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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It just struck me that like how President G.W. Bush, by his example and stern admonishment of the public, helped to avoid race motivated hatred against Arab Americans, maybe it would be a good idea for Mr. W. G. Davidson to voice his strong support of things Buell along with his admonition to the dealers to do the same. How about a pic of W. G. riding a Buell at Daytona, instead of an HD cruiser. Maybe as a highly respected executive and icon of the mothership, W.G. could offer his enthusiastic public approval and support of things Buell. Wouldn't that go a long way towards stemming the ambilvalence of some dealerships, and help to foster proactive enthusiasm wrt things Buell? Seems to me that it might be something to at least think about.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kinda like the Gold Wing commercial featuring a full face helmet clad rider putting the big wing through its paces. Closing shot is of the leather clad rider peeling of his helmet and proclaiming "Whoa! This thing rocks!" The wing pilot is none other than Nicky Hayden, winner of the 2002 Daytona 200.
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Lsr_Bbs
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The fact is however, I hope your love of the brand and the breed of folks they’ve attracted move you to continue your support. We need the support of a diverse and vocal group of owner's to continue to yell "Do the Right Thing" to the powers that be.



Court, can I have this in writing? I'll print it on little business cars with the phrase"...see, I'm not the totall a**hole I pretend to be."

Through our differences, I am glad that you have been able to keep focus of my true intent (though I have shot off on a tangent or three).

==============
Pessism, maybe. Sorry, I feel as though I earned it. Shitty dealers, shitty experience, blah, blah, blah....My tune has lightened up as time heals all wounds.

Neil Garretson
X0.5
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Dynarider
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Even Keith Ball of Easyriders fame built a Buell for a ride out to sturgis. Bike looked good & ran great. Only problem was he ended up taking out a deer with it. If an old school chopper guy like him can ride one, so can willie G.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,

Some dealers are mad because HD has MADE them take on the Buell line as a prerequisite to financing their dealerships or their expansions/renovations. So they start off on the wrong foot with them.

Unlike HD's, Buells don't sell themselves, they require MARKETING and SALESMANSHIP, which is in short supply at most HD dealers.

Had they given Buell the twice the amount for last years VR1000 racing budget to Buell with the command "Win the Daytona 200 on a BUELL" instead of building a VROD drag bike with Vance & Hines, it would have spoken volumes about the amount of faith that HD has in the Buell design.

Once Buell wins the Daytona 200, the bikes will sell themselves. That will make the dealers, Buell, HD and the shareholders happy, and they will all sing "kumbaya" into the sunset........

P.S. didn't they just send someone in Texas to jail because they killed a person from India because they looked "Arab" after Sept. 11? I guess he didn't hear the President.....
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Another good Firebolt article from a Brittish mag, courtesty of Jay over on ATC

XB Test

It follows the same basic template of every XB test so far: Love the handling, needs more power, brakes not as strong as anticipated.

btw, 220 Kilometers per hour equals 136.702 Miles (statute) per hour
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Blacksix
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

He "claims" he was distressed about 9/11 and decided to take revenge.
Guess thats why he was shown on camera robbing the cash register.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, like those wonderful basketball fans from Maryland that use the Terps' win to start bonfires and break into a bicyle shop........
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Above article copied here for posterity. Thanks to Jay of ATC for posting and transcription of the lengthy article. It has a definite French flair to it.


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Posted by Jay on April 02, 19102 at 09:05:01 on the ATC Forum:

The following is an article from an European Moto Magizine. Enjoy:

Moto Journal 14/03/02

First test: Buell XB9R, The Clever Toy



Erik's Dream
Futuristic chassis, concept of the 3rd millennium, the Buell Firebolt is in fact 15 years old in Erik's mind, its creator. A refreshing and fantastic toy.


"There's a trick!" would have said Houdini. "It will never work! And if it was possible, then the Japanese would have done it!" said the most sceptical at the Paris show.

It is true that with a 1320mm wheelbase, 21 degrees fork rake and an 88mm trail, one can question the road holding of the new Buell Firebolt. No production bike is that short (1380 for the tiny R6) nor has such a stiff front end (23 degrees / 81 mm for the R6). That's it…and why not the fuel in the frame, the oil in the swingarm and an inside out front brake disc? Well…actually, they dared to do it at Buell. And even if the engine is still located between the front and the rear wheel, this bike is a real revolution in the production world.

You try too hard!
On the paper, we immediately imagine a bike too nervous, sensitive to tank slapping and unstable. But it works. Even better, the Firebolt is the most enjoyable bike I had to ride for a long time.
It's a toy, delicious, predictable, fun and safe, should it be for a novice or experienced rider. After 2 hours spent riding round the Valencia racetrack, I still cannot believe it! Nothing can remove this grin on my face in each curve. Quick, you've got to organise a Firebolt series. And the programme should include a 24 hours endurance race where each rider has to ride for 12 hours in a row.

Because with a 175kg and its microscopic size, one could ride it round for ages without getting tired thanks to the chassis.

Be a good boy first
My comments to Erik Buell make him laugh. Cos for him, this has nothing to do with magic! Just the achievement of a 15 years old dream.

Achievement of a concept he has in mind since he started racing in the US championship. As he can remember riding this Erv Kanemoto's prototype: "A tuned bike with the TZ750 4 cylinder engine with a radical chassis. Very efficient for the ones able to ride and make the best out of it." Or these old memories of the Daytona endurance race: "Where they put fuel in the tank but it takes several laps before you can get to your former pace. All for a few litres that weigh 50kg on the front end." That's Erik: Instead of racing, he thinks. That's how he started to build his own motorcycles. The first was: "a square Barton four cylinder 2 stroke in a special chassis I intended to sell…I finish the bike and the AMA changes the rules for the following season. My bike wasn't belonging to any series anymore, I sold only one and lost everything, house included." Erik knows what failure costs and left racing to start to work on naked bikes.

Since then, Harley bought 98% of Buell. To get there, he had to well behave, and grow his name, brand and products. "I even built the blast for Harley so I could finally follow my idea: The Firebolt". So this bike, he had it under his skin for a long time. It's a creation of his brain. A very tiny sport bike, with character, easy but also technically amazing. But even more magic is the fact that from the first wheel spins, the bike becomes an extension of your body.

A 250? No, a 125!
Too often used, this saying isn't as powerful as it used to be. But, on the Buell, you feel like you're on a 250 GP bike. This is not all by chance: 1320mm wheelbase is the wheelbase of a 250GP bike. Everything is in place so you just get into the bike. The front end is…fast, as we could expect. Fast and agile, but mostly reassuring, being glued to the tarmac. The feedback, in terms of grip, is perfect. So easy to lean, you get your knee down long before you reach the apex. Boosted by this sensation, I go faster only to find that the cornering speed is phenomenal. You glide on the rumble stripe from the tip of your knee slider. Exiting the bends, the 92 bhp of the 45 degrees V-twin are delivered very smoothly! Th belt drive, equipped with an idler pulley, is perfect; As is the fuel injection: No lash, all smooth. On the other hand, the gearbox is still very slow and sometimes the gears don't fully engage. When used to it, the twin is a bit frustrating on the track.

You're flirting with the 7000 rpm to shift up gear losing 800rpm to reach 7000rpm again, losing the essential mid-range sensations. However, this behaviour enables you to thrash the throttle earlier without any fear of the rear tyre losing grip. And there, after a few laps, it's THE REVELATION. No, the Buell is not a 250 GP….but a 125. Better, a go kart. Because the power isn't overwhelming, you have to calculate and optimise your bends entries to maintain a good cornering speed, focusing on your exiting speed.

You have to rethink the track and the line. Riding becomes a major art, a constant balance. Lap after lap, the circuit becomes less boring. The bike is well cranked over and the ground clearance seems boundless. As are the changes of line. Should it be because you're an average rider willing to modify his line or to suddenly overtake the slower guy. The grip of the Dunlop D207 is so phenomenal that you can't help but push even further, leaving you wondering if you're not going a bit too far, being so confident. I've even forgotten about the possible bad reactions of the chassis as they aren't any. In the long straight line of Valencia, the chassis is perfectly stable. Going wide on the rumble strip, full throttle, didn't imply any tank slapping. The achieved balance is perfect…but for 3 points. Strangely, if the Buell is fast to pick up the line, it needs a bit of effort on the handlebar to change its line and it is not as easy as an R6 for example (probably the weight and inertia of the V-Twin). The inside out brake isn't better than a double disc set, and we've noticed huge discrepancies between the different bikes tested. Sometimes with a good bite and consistency, the braking could become weak and inconsistent on a different bike. Finally, the Firebolt is very sensitive to suspension adjustments (Buell hands out a chart with all the different settings for the different riders and riding conditions).

A sensitivity due to such a tiny motorcycle. But also to the front forks being so stiff (21 degrees), meaning the engineers had to work on the internal components and frictions to avoid the front end freezing on bumps. That's why it is so sensitive. Vance Strader, the young chassis engineer admits: "When we contacted Showa for suspension, they said they had never worked on a similar bike. Nobody used the same measures. We had to develop special parts and internal assemblies." Result: The suspension are perfect, very sensitive to the settings but they need a good knowledge. But the whole thing is mind-blowing.

I want some road
On the road, the Firebolt is a comfortable sport bike. The seat height is accessible, the clip ons mean putting a reasonable amount of weight on your wrists and the suspension/seat combination is even comfortable. The windshield is good up to 150 km/h. Only your legs are too bent and this is where you get tired at the end of the day.

On the other hand, I've struggled to find the sensations I had on the previous day on the track. Most of this pleasure coming from your cornering speed, it takes a fast pace to get this again on the road. And also, the tyre pressure was too high to start with, the front forks pre-load was too high and the hydraulic setting too slow. All day long, we've tried to find each other to get the same perfect feeling again. Until I found THE good setting.

Becoming more agile due to the settings, the Firebolt invited me to push it further, enjoying its incredibly precise front end, the perfect work of the suspension, even on imperfect tarmac. So, I took it easy, jumping from one bend to another to play this perfect score again and again. You discover the Firebolt while you evolve. Caution, I am not saying you cannot ride it sitting in a very straight position, gently using the torque. But it becomes a toy only when you push it to its limits. Project yourself on a twisty mountain road with your mates trying to ride their big four cylinders when you just surf on the tarmac, playing with the torque, low-end grunt of the twin and the absolute efficiency of your tiny 250…Oops, your Buell. Talking about the powertrain, the twin is supple, rolling on at 2000rpm (60 km/h on the 5th gear) with nice vibrations stamped Harley. It's sad that at 3000rpm, there is a power drop (ECM mapping for the homologation) the engine struggles to get out of. It's then very nice until 6500rpm. Nice, it's the word, because we could have expected more grunt and attitude. It is actually the only compromise on this bike. Why didn't they use the typically Buell 1203cc long stroke instead of the 984cc? "Because a lot of customers coming from the in-line 4 ride the 1203cc at 6000rpm which the engine doesn't really appreciate. Doing so, they don't really understand the engine and misjudge the bike. The Firebolt is a sportbike AND a bike meant to attract new customers, so we've chosen a medium size to get more revs and have a wider spread of power." honestly says Jean-Luc Mars, from Buell US. OK, the Firebolt revs up nicely and its maximum speed is 213 km/h (220 km/h @ 7400rpm at the red line). But the bike loses, from my point of view, some of its soul, even if the brand new 980cc still is a V twin with character.

Buell reaches the moon
But apart from this small engine compromise, the Firebolt merits from not responding to any commercial logic or to any sales volume mind set. It is the true achievement of a dream. Nowadays, which manufacturer follows its dreams? The Firebolt is also the reality of a concept that has been haunting the Japanese engineers for ages. The concept of a real sport bike, simple and full of character, based on the pleasure, the emotion and not on the 200 bhp performance. Yamaha tried several times with the SRX or SZR, both featuring a 600cc single cylinder. Erik Buell went miles further. This bike is a big kick is the consensual production. Bear in mind it's the living expression of a dream some of us share; Buell conducted a market survey in Europe to know what the sportbikes riders dream of. Responses were about tuned bikes seen here and there; About bikes equipped with super light trellis chassis, with single or twin engines. Often, the Sound of Singles series was mentioned. To answer such desires means taking big risks nowadays.

A gamble!
Buell tried, will the customers follow? This bike is different. Will you understand it, seeing more than its controversial look? My only hope is that I've convinced you because this bike is so magic. And it really doesn't matter if for once we don't talk about price to conclude.

Plus
- Concept clever, innovating technology, fun bike
- Size tiny
- Chassis flickable and rigid

Minus
- Gearbox still too slow
- Suspension setting the bike is very sensitive and you have to be knowledgeable
- Engine slightly more character would have been perfect

To bear in mind
- Size of a 250GP bike with a V-twin, Erik Buell dreamt about it. He added technology with fuel in the frame, oil in the swingarm.
- On track, the cornering speed is amazing. A toy easy and efficient, even if the gearbox remains slow and the engine is frustrating on a track.
- On the road, it takes more time to discover the Firebolt and you have to look at the suspension setting to which she is sensitive. But the concept of this simple mini sport bike, easy to access, fun and full of character remains intact.
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Rick_A
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 01:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That makes me wonder...a Buell single built along the same lines...the Super Blast...a 125 sized street single. A boy can dream.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just posted this on the ATC board and will cross post here to avoid retyping......

Message Added: Those elusive facts.........
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Name: Courtney Canfield
E-Mail: CLCanfield@aol.com
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seem to never prevent an opinion from being formed and broadcast.

I'll not take the individual points to task, but will say:

I've been riding Buells for 15 years, know LOTS of the folks who have designed, engineered, testing (and ARE Testing) and manufacturing this bike.

The Buell XB9R Firebolt will represent the best that Buell has ever brought to the market. Period.

The folks at Buell have incredible resolve to do this right from handling to marketing. Please don't doubt their hearts, intent and the love that has gone into this project.

The Firebolt represents not only a new Motorcycle, but new thinking. A number of the production processes are firsts, as well. You'll find almost no air tools on the Firebolt line and the "torque checks" of the past have been obviated, giving way to new processes, methods and uniform procedures to insure CONSISTENT quality.

Buell is not only bringing a motorcycle to market, but a program. The folks at Buell have listened. There are folks working 14 hour days on support programs related to the Firebolt. You talked, Buell listened.

The motorcycle represents just a SINGLE component of what you and I have asked Buell to do and what they are doing.

In the world or stritcly anecdotal, purely subjective stuff, I'm pleased to tell you that I know more Buell employees (including several former employees...2 with another motorcycle manufacturer) have PERSONAL Firebolts on order.

I expect great things from the Firebolt and from the dedicated ELVES at Buell. But, like my Momther's Pecan Pie, I know better than to demand my portion before it's ready.

This bike, I have maintained from the outset, should be released when Erik Buell says it's damn good and ready. One of the things, just guessing here, that may slow the process is that, frankly, durability testing procedures have evolved tremendously. Trust me, at least one recall would have never been known about had it not been for some pretty sophisticated testing and detection. Buell is painfully aware of situation that you could never replicate on the street, but nonetheless adheres to them.

I want a motorcycle that is designed and built by folks who love motorcycles as much as I do. I want it when they say it's ready....and frankly, I'm kinda enjoying the ones they've given me in the past while I wait.

Just my opinion.

Courtney Canfield
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Davegess
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court, well said.

BTW the OFFICIAL PUBLIC (not what they have told dealers privatly) Buell statement on when the Firebolt is to be delivered to dealers and the public has not changed.

"The Firebolt will be delivered when it is ready"

Dave
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S320002
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

José Quiñones,

Try spending as much time on the positive things as you do on the negative things. It makes life more enjoyable for you and those around you.

Greg !!!
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Buelliedan
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does anybody know if the Firebolt giveaway contest is still a go on the 27th? Buell.com still is showing it and I want to put my wifes and my name in the box!!!
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Eeeeek
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dave,

I seldom argue with you; however, that's simple symantecs there. Sure, the "Official Public" date has been it will be out when ready. I, being part of the "Official Public," picked up an add that said go to a Buell dealer on the 27th to sign up for the Firebolt giveaway and I. like other people, assumed there would be something magical about that date, like a Firebolt at the Dealership.

Sure, they have never released an official date to the public and I fear they are startign to loose momentum now. As someone else pointed out, the lil' bolt and the VROD were introduced on the same day...

The weather's getting warmer and the season's upon us. I vividly remember the great recall of '99 when I purchased my X1 and literally had to wait six weeks before I could pick it up. One more week and I would have canceled my order and picked up a Triumph and the only reason I made it six weeks is I kept getting told "one more week" and my dealer let me take out my bike on "extended" test rides. I already know of two people who has canceled his lil' bolt order and picked up another bike.

Should the bike be delayed if there is a problem? Hell yes! Should BMC let the public know why? Not my place, but if they don't release information, information will release itself (a fancy way of saying rumors wil fly).

Doesn't make much difference to me; I don't have an order in for a lil' bolt anyway. I've already been a beta tester.

Vik
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Cro13
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know that this isn't shocking news but I was still hoping.
It's for sure now the sales guy at the local shop just called and left a message with my wife.
The Firebolt I have a deposit on will NOT be in on or around the 27th.
According to Bob(sales guy) they don't know what to do on the 27th since it has been so widely advertised.

H.Carter
97 S3
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Davegess
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Vik, you are correct, it is symantics.

Cro13, I am willing to bet (a very small sum of course) that at least 1 bike will be at each dealer on the 27th. Well maybe not in California.

I think that Buell will manage to get bikes to the dealers by the 27th. It will not be in the numbers that they had wanted but it will be some bikes.

Dave
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Cro13
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hope your right Dave.
After talking to Bob I'm not sure that I would make that bet.
On the other hand I can honestly say I love my bike So I'm not in any hurry.
Although if only for the Buell company reputation I hope your right.

H.Carter
97 S3
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Seems strange that if the C.A.R.B. is really keeping the XB9R from being delivered to CA dealerships, why should that impact the rest of the nation/world? I guess maybe if changes are to be made Buell want to make them accross the board?

I sure would like to know what the C.A.R.B. point of contention is. Someone mentioned elsewhere that they wondered if something shady was afoot. Is there anyone here who can find out if C.A.R.B. is indeed the cause of the delay, and if so the specific reason?
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

C.A.R.B. is your basic totalitarian buearocratic agency with total authority and autonomy in what they do and how they do it. Even if they approve something one week, they can change their minds next week. If one approver gives the go ahead, another one can over-ride it. I don't know what the specific XB issues are, but am not at all surprised that C.A.R.B. is involved with the issue.
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I haven't heard anything about this rumor. I suspect there is little or no truth to it.
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Keep in mind the complexity of a system like this and the difficulties in getting something like this off the ground.

If a supplier who promised he could make washers for the license plate brackets finds that he can't get magnesium as quickly as he anticipated, his shipment is delayed and the whole bike is delayed. For this simple example, one could say "find another source for the washer", and that may happen, but working out those details on each of thousands of parts can cause unanticipated delays. It doesn't mean anything is wrong, and it doesn't mean gremlins are gumming up the works.

BMC is too busy putting a bike together to worry about the rumors that are flying around on message boards that are only read by nuts like us.
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Blastin
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Blast meets C.A.R.B requirements. Actually if I recall correctly it not only meets them it beats them by about 30%. I believe I read that on gazette9.com a while back.

I don't know all the specifics if the Blast motor came out of the Firebolt motor or the other way around. Either way I can't believe that the motor was designed without the emission limits in mind. I am more apt to believe that there is some sort of technicality glitch with C.A.R.B. than there is an actual problem with the bike.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sounds like the lecture I gave last year about "you can't ship 99.94% of a motorcycle"

To the good folks at Buell.....breath deep, concentrate and focus. There are thousands of folks cheering you on.

Court
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Blastin
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here is the link Blast California emissions


Quote:

g9: Won't water-cooling and fuel injection eventually be needed to meet emissions limits?




Eric Buell:
The air-cooled engine seems to be fine. Again, the emissions tests are a true measure of what everyday life is like, the way the governments have set
them up, so they measure start-up and all these kind of things...to get the vaporization of fuel to get clean burn, you need a warm combustion chamber.
Particularly in cold start...we were gonna build a bike that people were gonna use for transportation, for jumping around the city. We expect a lot of
short trips, and in fact most motorcycle use is for a lot of short trips. Air-cooled engines heat up almost instantly. Whereas in a water-cooled engine
you've got to heat all that water up before the temperature stabilizes. The big deal is, the fuel dumps into the cylinder, is it truly vaporized yet or not -
and oh by the way, I've got a choke on, so I'm dumping in extra fuel. An air-cooled motor just kills water-cooleds in the first bag of the three-bag test.
The first bag is the start-up bag.

That bike right there, the Blast...our average emissions, and I'm just taking an average number - if you just take hydrocarbons, CO (carbon monoxide),
and NOx (nitrogen oxides), the three key ingredients, averaged together, we're under 30% of the California standard. Less than 30%.
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blastin,

Don't forget the other possibility that the rumor has no basis in fact.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone heard that his buddy took his X1 for inspection and couldn't pass emissions. That became translated to "Buell can't pass emissions" and eventually evolved to some nonsense about a truck being stopped at the border by C.A.R.B.
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Eeeeek
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We are our own worst enemies, aren't we? If I hadn't read about a "rumor" here, I wouldn't have cared. I suspect that 99.9% of the public hasn't heard anyting about lil' bolts being delayed.

Vik
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Jim_M
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So long as the dealers have at least one Firebolt for 4/27...I've seen lots of ads for the past two months hyping the Slay the Dragon contest.

I wonder if we will see a G4 iMac like supply and demand situation here?
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Dynarider
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Vik, I suspect that 99.9% of the public has never even heard of Buell at all.
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Blastin
Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anonymous
Your probably not far from the truth, and I agree with you.

I was just trying to point out that the bike would not have gotten this far if it was not able to pass emissions standards. There are too many smart people at Buell to not have those emission limits factored into the design of the motor.

For all we know,(which isn't that much) it could just be the caps on the tire valves are on backorder.:)
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