| Author | Message | ||
     Wheelsleaning |
This is my latest attempt to direct the deafening effect away from my helmet. Still not working. It's an aluminum tube I cut, bent, welded, smoothed, and painted. I don't want to have to put ear plugs in everytime I ride, and want to be able to listen to MP3 tunes. And don't want to gain the weight of other cans. It seems the Jardine makes the perfect frequecy to echo in my helmet, which creates some serious ringing in my ears. I was thinking make a mini jardine in the extension. Some swiss cheese tube with packing around it in the extension. Any suggestions?  | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
I have a long weekend ride coming up in a week. If I can't get this thing to change its tone, I won't go. It's that bad.  | ||
| Holling |
I just rode to myrtle beach last weekend from charlotte. I have the same muffler on mine. I wore plugs. Around town the noise does not bother me. In fact I love the deep sound. Sorry, no real solution except go back to the stock muffler. | ||
| Bristolxb |
Try the quiet insert for the Jardine, see if it that tones it down some.(£25 Uk) Should take it away enough not to miss a weekend away. | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
I've heard that it kills top end power. | ||
| Bristolxb |
Yes i heard it does pull a bit out but where i'm not sure(stick with mine LOUD). I would still give it a shoot and a go round the block. Also cheapest way of not missing a good weekend ride. Theres always ebay if you don't like it! | ||
| Cyko_bob |
If you want to keep the Jardine think I would experiment with the insert...cut it out to a bigger diameter, etc. Someone on the board did that awhile back. Might be able to find in on a search...did a good job on it. Plus you could take it out when you got to your destination. Cyko | ||
| Captainplanet |
I'll say it one last time. The quiet insert doesn't hurt the power enough to matter in day to day riding. It cuts down dramatically on the noise. Unless you ride at the red line of your engine all the time, you won't notice the difference. It is real easy to remove if you need that extra 1 or 2 hp on the top end on a special day, eg. racing, track, etc. I thought I might want to take my quiet insert out sometimes, but now the only reason I can think I would want to do it, is if I just want to be loud. | ||
| Tomzweifel |
Crazy question, but did you think of replacing your helmet? Arai helmets are the quietest there are, it might make a big difference in your riding experience. | ||
| Elyaswolffxb9s |
where can you find the insert? Jardiene does not list it on their site. | ||
| Signguy |
http://jardine.rideshop.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=3_25_33_53 | ||
| Xbolt12 |
"It is real easy to remove" Wow, I wish that was my experience! Mine is all scraped up from trying to get it out for over an hour with various tools. Also my bike ran noticeably weaker than stock even in mid-range with it in, and certainly on the top-end. xbolt12 | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
Tomz: I went from a HJC to an Icon Rubatone, no difference. Can't dish out any more $$$ for another one. | ||
| Rr_eater |
CEP's, they are the only way to go if you want quiet and tunes. Look or search for Odie's posts or mine, you wil love them, I do!! D&D sounds like a stocker with them on!! http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/113694.html Bruce | ||
| Tomzweifel |
RR-eater - where did you manage to buy CEP's, or is the xxx Avn Bn out a pair? | ||
| Djkaplan |
You know..., the stock muffler works pretty good. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
"You know..., the stock muffler works pretty good" Good point, the only problem is that after you have felt how flickable the bike gets with 16 less pounds down there it is really hard to go back. I'll probably just buy a complete exhaust if we ever see a quieter Beson or a good Ti system (I was hoping to see some Dynos). xbolt12 | ||
| Fullpower |
yes the stock muffler is quiet, but it is a HUGE LUMP OF STEEL. what the heck are they thinking? 20 POUNDS of STEEL??? the frame is aluminum, the lightest wheels in the business, and they hung a 20 pound steel muffler under there??? with an electric servo motor? madness. oh yes i love my XB12, the best touring bike i have ever seen. and the drummer has a nice tone. and i wear earplugs when i ride any further than ten minutes. but STEEL???? dont they make diesel bus mufflers out of that stuff? STEEL?? on a motorcycle???? hang a steel muffler on an aluminum framed motorcycle in the year 2005? | ||
| Fullpower |
oh it is a handy device to prop the bike up for tire changes, and chain lubrication. a 6 inch long board does wedge very nicely under either end of the STEEL muffler. so it does have its uses, like an almost long enough center stand. | ||
| Metalstorm |
One other benefit of a STEEL muffler. It triggers the traffic light loops pretty well. I have yet to get stuck at one of the dreaded left turn arrows. | ||
| Cwby8383 |
The placement of the muffler shouldn't affect turning very much. It should have less negative effect than a 7 or 8 pound muffler hanging under the seat or off the side like on the jap bikes. The buell muffler is right next to the axis of rotation (giving it a low mass moment of inertia). that being said, dropping 10 pounds couldn't hurt acceleration or braking. | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
Cwby: It did. I felt a difference too when I installed my Jardine, I know it doesn't make sense.   | ||
| Briz31 |
It was me... Jardine Insert, made my own with a bigger I.D. takes the top off the sound but doesn't kill your top end. send me your email and will forward a couple of photos. Cheers. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
"I know it doesn't make sense" Sure it makes sense-for all the talk about low cg, think about it-the muffler is essentially a counter weight hanging below the bike. While it may help mid-corner stability, it certainly doesn't make it easier to turn. Also most bikes that have an upswept pipe also are using light weight stainless tubing and aluminum cans, not steel (some are even using Ti from the factory now). | ||
| Metalstorm |
Thank you for that Xbolt12. I've always wondered about that. You've painted a pretty clear picture with the counter weight description. I reckon you wouldn't be giving up too much mid-corner stability with a lighter pipe otherwise no one would be changing over. You guys are making it really freak'n hard to resist the urge to get a pipe.  | ||
| Xbolt12 |
I'll be the first one to admit that Jardine has some workmanship issues though. American Sport Bike has been very supportive, but for some reason the guys at Jardine seem to think that a loose fit on the mounting strap is just fine. It's not. I think the problem may be that they only use one strap for all the cans and I'm willing to bet that the aluminum can has a greater wall thickness than my Ti can-which would explain the sloppy fit. I finally just glued the old rubber gasket to the strap and then put a new one over the top and now it fits snug and I have less vibration in the bars. Also they don't do a very good job at building brackets that fit. I guess when you are used to making headers for cars, you don't have to make the jigs as accurate. All said though, it's still a great pipe for the price. xbolt12 | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
Aluminum Jardine here and I had to add a tension bolt just under the bolt holding the strap to the bike. It does a great job of keeping the can tight. I'll be trying the Jardine insert but bored out. Seems most of us on here have had better luck with that. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
Let us know how it works. I may take mine down to a machine shop if it works out well. | ||
| Diablobrian |
ever try one of those lycra things that attatches to the bottom of your helmet to keep noise out? They called them quiet-rider or something like that. The Sport touring guys may know something about these. | ||
| Nick |
I had plugs, 'lycra thing', jacket with high neck (cuts all wind noise). But the Jardine still caused me pain! Even through some plugs designed to totally block noise, the pressure waves still got through. It was just way too much. I have a stock XB12 now and I plan to keep it pretty much that way. The (relatively) small increases in power from modding it to death is not appealing anymore, I'd rather just go out and buy a faster bike - if that's a Buell (and I just did trade up from a 9) then FANTASTIC! |
