuff, too little time.
pistontop.jpg
cylinderhead.jpg
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Matty
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

D'oh - they're a little big, but that shows the differences!
The factory boys say this works much better than the t-storm head.
I hope someone(nallinnallinnallin)is working on a big bore piston to mach the new combustion chamber - that's the only snag preventing us from going 1250!
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Cro13
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Matty,
Did you get my E-mail?
If not try CSMITH@AHSPA.NET
I'm looking for XB part numbers.
Carter
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Shot_Gun
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Carter, I'm just across the river from Bristol. 5 miles north of the Burlington bristol bridge. I checked World Class HD/Buell in Hamilton but they don't have anything except a Blast. "Brians" isn't sure when their going to get more. Retail units are getting priority. I'll find one some where.
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Court
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Carter:

Word I have is that XB Parts Manuals are out and Service Manuals aren't far behind......

Let me know if you need part numbers.

Court


Quote:

Owner's manuals and parts catalogs are available, service manuals are on H-D Net, but hard copies have not yet been shipped.


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Peter
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Davegess
PPiA
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Warp2
Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Will a 3-13/16 piston fit in the Firebolt's cases without some work?
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just spoke to a dealer. Three Firebolts are on the way, all are pre-sold. Interesting to me, is the folks who are buying them. No Buell trades to date. All "cross over". All Buell trades in the last year have been "back to Harley".

Firebolt is on e roll !

Court
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Interesting to me, is the folks who are buying them. No Buell trades to date. All "cross over". "

And, this, to me, will be the determining factor for if/when we will see a non-HD focused dealership in the USA for Buells, or the appearance of new Buells in a multi-marque dealership with full Authorized Service Center corporate approval.

I'm thinking, give it 18 months and there will be a multi-marque dealership open in the States. Hmmm, I wonder where it will be,... hmmm.....
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Buellzebub
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i think one of the big reasons that the buell crowd isn't trading in on the new model is the "i want to ride it before i decide crowd", another factor could very well be the soft trade in value of the old models.
also, there is no incentive to trade them in.

i'm waiting til i know what is available in regards to aftermarket support, high performance parts, future plans, etc., before i commit.

lightnin ride tommorrow, should know by the end of the day if i like em or not.
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Jim_M
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Haven't seen this posted yet...

Courtesy of the Cycle World Boards (from Bike magazine on the XB9R):

* Despite worries of headshake from the 21-degree rake, the front end is very well-behaved. Keeping weight low and forward (52% of weight on front wheel) prevents any headshake.
* "Set up for the track, the fully adjustable Showa front forks and Showa rear shock iron out any surface imperfections to give a smooth ride. Allied to the sharp handling and rigid chassis, there's no sloppiness from the bike, yet enough of a safety margin built in to accomodate an undeservedly high level of hamfistedness from the rider."
* "Limited town riding thows up a few opportunities to confuse the fuel injection, which remains smooth and unfazed by my interminable twitchiness riding cobbled streets while rounding donkey carts."
* "And the gearbox is smooth, without requring the same degree of ankle musculature as, say, an M2 Cyclone."
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Spiderman
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why do they have to knock my M2 thoes bastards, well they allready have a power commander out and talks of a race kit soon, i like how they uped it to a 2003 so everyone who had the Buell buy back with the blast couldn't get one, kinda screwed up if you ask me ah well. I think the bike is awsome and rides great but i aint gonna trade up my M2 anytime soon.
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Jima4media
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mikej wrote:

"And, this, to me, will be the determining factor for if/when we will see a non-HD focused dealership in the USA for Buells, or the appearance of new Buells in a multi-marque dealership with full Authorized Service Center corporate approval.

I'm thinking, give it 18 months and there will be a multi-marque dealership open in the States. Hmmm, I wonder where it will be,... hmmm....."

You mean other than Modesto Ducati/Buell/Gas Gas right?

Jim
X-2.5
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No, I mean as in a dealership that does not also own/operate a Harley-franchise as well.

If Modesto were to drop their H-D line and were allowed to keep their Buell certification, then, yes, just like them. And hopefully they would be the model other shops should work to emulate.

Hmmm, maybe Modesto should expand to someplace, like, oh, maybe Arizona perhaps, and open a sans-HD shop, that might be an interesting experiment.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We don't need to have exclusive Buell shops. Just shops like Modesto where they seperate the Buells from the Chrome Brigade including the parts and service dept. By still having the HD part they always will have good cash flow and allows them to invest more into the Buell side of the house.

Austin HD/Buell/Ducatti is a good example as well but their service dept is still HD and not very Buell savy
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"... and not very Buell savy"

Then they're not a good example, are they. Point made though.
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Raymaines
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Never been there, don't really know, but I'll bet their parts department isn't very Buell savy either.
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Oldman
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

at least i have a mechanis who drags on his own time and money, who welcomes the chance to work on buells and hop em up. so only time will tell with the dealer here. and i did think for 1 minute to trade in my m2l for the xb but i'll just wait to pay the m2 off or win the xb on the 20th.
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Superbad
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just got my Tail bag today. It fits perfectly and is going to be very helpful around town, and on trips. It goes over the rear seat and seems quite secure.
Bobby
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Two_Buells
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

anyone prices out the body work for a XB9R yet?
I'd like to get a extra set and paint it black like my other TwoBuells.
Court, I'm not trading and this will be the 5th Buell purchased since 4/96 and 11th motor co purchase since 1993.......but I am a crossover from H-D
I'm picking it up tomorrow....can't wait
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Hoser
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here it is fella's , what you bin waitin for, ......


XB9R-Baseline

Jeff
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Superbad
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A little lower than I was expecting. Especially the torque curve. It feels alot stronger around 2-4000 than the dyno shows. I also expected more HP before 4500 RPM. Well I still love the bike I was guessing around 81 RWHP and a flatter spread of over 60 lb/ft of torque.
Bobby
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Kevyn
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So remind me again, what were the HP/Torque ratings for the '96 S1 Lightnings? And then two years later they were upped to what with the T-Storm...?
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S2no1
Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is that the same hole at 3.5k?

Arvel
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Cro13
Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A huge thumbs up for Buell customer service and tech. support.
They are really on top of things.
Somehow they saw my post about the battery tender and today I got a call from the service guy at my local shop with info straight from the factory.
Buell guys if you're still reading thank you!

On another note,
While talking to the guy from my dealership, he said they just got in their third XB and put it on the floor yesterday afternoon it sold last night.
They want more fast!

I took the long way in this morning and I still can't get the grin off my face. Thank you again Buell.
Carter
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anybody got an SV-650 dyno chart handy? I would like to see how it compares to the XB9R chart above.

I am going purely from memory now, but isn't that chart from a stock bolt looking like one from a pretty well worked over SV-650 (which is a fantastically fun bike to ride).

I could not care less who is producing the most power from a given displacement, I am more interested in what the overall package offers to a rider.
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M2cyclone00
Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Two Buells (who should be referred to as Three Buells), I would imagine that the body work is pretty cheap since it is surlyn. I would guess also, that they will come out with a set in black. At least I'm hoping that they do! I can't buy one now anyways & I'm also hoping for a showing of an M2 type version of the Firebolt.

Dave
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Ferris
Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks for the chart, Hoser! so i'm assuming this particular Firebolt was running the stock can, am wondering if something a little less "Franklin Stove-ish" would allow a few more foot-pounds to spin the drum?

geez, that's quite the bump in torque between 3500 and 4500, something like 10 foot-pounds? i'm guessing that when you see the tach needle approaching that spot it's time to hang on a little tighter, eh?

say Hoser, you doing SPLASH this year? i MIGHT be..................................

ride to lean,
Ferris
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